Magic Johnson Calls Kristaps Porzingis ‘Steal’ Of 2015 NBA Draft

Magic Johnson is never one to shy away from speaking his mind regardless of the criticism that might head his way. The Hall of Famer made a bold statement on Sunday after sitting courtside at Madison Square Garden to watch the Los Angeles Lakers take on the New York Knicks.

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Apparently, Magic was quite impressed with rookie forward Kristaps Porzingis. Johnson took to Twitter following the Knicks win over the Lakers to give Phil Jackson some credit for drafting Porzingis with the fourth overall pick back in June.

In seven games for the Knicks thus far, Porzingis is averaging 12.3 points, 8.6 rebounds, 1.3 blocks and 1.3 steals per game. Although there’s a lot of basketball left to play, New York may have found a gem with the 20-year-old seven-footer.

Porzingis finished with a double-double against the Lakers scoring 12 points, grabbing ten rebounds and blocking two shots in the win. Lakers rookie point guard D’Angelo Russell ended up with six points and five assists to go along with three assists and three steals.

With the Lakers having the second overall pick in the 2015 NBA Draft, the franchise had the opportunity to bring in Porzingis. The Lakers brass did work out Porzingis ahead of the draft with some speculation brewing in Los Angeles that the team could consider taking him ahead of Jahlil Okafor or D’Angelo Russell.

Head coach Byron Scott spoke to the media on Saturday in New York about what the Lakers thought about Porzingis after working him out. Coach Scott says Porzingis did some good things, but felt the development process would be longer than they’d like.

The Knicks and Lakers have yet to play ten games this season with Russell and Porzingis barely scratching the surface regarding their potential. Russell hasn’t progressed as quickly as Porzingis has at this point, but there’s a long way to go before either franchise knows what they truly have with their rookies.

He’s got all the tools to be great. He could really be by far the best player in this draft but we have also seen tall skinny players never really develop. Still it’s looking like a great bet by the Knicks.

  1. We’ve seen Noah and Pau develop. Noah said himself it took him years to get his body up to par. At the same time he still had respectable fresh and soph years. Pau took a few games to acclimate then busted out with a series of 20 pts 3 blocks games.
    KP is doing fine with his weight gain, at 245-250 now. If they need more, NY still has Eddy curry’s number for a weight gain trainer.

  • He’s got all the tools to be great. He could really be by far the best player in this draft but we have also seen tall skinny players never really develop. Still it’s looking like a great bet by the Knicks.

    1. We’ve seen Noah and Pau develop. Noah said himself it took him years to get his body up to par. At the same time he still had respectable fresh and soph years. Pau took a few games to acclimate then busted out with a series of 20 pts 3 blocks games.
      KP is doing fine with his weight gain, at 245-250 now. If they need more, NY still has Eddy curry’s number for a weight gain trainer.

  • I agree with Magic. To me he was the number 1 talent. I love the kid since Sevilla when he played with another good prospect Guilhermo Hernangomez.

    1. Glad to see someone else who sang KP praises from day 1. I’ve always had Towns as the #1 and Zinger #2 but knew he was never gonna be picked that high since teams are afraid especially the Lakers present front office. Trading down woulda net us some quality players. KP and jerian grant or Hollis Jefferson. Those guys with Randle, JC. That’s a core.

      With Randle here, it was considered redundant. People were afraid KP couldn’t handle the 5, but eventually he can similar to Pau. maybe Not this year (although he’s already played the 5 a few games. He did against us in stretches.) KP at the 5 and Randle at the 4 are complementary against a small ball lineup. Between an inside presence like Hibbert and Randle, there’s plenty of minutes to share between the 3. I saw no problems with the JR/KP dynamics.

      As it turns out we picked up redundancy ourselves with Russel with Clarkson as the incumbent PG.

        1. Towns is getting 3 blocks per game, 10 RPG and 15 ppg at 50% from the field. He’s doing everything Porzingis is doing, only better.

          1. That goes both ways. Porzingis could play much worse over the rest of the season.

          2. Eh, maybe but Towns is pretty much a guarantee now that he will be at least a borderline all-star through out his career if not an HOF. Porzingis is still a long way away from that and might not ever get there.

      1. Not yet, but a way better outside shot, he could be another Dirk, and he’s only #7 on the ALL TIME scoring list.

  • I agree with Magic. To me he was the number 1 talent. I love the kid since Sevilla when he played with another good prospect Guilhermo Hernangomez.

    1. Glad to see someone else who sang KP praises from day 1. I’ve always had Towns as the #1 and Zinger #2 but knew he was never gonna be picked that high since teams are afraid especially the Lakers present front office. Trading down woulda net us some quality players. KP and jerian grant or Hollis Jefferson. Those guys with Randle, JC. That’s a core.

      With Randle here, it was considered redundant. People were afraid KP couldn’t handle the 5, but eventually he can similar to Pau. maybe Not this year (although he’s already played the 5 a few games. He did against us in stretches.) KP at the 5 and Randle at the 4 are complementary against a small ball lineup. Between an inside presence like Hibbert and Randle, there’s plenty of minutes to share between the 3. I saw no problems with the JR/KP dynamics.

      As it turns out we picked up redundancy ourselves with Russel with Clarkson as the incumbent PG.

        1. Towns is getting 3 blocks per game, 10 RPG and 15 ppg at 50% from the field. He’s doing everything Porzingis is doing, only better.

          1. That goes both ways. Porzingis could play much worse over the rest of the season.

          2. Eh, maybe but Towns is pretty much a guarantee now that he will be at least a borderline all-star through out his career if not an HOF. Porzingis is still a long way away from that and might not ever get there.

      1. Not yet, but a way better outside shot, he could be another Dirk, and he’s only #7 on the ALL TIME scoring list.

    1. He’s great. And mature because he played a lot of minutes in league ACB, in Spain. D’angelo is great too, but not ready as Kristaps

          1. Yeah! I have to be honest. Porzingis will be a perenial superstar. D’angelo might be a allstar in one point of his career.
            But in the end of the day, Porzingis will impact more the NBA. He is one in 1000

          2. I wanted D’angelo. Just because i love Randle and i think he and Kristaps can’t play together

          3. Offensively it’s a good pairing. Defensively it’s not looking promising. I saw an article that looked at the defensive ratings of the nba finals team from 2002-2012 and 14 of the 20 nba finals teams has a top 5 rate defense. SInce neither Randle or Russell are projected to be very good defenders it makes me less excited about them.

          4. I definitely felt Russell wasn’t going to be an elite pg and felt the best he could be a poor man’s Ray Allen at best; at this point it’s looking more and more like it.

            I would have went with Towns, Okafor, Porzingis then Russell BUT I’ve said it many times here that this was not a point guard draft like in 2005 with C. Paul and D. Williams and prefer we trade down for multiple picks.

          5. I’m still liking Mudiay. He’s got great size and can still get to the rim against other pg. That is very intriguing in my book. Also, Winslow could really develop into a Wade level player, defensively he’s looking great offensively he has a looooong way to go. Still I thought he’d be a good gamble.

          6. That’s what everyone projects. Coach K when ask who Winslow most resembled unequivocally said Wade. The fact that he landed in Miami gives him a great chance to fulfill that potential.

          7. He has a lot of work to do offensively. He’s pretty far from Wade. Still he has a shot and drafting 19 year olds is all about potential.

    2. Wasn’t it Bargnani? Or Darko Milicic? I remember everyone was like ‘the guy is so skinny he will get destroyed in the paint’. As if the NBA is still played that way any more. Some Lakers’ fans have been watching too many re-runs of time’s passed.

      1. unfortunately, one of them is Byron. Sticking with Antiquated philosophy on talent assessment. He believed Euro=flop unconditionally without understanidng why KP is a different breed.

        1. You can still get hard??? Wow …. Good for you but better stay away from those blue pills. Not good for your heart.

    3. Yeah and idiots here were saying we should draft Russell over Okafor too. We all know how that turned

        1. 21 & 15 last night. Obvious ROY.

          Russell can’t play D, (the excuse the Russell fanboys keep giving for why they don’t like Okafor), Russell can’t penetrate unless it’s a Kardashian and he is supposed to be a great passer with great court vision but never gets any assists.

          Sure, Russell is better. Right on.

          1. At this point it is early to say definitives about 19 year olds, but I give you props for the Kardashian joke 🙂

          2. First of all – Well, 9-25 in FG’s. This is worse than old Kobe’s shooting form. 3-8 FT worse than Dwight…
            A guy who produce that poor in efficience can’t be analized for his numbers of points.
            Second – Okafor is way more ready than Russel, i’m not against that. This is a FACT. But he will be so-so in his career. Can’t be a cornerstone for a franchise who play for a ring. D’angelo has way more talent and upside.

          3. Then he needs to show it. His production has been embarrassingly bad for a 2nd pick in the draft. Like so bad it’s even worse than your grammar.

