Lakers Vs. Jazz Preview: L.A. Looks For First Preseason Win

By: Nathaniel Lastrapes

Los Angeles Lakers will face the Utah Jazz one more time in Hawaii after failing to beat them in the first outing. The Lakers will go into their second preseason game looking for redemption against the Jazz after they gave the game away in the second half of their first action. In their first exhibition game, the Lakers shot poorly from the field, but the play of their new additions was encouraging. D’Angelo Russell showed poise in his starting role, Julius Randle crashed the boards with ferocity, Roy Hibbert anchored the defense and made things difficult for the Jazz in the paint, and Lou Williams showed promise of being a scoring threat for the second unit.

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Frontcourt:

Gordon Hayward is beginning his fifth campaign with the Jazz and will be the number one offensive option on the perimeter. Hayward has always been an exceptional shooter, but he will look to take smaller players down on the block since he’s gained approximately 20 pounds of muscle over the off-season. In his first matchup with the Lakers, Hayward struggled a bit from the field, shooting 4-for-10, but changed the dynamic of the game with his newly acquired size, grabbing nine boards. Hayward only played 28 minutes in the first exhibition and will probably play a similar amount of minutes in the second game against the Lakers.

Derrick Favors had his way with the Lakers young backcourt in their first matchup. He finished with 16 points and nine rebounds in just 24 minutes of play. He excelled in getting to the free throw line for multiple and-one opportunities and was a matchup nightmare for the Lakers all night.

Another player who got to the line even more frequently than Favors was French big-man, Rudy Gobert. The Jazz guards did a nice job penetrating the defense and the Lakers rotated poorly, leaving the 7’1″ Center open under the basket for open dunks. When the Lakers did rotate, they rotated late and could do nothing more than to foul Gobert, who went to the charity strip nine times. Gobert also finished with a near double-double with 10 points and 8 rebounds.

Backcourt:

One surprise