          4. He is not even close ready to play with the pro’s. I expect to see D’angelo’s game in 2016-2017 or even 2017-2018 season. He has a weak body.
            But i can wait until that. Because his talent is unbelieveble.

          5. Yes he’s undeniably great at settling for jumpshots and turning the ball over.

          6. the thing you aren’t taking into consideration is Towns is averaging 5 more rebounds with half as many turnovers as okafor. The timberwolves are also winning so if the rest of the year stays consistant with current stats towns will win because he actually on a winning team and not just contributing empty stats on a terrible team.

          7. Seriously guy i don’t like to let these conversations get personal but you are an idiot. I am not downgrading okafor at all in my post I’m am only pointing out that Towns is having in someways statistically better season and since he is playing meaningful minutes on a winning team at this point he will win ROY. Its the same scenario as Anthony Davis and MVP running he can put up crazy stats but if your not on a winning team you don’t get the same love. .

          8. I have a solid track record of well thought out posts so you can take your “idiot” comment and put it somewhere.

            You are downgrading Okafor which you have a right to…all I say is be open about it. Towns is playing well BUT so is Okafor. Gasol was playing well for years on a bad Grizzlies team. Was he not good until he got to LA?

          9. i never said anything about okafor’s skills or ability i just pointed out the fact that he will not win ROY on a terrible team if somebody puts up similar statistics on a winning team . Which is what i was debating in the first place.

          10. That’s not what you were debating at first, but I do agree with that point. It’s the same thing with MVP voting.

          11. How many 19 year old point guards have come in to the league and played lock down D, ZERO

          12. Russell got 6 steals in the last 2 games combined. Know your stats before you talk. Dumbass. Haha

      1. actually you don’t know how that turned out because we are only 6 games into the season. Careers aren’t judged in 6 game stretches in 10 years you can look back at the Pick and say we all know how that turned out.

    1. He’s great. And mature because he played a lot of minutes in league ACB, in Spain. D’angelo is great too, but not ready as Kristaps

          1. Yeah! I have to be honest. Porzingis will be a perenial superstar. D’angelo might be a allstar in one point of his career.
            But in the end of the day, Porzingis will impact more the NBA. He is one in 1000

          2. I wanted D’angelo. Just because i love Randle and i think he and Kristaps can’t play together

          3. Offensively it’s a good pairing. Defensively it’s not looking promising. I saw an article that looked at the defensive ratings of the nba finals team from 2002-2012 and 14 of the 20 nba finals teams has a top 5 rate defense. SInce neither Randle or Russell are projected to be very good defenders it makes me less excited about them.

          4. I definitely felt Russell wasn’t going to be an elite pg and felt the best he could be a poor man’s Ray Allen at best; at this point it’s looking more and more like it.

            I would have went with Towns, Okafor, Porzingis then Russell BUT I’ve said it many times here that this was not a point guard draft like in 2005 with C. Paul and D. Williams and prefer we trade down for multiple picks.

          5. I’m still liking Mudiay. He’s got great size and can still get to the rim against other pg. That is very intriguing in my book. Also, Winslow could really develop into a Wade level player, defensively he’s looking great offensively he has a looooong way to go. Still I thought he’d be a good gamble.

          6. That’s what everyone projects. Coach K when ask who Winslow most resembled unequivocally said Wade. The fact that he landed in Miami gives him a great chance to fulfill that potential.

          7. He has a lot of work to do offensively. He’s pretty far from Wade. Still he has a shot and drafting 19 year olds is all about potential.

    2. Wasn’t it Bargnani? Or Darko Milicic? I remember everyone was like ‘the guy is so skinny he will get destroyed in the paint’. As if the NBA is still played that way any more. Some Lakers’ fans have been watching too many re-runs of time’s passed.

      1. unfortunately, one of them is Byron. Sticking with Antiquated philosophy on talent assessment. He believed Euro=flop unconditionally without understanidng why KP is a different breed.

        1. You can still get hard??? Wow …. Good for you but better stay away from those blue pills. Not good for your heart.

    3. Yeah and idiots here were saying we should draft Russell over Okafor too. We all know how that turned

        1. 21 & 15 last night. Obvious ROY.

          Russell can’t play D, (the excuse the Russell fanboys keep giving for why they don’t like Okafor), Russell can’t penetrate unless it’s a Kardashian and he is supposed to be a great passer with great court vision but never gets any assists.

          Sure, Russell is better. Right on.

          1. At this point it is early to say definitives about 19 year olds, but I give you props for the Kardashian joke 🙂

          2. First of all – Well, 9-25 in FG’s. This is worse than old Kobe’s shooting form. 3-8 FT worse than Dwight…
            A guy who produce that poor in efficience can’t be analized for his numbers of points.
            Second – Okafor is way more ready than Russel, i’m not against that. This is a FACT. But he will be so-so in his career. Can’t be a cornerstone for a franchise who play for a ring. D’angelo has way more talent and upside.

          3. Then he needs to show it. His production has been embarrassingly bad for a 2nd pick in the draft. Like so bad it’s even worse than your grammar.

          4. He is not even close ready to play with the pro’s. I expect to see D’angelo’s game in 2016-2017 or even 2017-2018 season. He has a weak body.
            But i can wait until that. Because his talent is unbelieveble.

          5. Yes he’s undeniably great at settling for jumpshots and turning the ball over.

          6. the thing you aren’t taking into consideration is Towns is averaging 5 more rebounds with half as many turnovers as okafor. The timberwolves are also winning so if the rest of the year stays consistant with current stats towns will win because he actually on a winning team and not just contributing empty stats on a terrible team.

          7. Seriously guy i don’t like to let these conversations get personal but you are an idiot. I am not downgrading okafor at all in my post I’m am only pointing out that Towns is having in someways statistically better season and since he is playing meaningful minutes on a winning team at this point he will win ROY. Its the same scenario as Anthony Davis and MVP running he can put up crazy stats but if your not on a winning team you don’t get the same love. .

          8. I have a solid track record of well thought out posts so you can take your “idiot” comment and put it somewhere.

            You are downgrading Okafor which you have a right to…all I say is be open about it. Towns is playing well BUT so is Okafor. Gasol was playing well for years on a bad Grizzlies team. Was he not good until he got to LA?

          9. i never said anything about okafor’s skills or ability i just pointed out the fact that he will not win ROY on a terrible team if somebody puts up similar statistics on a winning team . Which is what i was debating in the first place.

          10. That’s not what you were debating at first, but I do agree with that point. It’s the same thing with MVP voting.

          11. How many 19 year old point guards have come in to the league and played lock down D, ZERO

          12. Russell got 6 steals in the last 2 games combined. Know your stats before you talk. Dumbass. Haha

      1. actually you don’t know how that turned out because we are only 6 games into the season. Careers aren’t judged in 6 game stretches in 10 years you can look back at the Pick and say we all know how that turned out.

          1. Just like you people are jumping on D’Angelo Russell now you would be jumping on Porzingis. Russell has to share ball handling responsibility with Bryant, Williams, Clarkson, Young, and even Randle who likes to push the fast break himself.

          2. So why draft a guy that needs the ball to be most effective at the point when you have these other ball dominant players?

          3. Because they thought they would get Aldridge, Monroe, or Deandre Jordan. It was a miscalculation by the Lakers, but now that they have Russell they should make the most out of it instead of giving up on him.

          4. Who’s given up on him? Some of you act like 6 games is the end of the season.

          5. They are calling him a bust already. I’ve even seen posts saying he needs to be sent to the d-league (which is a player graveyard). I just read an article about how D’Angelo Russell is struggling that mentions his summer league shooting and turnovers when he’s shooting much better and has a lot less turnovers than he did in summer league.

          6. You are using this sites message board as the basis for saying people are saying he is a bust? They were calling Kobe a bust at one point too…how did that work out?

          7. Definitely not just this message board. I just read an article from the NYpost that said he was “struggling” compared to Porzingis. They used his summer league play to claim he was getting too many turnovers and shooting a poor percentage from the field when his FG% is above 40% and his turnovers are minimal.

            I personally feel that Russell could be ROY if given the opportunity.

          8. It’s deceptive because Russell is playing well and they are saying he’s struggling. He’s playing efficiently on the offensive end at least.

          9. His name should not need defending. The fact that it does, does indicate some issues.

          10. I meant game…Damon acts as though Russell’s game should be defended. My point is that it shouldn’t.

          11. Oh brother, using that logic, I could say you beat your girlfriend, and since I said it , there must be some issues…

          12. Because Kobe’s gone at the end of this season, possibly sooner if there’s an injury, rumors have it, Young is heading to Memphis for draft picks, Clarkson and Russel can play together, and Randle will only bring the ball up on fast breaks when he rebounds. Williams comes off the bench.

          13. Still….with no Kobe on this team, Russell still has to compete with Randle and Clarkson for the ball.

          1. Just like you people are jumping on D’Angelo Russell now you would be jumping on Porzingis. Russell has to share ball handling responsibility with Bryant, Williams, Clarkson, Young, and even Randle who likes to push the fast break himself. The Nuggets were looking to trade off their PG as soon as the drafted Muiday. They didn’t want anything to get in the way of his development and it is paying off.

          2. So why draft a guy that needs the ball to be most effective at the point when you have these other ball dominant players?

          3. Because they thought they would get Aldridge, Monroe, or Deandre Jordan. It was a miscalculation by the Lakers, but now that they have Russell they should make the most out of it instead of giving up on him.

          4. Who’s given up on him? Some of you act like 6 games is the end of the season.

          5. They are calling him a bust already. I’ve even seen posts saying he needs to be sent to the d-league (which is a player graveyard). I just read an article about how D’Angelo Russell is struggling that mentions his summer league shooting and turnovers when he’s shooting much better and has a lot less turnovers than he did in summer league.

          6. You are using this sites message board as the basis for saying people are saying he is a bust? They were calling Kobe a bust at one point too…how did that work out?

          7. Definitely not just this message board. I just read an article from the NYpost that said he was “struggling” compared to Porzingis. They used his summer league play to claim he was getting too many turnovers and shooting a poor percentage from the field when his FG% is above 40% and his turnovers are minimal.

            I personally feel that Russell could be ROY if given the opportunity.

          8. It’s deceptive because Russell is playing well and they are saying he’s struggling. He’s playing efficiently on the offensive end at least.

          9. His name should not need defending. The fact that it does, does indicate some issues.

          10. I meant game…Damon acts as though Russell’s game should be defended. My point is that it shouldn’t.

          11. Oh brother, using that logic, I could say you beat your girlfriend, and since I said it , there must be some issues…

          12. Because Kobe’s gone at the end of this season, possibly sooner if there’s an injury, rumors have it, Young is heading to Memphis for draft picks, Clarkson and Russel can play together, and Randle will only bring the ball up on fast breaks when he rebounds. Williams comes off the bench.

          13. Still….with no Kobe on this team, Russell still has to compete with Randle and Clarkson for the ball.

  • Technically he’s not a steal considering he was a lottery pick. I think the Knicks’ other 1st round pick may end up being the steal of the draft, Jerian Grant, although old for a rookie (23) with 4 years of college, Knicks fans have already started calling for him to start over Calderon.

    The Knicks drafted well, and most importantly, they drafted players to suit their system.

      1. Hey, at least the Lakers dodged drafting the fattest, slowest 19 year old I’ve ever seen.

        1. You mean the guy who went 21 & 15 last night and will win ROY and won a Nat’l title last year? That guy? Remind me again what Russell has ever done?

          1. Nah I mean the guy who was -22 last night, gave up 10 offensive boards, and shot horribly and ended up stat padding during the one and a half quarters of garbage time. Oh yea he is 0-7. What exactly did the Lakers miss there?

          2. Yet he’s going to win ROY. Says a lot about your boy Russell huh. Your boy is even worse than a player you just said is bad. Russell has less trade value than he did at the draft and it’s only a couple weeks into the season. The same can’t be said for Okafor.

          3. No doubt, when you are permitted to take 25 percent of the entire roster’s field goal attempts, you are going to win ROY by default, not because you deserve it. So while Towns is also putting up some very good numbers, he is actually contributing to wins, same with Mudiay, All 3 have the added benefit of playing 30 plus minutes per game and much much larger roles. Okafor is shooting 49 percent, pretty much 95 percent of his shots are in the paint. Those are Robert Sacresque numbers. You give Bob 25 shots a game in his rookie year, he wins ROY by default too.

          4. You are totally underestimating what Okafor is doing. The defenses are making him priority #1 to stop and he’s commanding the double team as a rookie while still putting up big numbers. Sacre couldn’t do that now, or ever.

            If you gave Russell 25% usage and made him the focal point of opposing defenses do you really believe he’d be delivering big numbers right now?

            It’s still to early to being judging this rookies, let’s watch them play and wait till ASB. That’s when some seem to turn it on (like Clarkson).

          5. D’angelo will turn in 2 or 3 years. He’s extremely talent but too weak in terms of body

          6. Just watching Okafor and Russell though, there is no question who has more upside. Okafor is so slow and he has so many of his shots blocked due to that. He had the added benefit of facing guys in college who were midgets compared to him and that is why everyone was so big on him. As for Sacre, yea he couldn’t do that in the post, but he has that crappy short corner jumper that sometimes goes in, he could do that all game and probably make 33 percent of those shots and average about 15-20 points per game. That last game Okafor played was the first time he got big rebounding numbers, had Noah actually played, I doubt very much they’d be that high, he was averaging close to DLo’s rebounding rate before then. I think 39 year old Tim Duncan would win a foot race against Okafor, seriously I’ve never seen a slower 19 year old.

          7. Isn’t critiquing a player what they do in order to determine their value as a draft pick?

          8. Yes that is what you do. However, since the draft was months ago, shouldn’t you just be critiquing Russell…not comparing him to Okafor?

          9. it’s tough to critique Russell given the smaller sample size. Really need him to play starter minutes of at least a couple NBA games before i’d be willing to do that. Basically what I’m saying is that it’s not fair he is being treated differently from the other rookies with the green light.

          10. But aren’t you suggesting that he should be treated differently? You say he has a smaller sample size? How big is Winslow’s sample size? How big is Stein’s sample size?

            And, where does Okafor fit into an argument that Russell needs more time? Okafor doesn’t even need to be a part of our argument.

          11. He’s a 7 foot center, not every center is jumping out the gym with athleticism like Davis or DeAndre, Okafor is putting up big numbers because of his post game his foot work and touch around the rim is amazing which is why he was considered the #1 pick for a long time before Towns emerged.

          12. Why does Okafor need to be criticized just to make Russell look like a good pick? Just admit that Okafor has great potential even though Russell was the choice.

            Trying to do it the way you are is going to become more difficult as the season goes on. Okafor is going to continue to look better this year as was projected during the draft. Russell was projected look better down the road.

          13. Russell simply isn’t getting up enough shots. Not to say I agree with Bateman about Okafor. Jahlil would have been a good pick also. I just think that the Lakers can work with what they have.

          14. Dangelo hasnt shown us anything yet.
            just wait til he gets going. and shows us 100 pct of his game.
            were all going to be apologizing to him…….including me.

          15. if your such a big okafor fan go to the philly site.
            no need to come here anymore.

          1. Nance has been looking good and I thought Brown looked good when he played in preseason. Late in the draft you are looking for solid rotation players and the LAL went 2 for 2 on them. Both may end up being above average NBA starters.

            Try not to lump all the rookies together.

          2. If Brown and Nance are starters for the Lakers someday then the Lakers are going to be in last place for a long, long time.

          3. ? A Brown could be a Kris Middleton level player and Nance could be a D Green level. Your just salty.

          4. crazy you can make that assessment, when Brown has yet to see any good amount of minutes in an regular NBA season game, lets give brown time.. and If Larry can be a consistent mid range jump shooter, i think the sky is the limit for the kid.. i like those two pics.. i think Hunter was available when Larry was on board, that was an option but other then that i like them.

          1. lol just read the comments on here how we are treating D Russ. Warriors fans are not spoiled like us Laker fans..look how some act man .. its crazy

          2. Why would they be spoiled? Before Curry they haven’t been relevant since the 70s. A lot of Lakers fans are stupid and spoiled, but not all of them. The stupid spoiled ones just happen to be the loudest-hence the term ‘peanut gallery’.

          1. ..he also found Eddie Jones, Kurt Rambis, Michael Cooper, and AC Green. Everybody breaks eggs…even Emeril.

      2. and you know this after 8 games,you must see the future,what are tomorrows lottery numbers going to be genius?

    1. The Lakers didn’t do that last statement you made….”drafted players to suit their system”. The Lakers took who they felt had the best upside.

  • Technically he’s not a steal considering he was a lottery pick. I think the Knicks’ other 1st round pick may end up being the steal of the draft, Jerian Grant, although old for a rookie (23) with 4 years of college, Knicks fans have already started calling for him to start over Calderon.

    The Knicks drafted well, and most importantly, they drafted players to suit their system.

      1. Hey, at least the Lakers dodged drafting the fattest, slowest 19 year old I’ve ever seen.

        1. You mean the guy who went 21 & 15 last night and will win ROY and won a Nat’l title last year? That guy? Remind me again what Russell has ever done?

          1. Nah I mean the guy who was -22 last night, gave up 10 offensive boards, and shot horribly and ended up stat padding during the one and a half quarters of garbage time. Oh yea he is 0-7. What exactly did the Lakers miss there?

          2. Yet he’s going to win ROY. Says a lot about your boy Russell huh. Your boy is even worse than a player you just said is bad. Russell has less trade value than he did at the draft and it’s only a couple weeks into the season. The same can’t be said for Okafor.

          3. No doubt, when you are permitted to take 25 percent of the entire roster’s field goal attempts, you are going to win ROY by default, not because you deserve it. So while Towns is also putting up some very good numbers, he is actually contributing to wins, same with Mudiay, All 3 have the added benefit of playing 30 plus minutes per game and much much larger roles. Okafor is shooting 49 percent, pretty much 95 percent of his shots are in the paint. Those are Robert Sacresque numbers. You give Bob 25 shots a game in his rookie year, he wins ROY by default too.

          4. You are totally underestimating what Okafor is doing. The defenses are making him priority #1 to stop and he’s commanding the double team as a rookie while still putting up big numbers. Sacre couldn’t do that now, or ever.

            If you gave Russell 25% usage and made him the focal point of opposing defenses do you really believe he’d be delivering big numbers right now?

            It’s still to early to being judging this rookies, let’s watch them play and wait till ASB. That’s when some seem to turn it on (like Clarkson).

          5. D’angelo will turn in 2 or 3 years. He’s extremely talent but too weak in terms of body

          6. Just watching Okafor and Russell though, there is no question who has more upside. Okafor is so slow and he has so many of his shots blocked due to that. He had the added benefit of facing guys in college who were midgets compared to him and that is why everyone was so big on him. As for Sacre, yea he couldn’t do that in the post, but he has that crappy short corner jumper that sometimes goes in, he could do that all game and probably make 33 percent of those shots and average about 15-20 points per game. That last game Okafor played was the first time he got big rebounding numbers, had Noah actually played, I doubt very much they’d be that high, he was averaging close to DLo’s rebounding rate before then. I think 39 year old Tim Duncan would win a foot race against Okafor, seriously I’ve never seen a slower 19 year old.

          7. Isn’t critiquing a player what they do in order to determine their value as a draft pick?

          8. Yes that is what you do. However, since the draft was months ago, shouldn’t you just be critiquing Russell…not comparing him to Okafor?

          9. it’s tough to critique Russell given the smaller sample size. Really need him to play starter minutes of at least a couple NBA games before i’d be willing to do that. Basically what I’m saying is that it’s not fair he is being treated differently from the other rookies with the green light.

          10. But aren’t you suggesting that he should be treated differently? You say he has a smaller sample size? How big is Winslow’s sample size? How big is Stein’s sample size?

            And, where does Okafor fit into an argument that Russell needs more time? Okafor doesn’t even need to be a part of our argument.

          11. He’s a 7 foot center, not every center is jumping out the gym with athleticism like Davis or DeAndre, Okafor is putting up big numbers because of his post game his foot work and touch around the rim is amazing which is why he was considered the #1 pick for a long time before Towns emerged.

          12. Why does Okafor need to be criticized just to make Russell look like a good pick? Just admit that Okafor has great potential even though Russell was the choice.

            Trying to do it the way you are is going to become more difficult as the season goes on. Okafor is going to continue to look better this year as was projected during the draft. Russell was projected look better down the road.

          13. Russell simply isn’t getting up enough shots. Not to say I agree with Bateman about Okafor. Jahlil would have been a good pick also. I just think that the Lakers can work with what they have.

          14. Dangelo hasnt shown us anything yet.
            just wait til he gets going. and shows us 100 pct of his game.
            were all going to be apologizing to him…….including me.

          15. if your such a big okafor fan go to the philly site.
            no need to come here anymore.

          1. Nance has been looking good and I thought Brown looked good when he played in preseason. Late in the draft you are looking for solid rotation players and the LAL went 2 for 2 on them. Both may end up being above average NBA starters.

            Try not to lump all the rookies together.

          2. If Brown and Nance are starters for the Lakers someday then the Lakers are going to be in last place for a long, long time.

          3. ? A Brown could be a Kris Middleton level player and Nance could be a D Green level. Your just salty.

          4. crazy you can make that assessment, when Brown has yet to see any good amount of minutes in an regular NBA season game, lets give brown time.. and If Larry can be a consistent mid range jump shooter, i think the sky is the limit for the kid.. i like those two pics.. i think Hunter was available when Larry was on board, that was an option but other then that i like them.

          1. lol just read the comments on here how we are treating D Russ. Warriors fans are not spoiled like us Laker fans..look how some act man .. its crazy

          2. Why would they be spoiled? Before Curry they haven’t been relevant since the 70s. A lot of Lakers fans are stupid and spoiled, but not all of them. The stupid spoiled ones just happen to be the loudest-hence the term ‘peanut gallery’.

          1. ..he also found Eddie Jones, Kurt Rambis, Michael Cooper, and AC Green. Everybody breaks eggs…even Emeril.

      2. and you know this after 8 games,you must see the future,what are tomorrows lottery numbers going to be genius?

    1. The Lakers didn’t do that last statement you made….”drafted players to suit their system”. The Lakers took who they felt had the best upside.

  • no matter who i wanted, at the end we have D Russ.. im going to support him, til he actually turns out to be a bust.. he’s coming around, and playing with already 3 establish players(Julius, JC and Kobe), so hes kind of taking a step back from being aggressive.. Zingis has played well, just like the rest of the rookies.. but at the end, im only concern about Lakers Rook… Lets Go Russ..

    1. Supporting him and pointing out weakness is still appropriate. I know we want him to be good but let’s look at him with open eyes.

      I still am not feeling him as a pick due to his lack of penetration which definitely points to lack of athleticism. This will likely make him a below average defender as well. It’s hard envisioning a below average perimeter player being a starter in the NBA.

      1. u right .. my thing is, why are we worried with his penetration, when we have JC that does that well. I mean they equal each other out.. i want JC to run the point and Russ play off.. Russ is a scorer, more of a shooter, JC penetrates, and goes to the rim , not to mention can shoot. soon as kobe steps down you will see a change, til then Russ is going with the flow. Lets not forget the torch was passed to Julius. JC emerge end of last year, and Kobe still balling.. Russ kind of have to fill in the blanks.. he’s new at Pg as well.. we have to give him a chance and take all those into consideration.

      2. Lakers already have two guys who can penetrate in the starting lineup in Randall and Clarkson — don’t need that from Russell. Besides, 38% of Russell’s 2pt attempts come from within 10 feet. He can get into the lane if he needs to.

        1. Being 1-dimensional offensively means defenses have an easier time stopping you, and playing bad defense makes it hard to start a player.

          For instance Marco Benllieli is a great shooter but 1-dimensional and a below average defender therefore a bench player.

          1. But he’s not 1-dimensional — he can hit from range, come off screens at the elbow and hit the open shooter.

          2. Umm…no. Russell averages more steals, blocks, rebounds, and is shooting a MUCH higher % from inside the arc. The ONLY thing Bellinelli does better than Russell is shoot the three.

          3. Russell’s d is god awful. He may get more steals but he’s got to start playing some defense. It’s really just pathetic.

          4. DefRtg is defined as the number of points a team allows per 100 possessions while that player is on the court, and is better reflection of team defense than individual defense.

          5. Watching the game I do see why BS has been very critical of Russell’s defense. He blows a lot of assignments, I thought if he stayed in the Nets game they would of lost that one too. The Joe Johnson leak out layup near the end was totally his fault. I see a lot of that happening during the game. The stats seem to back this up.

            Sac team DefRtg is 106.5 and Marco is 105.9
            LAL team DefRtg is 108.4 and Russell is 113.3

            My conclusion is Russell makes a bad defense worse and Marco doesn’t.

          6. i dont think your getting what Boom is saying.. and cmon bro.. to even compare Marco to Russ is wrong

          7. It was an example and not meant to be a comparison. Specialty players are usually bench players. Starters are more versatile and usually good two-way players.

          8. oh, my bad, u right. Marco is just an straight up shooter. but Russ is doing actually what BS is telling him to do .. you see the pic N roll with Hibb.. i mean JC had freedom last year, with every one injured. Julius is a beast but still trying to figure out the game. only way he can if he gets more touches. and of course there’s Kobe. So Russ is just going with the flow. With all these ball dominate players some one has to take the backseat. Russ is it for the time being.

          9. Byron gave JC the freedom last year and this year. JC went to the rim every chance he got. Why has Russell been afraid to cross the free throw line. I doubt any coach, even BS would tell Russell “don’t drive” It’s the flow of the game to penetrate.

      3. I agree with both of yall, I think where BULLY was coming from with ‘supporting’ Russell is not living in the past. I can’t deal with these ‘We should’ve picked Okafor’ arguments anymore, we picked who we picked so we now have to find the best way possible to win with what we have

        1. As one of those that have, continue to, and may way after now still do it, posters, it is more about trying to drill home a point that none of us are experts on here. Posters were so strongly against Okafor during the draft making it appear that it was a clear cut fact that Russell was the better option. Now, none of those people are posting as strongly for Russell. There is no accountability for your post on here. I don’t like that because it lessens the quality of message board.

          1. I saw pretty vehement arguments for and against both players during the draft tbh. I was personally hoping for Russell and am glad we picked him, but to each their own I guess. Not sure what you’re referring to with no accountability and lessening of quality though

          2. What i mean is that posters can come on here and attempt to berate the points of other posters. And in time, when things are proven not to be as they stated, no one ever comes back and says that their earlier points were wrong.

            As anonymous as this message board is, people do get familiar with certain names and remember what specific posters have said.

          3. Ohh I got you..thats true. I think that goes for all message boards though unfortunately, however there are alot of posters here that are able to see things objectively which is cool.
            I’d disagree with you on the fact that none of us are experts though – maybe none of us are Professionals in the NBA on any level but Im sure there are a few people here that have quite a few years of experience in basketball be it coaching, analyzing, or playing…I’ve been watching (lakers) ball for only 16 years so Id consider myself knowledgeable but maybe not an expert 🙂

  • no matter who i wanted, at the end we have D Russ.. im going to support him, til he actually turns out to be a bust.. he’s coming around, and playing with already 3 establish players(Julius, JC and Kobe), so hes kind of taking a step back from being aggressive.. Zingis has played well, just like the rest of the rookies.. but at the end, im only concern about Lakers Rook… Lets Go Russ..

    1. Supporting him and pointing out weakness is still appropriate. I know we want him to be good but let’s look at him with open eyes.

      I still am not feeling him as a pick due to his lack of penetration which definitely points to lack of athleticism. This will likely make him a below average defender as well. It’s hard envisioning a below average perimeter player being a starter in the NBA.

      1. u right .. my thing is, why are we worried with his penetration, when we have JC that does that well. I mean they equal each other out.. i want JC to run the point and Russ play off.. Russ is a scorer, more of a shooter, JC penetrates, and goes to the rim , not to mention can shoot. soon as kobe steps down you will see a change, til then Russ is going with the flow. Lets not forget the torch was passed to Julius. JC emerge end of last year, and Kobe still balling.. Russ kind of have to fill in the blanks.. he’s new at Pg as well.. we have to give him a chance and take all those into consideration.

      2. Lakers already have two guys who can penetrate in the starting lineup in Randall and Clarkson — don’t need that from Russell. Besides, 38% of Russell’s 2pt attempts come from within 10 feet. He can get into the lane if he needs to.

        1. Being 1-dimensional offensively means defenses have an easier time stopping you, and playing bad defense makes it hard to start a player.

          For instance Marco Benllieli is a great shooter but 1-dimensional and a below average defender therefore a bench player.

          1. But he’s not 1-dimensional — he can hit from range, come off screens at the elbow and hit the open shooter.

          2. Umm…no. Russell averages more steals, blocks, rebounds, and is shooting a MUCH higher % from inside the arc. The ONLY thing Bellinelli does better than Russell is shoot the three.

          3. Russell’s d is god awful. He may get more steals but he’s got to start playing some defense. It’s really just pathetic.

          4. DefRtg is defined as the number of points a team allows per 100 possessions while that player is on the court, and is better reflection of team defense than individual defense.

          5. Watching the game I do see why BS has been very critical of Russell’s defense. He blows a lot of assignments, I thought if he stayed in the Nets game they would of lost that one too. The Joe Johnson leak out layup near the end was totally his fault. I see a lot of that happening during the game. The stats seem to back this up.

            Sac team DefRtg is 106.5 and Marco is 105.9
            LAL team DefRtg is 108.4 and Russell is 113.3

            My conclusion is Russell makes a bad defense worse and Marco doesn’t.

          6. i dont think your getting what Boom is saying.. and cmon bro.. to even compare Marco to Russ is wrong

          7. It was an example and not meant to be a comparison. Specialty players are usually bench players. Starters are more versatile and usually good two-way players.

          8. oh, my bad, u right. Marco is just an straight up shooter. but Russ is doing actually what BS is telling him to do .. you see the pic N roll with Hibb.. i mean JC had freedom last year, with every one injured. Julius is a beast but still trying to figure out the game. only way he can if he gets more touches. and of course there’s Kobe. So Russ is just going with the flow. With all these ball dominate players some one has to take the backseat. Russ is it for the time being.

          9. Byron gave JC the freedom last year and this year. JC went to the rim every chance he got. Why has Russell been afraid to cross the free throw line. I doubt any coach, even BS would tell Russell “don’t drive” It’s the flow of the game to penetrate.

      3. I agree with both of yall, I think where BULLY was coming from with ‘supporting’ Russell is not living in the past. I can’t deal with these ‘We should’ve picked Okafor’ arguments anymore, we picked who we picked so we now have to find the best way possible to win with what we have

        1. As one of those that have, continue to, and may way after now still do it, posters, it is more about trying to drill home a point that none of us are experts on here. Posters were so strongly against Okafor during the draft making it appear that it was a clear cut fact that Russell was the better option. Now, none of those people are posting as strongly for Russell. There is no accountability for your post on here. I don’t like that because it lessens the quality of message board.

          1. I saw pretty vehement arguments for and against both players during the draft tbh. I was personally hoping for Russell and am glad we picked him, but to each their own I guess. Not sure what you’re referring to with no accountability and lessening of quality though

          2. What i mean is that posters can come on here and attempt to berate the points of other posters. And in time, when things are proven not to be as they stated, no one ever comes back and says that their earlier points were wrong.

            As anonymous as this message board is, people do get familiar with certain names and remember what specific posters have said.

          3. Ohh I got you..thats true. I think that goes for all message boards though unfortunately, however there are alot of posters here that are able to see things objectively which is cool.
            I’d disagree with you on the fact that none of us are experts though – maybe none of us are Professionals in the NBA on any level but Im sure there are a few people here that have quite a few years of experience in basketball be it coaching, analyzing, or playing…I’ve been watching (lakers) ball for only 16 years so Id consider myself knowledgeable but maybe not an expert 🙂

  • Russel was my choice in the draft day too. The kid is a amazing talent, but not even close ready… Like i think about Exum, guys here talk things like “Clarkson is better Exum”.
    MY GOODNESS. Exum is a weak 19 yr kid. Can’t play in the NBA right now… Same about D’angelo. They will be MVP-caliber, but in a long long time. 3, 4 or 5 years

    1. Exum looked bad, but his development was more defensively. That’s the way Snyder wanted him to play – never gave him a chance to feature his offensive game. One mistake, he gets the stare down, so the dude shut down, gave up the ball every chance he got and focused on defense.
      With that injury, I doubt we’ll ever see the full Exum potential.
      For DR, BS’s criticism of him aren’t as lethal. Just doesn’t want him to make the same mistake over and over again.

    1. Towns nice, but Oak is demanding Doubles on a nightly basis..Johnson was tearing up pre seaon, kind of slow down now.. i would say Oak, Towns, Zingis. Mudiay is too up and down for me.. Harrell surprise me. Reminds me of Black.

        1. umm is Harrel playing some center over in Houston? i ask becus we really have not seen Black at the pf position. Hes always playing center. Black can score with the best of them under the rim, and get rebounds. he hustle hard. Hes just undersized for the 5 so he get scored on by legit centers but he handles his own.. i like black a lot. but u know the lakers.. they dont know how to play our players smh

  • Magic is funny. He has a tendency of coming out with just the right comment to spark some serious discussion. The reality is, he no longer has any “skin in the game” and can afford to speak his mind. His allegiance was with Dr. Buss. He has no loyalty with Jim…maybe Jeanie though.

    1. Magic and Jimmy Hat have a bizarre sibling rivalry going on…that much is obvious. Not sure what happened between those two, but they clearly don’t like each other.

      1. Bizarre because he and Jeanie claim to be like brother and sister. Bizarre because he wants the whole pie of owning the Lakers yet the Buss family will only give him a slice. They can be play siblings but when it comes down to business they remind him that he isn’t a Buss. Magic probably thinks he can run the team better than Jim too.

  • Russel was my choice in the draft day too. The kid is a amazing talent, but not even close ready… Like i think about Exum, guys here talk things like “Clarkson is better Exum”.
    MY GOODNESS. Exum is a weak 19 yr kid. Can’t play in the NBA right now… Same about D’angelo. They will be MVP-caliber, but in a long long time. 3, 4 or 5 years

    1. Exum looked bad, but his development was more defensively. That’s the way Snyder wanted him to play – never gave him a chance to feature his offensive game. One mistake, he gets the stare down, so the dude shut down, gave up the ball every chance he got and focused on defense.
      With that injury, I doubt we’ll ever see the full Exum potential.
      For DR, BS’s criticism of him aren’t as lethal. Just doesn’t want him to make the same mistake over and over again.

  • Top rookies so far:
    Towns
    Okafor
    Johnson
    Mudiay
    Porzingis
    Winslow
    Harrell
    Hezonja
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    .
    .
    Russell

    1. Towns nice, but Oak is demanding Doubles on a nightly basis..Johnson was tearing up pre seaon, kind of slow down now.. i would say Oak, Towns, Zingis. Mudiay is too up and down for me.. Harrell surprise me. Reminds me of Black.

        1. umm is Harrel playing some center over in Houston? i ask becus we really have not seen Black at the pf position. Hes always playing center. Black can score with the best of them under the rim, and get rebounds. he hustle hard. Hes just undersized for the 5 so he get scored on by legit centers but he handles his own.. i like black a lot. but u know the lakers.. they dont know how to play our players smh

  • Magic is funny. He has a tendency of coming out with just the right comment to spark some serious discussion. The reality is, he no longer has any “skin in the game” and can afford to speak his mind. His allegiance was with Dr. Buss. He has no loyalty with Jim…maybe Jeanie though.

    1. Magic and Jimmy Hat have a bizarre sibling rivalry going on…”bizarre” because they’re not even siblings. Not sure what happened between those two, but they clearly don’t like each other.

      1. Bizarre because he and Jeanie claim to be like brother and sister. Bizarre because he wants the whole pie of owning the Lakers yet the Buss family will only give him a slice. They can be play siblings but when it comes down to business they remind him that he isn’t a Buss. Magic probably thinks he can run the team better than Jim too.

  • Wasn’t it ALREADY projected before the draft that we are seeing would be…what we are seeing? Was not Okafor considered to be the most NBA ready player in the draft? Wasn’t Mudiay considered to be the second most NBA ready player in the draft? Are they not just showing that to be true with how they seem to be the most comfortable in their respective environments? Was not Towns considered the most versatile of the bunch with a clear unknown upside which made him the best option at number 1 for ANY TEAM no matter their roster? Was not Porzingis consider the most unknown player that could end up being great or a bust…it just couldn’t be made clear? And, wasn’t Russell considered to be the player with the most potential to be great and a star….but also the one that had the most potential to be a bust as well? Is there anything so far which we have seen which differs from any of this?

    1. Russell was also the player with the highest bust potential (48% I believe). The differences are that Towns has more of an offensive game than people thought, Mudiay has looked better than projected in terms of composure and vision, and Zinger was thought to be a 2-3 year project and seems a lot more NBA ready.

      1. I said that Russell had the highest potential to be a bust. Did you not read my whole long post???? J/k…I admit that it was long.

      2. mudiay also had the unknown label since people couldn’t gauge his skill level p[laying in china instead of college. I saw him as Tyreke Evans 2.0 with passing abilities.

      3. Zingis was more considered an unknown which made people ASSUME that he would be a 2-3 year project. The information was incomplete. Mudiay was projected by many to be composed and an offensive threat. The problem was always his shooting from the perimeter. It has been up and down so far. Towns was projected to be good offensively in that he could stretch the floor and do a variety of things.

      4. common sense that the player with the most bust potential is Kaminsky. MJ drafted him. Not what some of the writers noted but they did have Frankie as biggest bust potential behind Zinger. D’angelo wasn’t even on those lists.

    2. All true, sadly that bust label has Okafor fanboys clamouring about it from day one of the summer league.

        1. No, because Russell is a Laker and I’m a Laker fan. Had the Lakers drafted Okafor and I was only talking about how the Lakers missed out on Russell..Then I’d be a Russell fanboy.

          1. Kobe is a Laker, but he’s like Sacre, no good any longer. Doesn’t mean I’ll just blindly support players who are hindering the Lakers.

          2. He’s wearing a jersey with Lakers on it. You can’t say that you support Russell because he’s a Laker but not Kobe.

  • Wasn’t it ALREADY projected before the draft that we are seeing would be…what we are seeing? Was not Okafor considered to be the most NBA ready player in the draft? Wasn’t Mudiay considered to be the second most NBA ready player in the draft? Are they not just showing that to be true with how they seem to be the most comfortable in their respective environments? Was not Towns considered the most versatile of the bunch with a clear unknown upside which made him the best option at number 1 for ANY TEAM no matter their roster? Was not Porzingis consider the most unknown player that could end up being great or a bust…it just couldn’t be made clear? And, wasn’t Russell considered to be the player with the most potential to be great and a star….but also the one that had the most potential to be a bust as well? Is there anything so far which we have seen which differs from any of this?

    1. Russell was also the player with the highest bust potential (48% I believe). The differences are that Towns has more of an offensive game than people thought, Mudiay has looked better than projected in terms of composure and vision, and Zinger was thought to be a 2-3 year project and seems a lot more NBA ready.

      1. I said that Russell had the highest potential to be a bust. Did you not read my whole long post???? J/k…I admit that it was long.

      2. mudiay also had the unknown label since people couldn’t gauge his skill level p[laying in china instead of college. I saw him as Tyreke Evans 2.0 with passing abilities.

      3. Zingis was more considered an unknown which made people ASSUME that he would be a 2-3 year project. The information was incomplete. Mudiay was projected by many to be composed and an offensive threat. The problem was always his shooting from the perimeter. It has been up and down so far. Towns was projected to be good offensively in that he could stretch the floor and do a variety of things.

      4. common sense that the player with the most bust potential is Kaminsky. MJ drafted him. Not what some of the writers noted but they did have Frankie as biggest bust potential behind Zinger. D’angelo wasn’t even on those lists.

    2. All true, sadly that bust label has Okafor fanboys clamouring about it from day one of the summer league.

        1. No, because Russell is a Laker and I’m a Laker fan. Had the Lakers drafted Okafor and I was only talking about how the Lakers missed out on Russell..Then I’d be a Russell fanboy.

          1. Kobe is a Laker, but he’s like Sacre, no good any longer. Doesn’t mean I’ll just blindly support players who are hindering the Lakers.

          2. He’s wearing a jersey with Lakers on it. You can’t say that you support Russell because he’s a Laker but not Kobe.

    1. There’s definitely animosity between those two, but after watching Magic’s interview were he spelled out his beef and reading articles about Jim. I’ve got to side with Magic.

      1. Me too. Jim Buss lost me when he said Magic owed his billion dollar fortune to his father. That reeked of entitlement. Jim Buss knows basketball, but his impatience is really killing the organization. They drafted Russell because he had the most upside according to these generic scouting reports, but then he turns around and undermines Russell by drafting Louis Williams. You’ve already got Bryant and Nick Young who take the ball out of Russell’s hands and they had to go out and get Louis Williams also.

        1. Magic does owe his money to Dr. Buss. Dr. Buss was rich when he bought the Lakers….which is why he could afford to do it. Magic was from the mean streets of Lansing, MI. He had parents that loved him and worked hard to put food on the table and clothes on his back…but no millions there. Dr. Buss helped him be who he was and taught him about life in the process.

          1. So Magic’s world class talent had nothing to do with it? Yes, Dr. Buss helped magic retire with $5 million in the bank, but he could have done that with any other NBA team being the best point guard of all-time.

            Magic made a billion through his business deals. I’m not talking about endorsments like Jordan. He opened his own movie theatres and has money invested in HIV test strips and stuff like that. It’s because of his work to spread HIV awareness that so many people wanted to be associated with him and give him money to start his business. His NBA legacy played a big part in that, but it wasn’t necesarily because he was a Laker that he was able to make those connections. Dr. Buss didn’t introduce him to any investors.

            I’m sure Magic is greatful to Dr. Buss. That doesn’t give Jim a pass to completely destroy the team without Magic being able to question his decisions.

          2. Whole lot of world class talent at Rucker Park every summer….How many of them have millions?

          3. You act as if the Lakers are the only team in the NBA. He could have played anywhere else and made the same amount of money.

          4. But he didn’t. Because he made it in LA with the Lakers, because he was the first player to be given $1 mill for a contract, because he was the first player given part ownership, because his jersey is retired, because the franchise supported him through his HIV announcement and since, all under Dr. Buss…he should refrain from being so critical now.

          5. i will say this he did get to come in an play right away with the best big man to play the game. not that he wouldn’t have gotten paid any where else but at the time Lakers and Boston were the main teams getting national attention and that allowed him along with the rivalry with bird that made him a house hold name.

          6. It’s like Jim Buss expects this sort of child like obedience out of Magic that he doesn’t expect from Jerry West or even Kareem. Why can everyone else criticize the Lakers organization without that sort of backlash?

            Speaking of Boston, Bird is only worth $33 million. You mean to tell me that the Lakers organization alone is what made Magic that extra $967 million dollars over Bird? Magic had good business since and a charitable track record that put him in that position.

          7. You got me. Buss did teach Magic business and introduce him to business contacts in LA now that I remember it. So Jim was right.

          8. Exactly….No one would have a problem with the statement had Jeanie made it. People don’t like Jim so automatically they disrespect anything he says.

      2. I think they’re both acting like a couple of spoiled brats. Magic needs to keep it in house and Jimmy Hat needs to man up.

        1. That’s the point. Magic is no longer in the house. He left before Buss passed. Magic never talked bad about the Lakers when Buss was running the show.

    1. There’s definitely animosity between those two, but after watching Magic’s interview were he spelled out his beef and reading articles about Jim. I’ve got to side with Magic.

      1. Me too. Jim Buss lost me when he said Magic owed his billion dollar fortune to his father. That reeked of entitlement. Jim Buss knows basketball, but his impatience is really killing the organization. They drafted Russell because he had the most upside according to these generic scouting reports, but then he turns around and undermines Russell by drafting Louis Williams. You’ve already got Bryant and Nick Young who take the ball out of Russell’s hands and they had to go out and get Louis Williams also.

        1. Magic does owe his money to Dr. Buss. Dr. Buss was rich when he bought the Lakers….which is why he could afford to do it. Magic was from the mean streets of Lansing, MI. He had parents that loved him and worked hard to put food on the table and clothes on his back…but no millions there. Dr. Buss helped him be who he was and taught him about life in the process.

          1. So Magic’s world class talent had nothing to do with it? Yes, Dr. Buss helped magic retire with $5 million in the bank, but he could have done that with any other NBA team being the best point guard of all-time.

            Magic made a billion through his business deals. I’m not talking about endorsments like Jordan. He opened his own movie theatres and has money invested in HIV test strips and stuff like that. It’s because of his work to spread HIV awareness that so many people wanted to be associated with him and give him money to start his business. His NBA legacy played a big part in that, but it wasn’t necesarily because he was a Laker that he was able to make those connections. Dr. Buss didn’t introduce him to any investors.

            I’m sure Magic is greatful to Dr. Buss. That doesn’t give Jim a pass to completely destroy the team without Magic being able to question his decisions.

          2. Whole lot of world class talent at Rucker Park every summer….How many of them have millions?

          3. You act as if the Lakers are the only team in the NBA. He could have played anywhere else and made the same amount of money.

          4. But he didn’t. Because he made it in LA with the Lakers, because he was the first player to be given $1 mill for a contract, because he was the first player given part ownership, because his jersey is retired, because the franchise supported him through his HIV announcement and since, all under Dr. Buss…he should refrain from being so critical now.

          5. i will say this he did get to come in an play right away with the best big man to play the game. not that he wouldn’t have gotten paid any where else but at the time Lakers and Boston were the main teams getting national attention and that allowed him along with the rivalry with bird that made him a house hold name.

          6. It’s like Jim Buss expects this sort of child like obedience out of Magic that he doesn’t expect from Jerry West or even Kareem. Why can everyone else criticize the Lakers organization without that sort of backlash?

            Speaking of Boston, Bird is only worth $33 million. You mean to tell me that the Lakers organization alone is what made Magic that extra $967 million dollars over Bird? Magic had good business since and a charitable track record that put him in that position.

          7. You got me. Buss did teach Magic business and introduce him to business contacts in LA now that I remember it. So Jim was right.

          8. Exactly….No one would have a problem with the statement had Jeanie made it. People don’t like Jim so automatically they disrespect anything he says.

      2. I think they’re both acting like a couple of spoiled brats. Magic needs to keep it in house and Jimmy Hat needs to man up.

        1. That’s the point. Magic is no longer in the house. He left before Buss passed. Magic never talked bad about the Lakers when Buss was running the show.

  • IMO if D’angelo were playing for any team beside the lakers i don’t think anybody would be calling him a bust. I don’t hear that smart is a bust and he hasn’t shown me anything except defense.

    1. Very true…but it’s the price of being in LA. Russell should have been told that’s the way it is.

      1. That shows the problem with our fan base and not a problem with Russell. Honestly i have seen supposed lakers fans completely rip everyone on this team and alot of it is unjustified. Its no wonder that Jerry West said that GSW had better fans.

          1. Idk what you are trying to say. All i was trying to get at is people need to chill and just let the kid play. I know that the lakers fanbase won’t change because you can’t fix stupid. Half of the people posting on this site can actually have legitimate conversations the other half seem have trouble even forming coherent statements.

          2. What I’m saying is that LA is no different than New York. You ask A-Rod what it’s like to be ridden by the fans every year. LA is tough on it’s teams.

          3. I agree there. Lakers and Yankees are Championships or Bust. If you fail, they’re gonna ride you hard.

          4. Exactly, we can’t change that simply because we want people to go easy on one player. Lakers fans were hard on Shaq and Kobe during those first few years together.

          5. I am a yankees fan and most of the hate on their forums comes from outsiders not yankees fans.

          6. I’m not just talking the fans, the media as well, as they are huge markets in their respective sports.

          7. I didn’t say one thing about the media needing to change because ESPN makes money off hate articles so you can’t change it. However fans do not get any benefit from constantly tearing down players that are on the team they like so why do it.

          8. Saying something is the way it is doesn’t make it right. Maybe its time the fan base became a little more educated.

          9. So Russell is enough of a reason to change something that has been the reality for decades???

          10. not just Russell don’t you think fans played a part in Pau leaving. Also your point of view is like saying: Well the Ferguson police department has been doing it that way for years one shooting shouldn’t mean they have to change.

          11. No it’s like me saying…one shooting WON’T change it. Are you really going to use Ferguson? This is why it is important to not get personal in here. You don’t have a clue who I am so clearly you don’t mean anything harmful towards me with your statement. But if you knew me, you wouldn’t have said it.

          12. I used Ferguson because it was a very public situation so everybody would get the reference. Every major change has a pivotal point that gets things moving in a different direction. Usually this point is not the actual cause for change but it is part of a long string of things that together make it worth changing. Public outcry got mike brown fired that led to D’antoni being hired that led to misuse of players that caused pau to leave and D’antoni to also be fired. This also led to Byron Scott being hired because he was a laker so the FO thought they could appease the masses. So the rash thinking of the fanbase and the pressure put on the front office has played a part in the situation our team is currently in.

          13. So…you still have only showed how it works, not how it will be changed.

          14. sorry dude but you just talk in circles i made it pretty clear on what should change in the beginning of this conversation. but if you missed it people need to become more educated about their team instead of picking up a pitchfork every time players don’t meet the RIDICULOUS standards that LA fans create.

          15. Yes you did make it clear on what should change. That was never in question. My statement was that it won’t change. Has that not been clear?

          16. But not to know how something could be change doesn´t mean that you can´t point it and said: man, that´s wrong. In fact, this is the beginning of changing things

          17. True…But complaining about something you can’t change is pointless.

          18. then why are you constantly complaining about us picking d’angelo russell

          19. I’m not complaining. I am trying to be a constant reminder to those on here that horribly criticized posters like myself leading up to the draft for suggesting that Okafor was the better pick. I have NEVER criticized Russell. I have consistently said that Okafor was the better pick for the Lakers. That has nothing to do with Russell.

    2. Russell isn’t that bad. He is actually top five in a few rookie categories. People just want to see more from him.

  • IMO if D’angelo were playing for any team beside the lakers i don’t think anybody would be calling him a bust. I don’t hear that smart is a bust and he hasn’t shown me anything except defense.

    1. Very true…but it’s the price of being in LA. Russell should have been told that’s the way it is.

      1. That shows the problem with our fan base and not a problem with Russell. Honestly i have seen supposed lakers fans completely rip everyone on this team and alot of it is unjustified. Its no wonder that Jerry West said that GSW had better fans.

          1. Idk what you are trying to say. All i was trying to get at is people need to chill and just let the kid play. I know that the lakers fanbase won’t change because you can’t fix stupid. Half of the people posting on this site can actually have legitimate conversations the other half seem have trouble even forming coherent statements.

          2. What I’m saying is that LA is no different than New York. You ask A-Rod what it’s like to be ridden by the fans every year. LA is tough on it’s teams.

          3. I agree there. Lakers and Yankees are Championships or Bust. If you fail, they’re gonna ride you hard.

          4. Exactly, we can’t change that simply because we want people to go easy on one player. Lakers fans were hard on Shaq and Kobe during those first few years together.

          5. I am a yankees fan and most of the hate on their forums comes from outsiders not yankees fans.

          6. I’m not just talking the fans, the media as well, as they are huge markets in their respective sports.

          7. I didn’t say one thing about the media needing to change because ESPN makes money off hate articles so you can’t change it. However fans do not get any benefit from constantly tearing down players that are on the team they like so why do it.

          8. Saying something is the way it is doesn’t make it right. Maybe its time the fan base became a little more educated.

          9. So Russell is enough of a reason to change something that has been the reality for decades???

          10. not just Russell don’t you think fans played a part in Pau leaving. Also your point of view is like saying: Well the Ferguson police department has been doing it that way for years one shooting shouldn’t mean they have to change.

          11. No it’s like me saying…one shooting WON’T change it. Are you really going to use Ferguson? This is why it is important to not get personal in here. You don’t have a clue who I am so clearly you don’t mean anything harmful towards me with your statement. But if you knew me, you wouldn’t have said it.

          12. I used Ferguson because it was a very public situation so everybody would get the reference. Every major change has a pivotal point that gets things moving in a different direction. Usually this point is not the actual cause for change but it is part of a long string of things that together make it worth changing. Public outcry got mike brown fired that led to D’antoni being hired that led to misuse of players that caused pau to leave and D’antoni to also be fired. This also led to Byron Scott being hired because he was a laker so the FO thought they could appease the masses. So the rash thinking of the fanbase and the pressure put on the front office has played a part in the situation our team is currently in.

          13. So…you still have only showed how it works, not how it will be changed.

          14. sorry dude but you just talk in circles i made it pretty clear on what should change in the beginning of this conversation. but if you missed it people need to become more educated about their team instead of picking up a pitchfork every time players don’t meet the RIDICULOUS standards that LA fans create.

          15. Yes you did make it clear on what should change. That was never in question. My statement was that it won’t change. Has that not been clear?

          16. But not to know how something could be change doesn´t mean that you can´t point it and said: man, that´s wrong. In fact, this is the beginning of changing things

          17. True…But complaining about something you can’t change is pointless.

          18. then why are you constantly complaining about us picking d’angelo russell

          19. I’m not complaining. I am trying to be a constant reminder to those on here that horribly criticized posters like myself leading up to the draft for suggesting that Okafor was the better pick. I have NEVER criticized Russell. I have consistently said that Okafor was the better pick for the Lakers. That has nothing to do with Russell.

    2. Russell isn’t that bad. He is actually top five in a few rookie categories. People just want to see more from him.

  • Why does “developing the young players” have to be considered an all or nothing deal? People keep acting like the only way to develop the young players is to play them a lot of minutes. Why? Where has that been identified as the correct formula? You can’t build up the young players and still win and have veterans involved in that formula? I just don’t get the all or nothing philosophy.

    1. If you have decent vets, then yeah..that’s the way to do it. Lakers don’t have that luxury so might as well go “all in”.

  • Why does “developing the young players” have to be considered an all or nothing deal? People keep acting like the only way to develop the young players is to play them a lot of minutes. Why? Where has that been identified as the correct formula? You can’t build up the young players and still win and have veterans involved in that formula? I just don’t get the all or nothing philosophy.

    1. If you have decent vets, then yeah..that’s the way to do it. Lakers don’t have that luxury so might as well go “all in”.

  • Thing is, as much talent as this kid has he hasn’t got star power. That’s why the Lakers passed on him. We can’t build our future with a nondescript dork. Yes, I do believe there’s THAT much cynicism in the decision. The youngster looks like a future all star but as sexy as Shawn Bradley.

    1. Bird wasn’t much of a personality but you put up big numbers and people will love you.

      1. And that hick played in that hideous green uniform, not the golden armor. 😉 Lakers do have a hard on for flashy stars. Funny that you mentioned Bird as that time brought us the greatest example of contrast between us and Boston. The quiet hick in Boston and the flashy wizard named Magic on our team.

      1. Don’t get me wrong. I have nothing against skilled players lacking charisma, even though I prefer those with the flash. I’m simply pointing out what I think may have gone through the FO’s heads. You know, gotta sell those tickets to the bored millionaires…

      2. His point he just made is the reason why Dirk hasn’t done big things for the Mavericks the way Kobe has done big things for the Lakers. Kobe and D’Angelo appeal to men and women. Dirk and Kristaps don’t..

    2. All that matters is production. Rambis looked like a crazed mad man, but he was still able to produce for the Lakers. Fact is we’re seeing a lot of rookies play well out of the gate, and none of them are named D’Angelo Russell.

      1. True, but good ol’ Kurt wasn’t the star. And yes, I believe they are starting to sweat in the FO now when their sexy kid is falling behind the other rookies in production. Not because they don’t believe he will come around but because the paying fans might not have the patience to wait for his development.

    3. It is true. If people can’t see it then they are blind. Lakers have always been about flash. D’Angelo is a flashy pretty boy to replace Kobe. Same reason they didn’t draft Okafor. You can’t sell his look worldwide.

  • Thing is, as much talent as this kid has he hasn’t got star power. That’s why the Lakers passed on him. We can’t build our future with a nondescript dork. Yes, I do believe there’s THAT much cynicism in the decision. The youngster looks like a future all star but as sexy as Shawn Bradley.

    1. Bird wasn’t much of a personality but you put up big numbers and people will love you.

      1. And that hick played in that hideous green uniform, not the golden armor. 😉 Lakers do have a hard on for flashy stars. Funny that you mentioned Bird as that time brought us the greatest example of contrast between us and Boston. The quiet hick in Boston and the flashy wizard named Magic on our team.

      1. Don’t get me wrong. I have nothing against skilled players lacking charisma, even though I prefer those with the flash. I’m simply pointing out what I think may have gone through the FO’s heads. You know, gotta sell those tickets to the bored millionaires…

      2. His point he just made is the reason why Dirk hasn’t done big things for the Mavericks the way Kobe has done big things for the Lakers. Kobe and D’Angelo appeal to men and women. Dirk and Kristaps don’t..

    2. All that matters is production. Rambis looked like a crazed mad man, but he was still able to produce for the Lakers. Fact is we’re seeing a lot of rookies play well out of the gate, and none of them are named D’Angelo Russell.

      1. True, but good ol’ Kurt wasn’t the star. And yes, I believe they are starting to sweat in the FO now when their sexy kid is falling behind the other rookies in production. Not because they don’t believe he will come around but because the paying fans might not have the patience to wait for his development.

    3. It is true. If people can’t see it then they are blind. Lakers have always been about flash. D’Angelo is a flashy pretty boy to replace Kobe. Same reason they didn’t draft Okafor. You can’t sell his look worldwide.

  • Dont worry Magic if Dangelo plays half as good as you did back in the 80s.
    We’ll be just fine………
    Forget towns.okafor,mudiay, big P.
    Dangelo might not seem like much right now but i see him sprouting into a great player very soon.
    we just have to have faith in him and give him more confidence to do what needs to be done.

    1. Sure have confidence for years to come. It’s clear from summer to now Russell is not all that skilled unless he plays against a weak college division. Not his fault, he just doesn’t have it and has uneeded pressure also not his fault. Laker management suffers from not recognizing talent in both he and Kobe. No hops left in Kobes legs so he can’t shoot. Then a non athletic number 2 pick. Along with a poor outdated coach. It’s the Buss family lacking any real experience or brains for this team.

  • Dont worry Magic if Dangelo plays half as good as you did back in the 80s.
    We’ll be just fine………
    Forget towns.okafor,mudiay, big P.
    Dangelo might not seem like much right now but i see him sprouting into a great player very soon.
    we just have to have faith in him and give him more confidence to do what needs to be done.

    1. Sure have confidence for years to come. It’s clear from summer to now Russell is not all that skilled unless he plays against a weak college division. Not his fault, he just doesn’t have it and has uneeded pressure also not his fault. Laker management suffers from not recognizing talent in both he and Kobe. No hops left in Kobes legs so he can’t shoot. Then a non athletic number 2 pick. Along with a poor outdated coach. It’s the Buss family lacking any real experience or brains for this team.

  • I wouldn’t call him the steal of the draft after 2 weeks of play, besides he was a top 5 pick. Anyone who watched his highlights knew he would be good. The problem was how soon would he fit in with bigger stronger players as he has a thin frame.

    He is more productive than Russell for sure. He might be the surprise ROY.

    1. could be. im still rooting for Dangelo.
      i dont care if he struggles or not.
      I hope Dangelo gets more aggressive scoring and passing.
      Maybe he can drive and use his dribble than pass to a cutter or a wide open 3 shooter.
      Cmon Lakers……………we need a W.

    2. A lot of good rookies for sure this year. ROY is going to be a lot harder to win this year than last.

        1. He came on too late. He might of won it if BS had played him more early in the season, but then again Wiggins was playing strong.

          I actually think Jabari Parker would have been the runaway winner if he hadn’t gotten injured.

  • I wouldn’t call him the steal of the draft after 2 weeks of play, besides he was a top 5 pick. Anyone who watched his highlights knew he would be good. The problem was how soon would he fit in with bigger stronger players as he has a thin frame.

    He is more productive than Russell for sure. He might be the surprise ROY.

    1. could be. im still rooting for Dangelo.
      i dont care if he struggles or not.
      I hope Dangelo gets more aggressive scoring and passing.
      Maybe he can drive and use his dribble than pass to a cutter or a wide open 3 shooter.
      Cmon Lakers……………we need a W.

    2. A lot of good rookies for sure this year. ROY is going to be a lot harder to win this year than last.

        1. He came on too late. He might of won it if BS had played him more early in the season, but then again Wiggins was playing strong.

          I actually think Jabari Parker would have been the runaway winner if he hadn’t gotten injured.

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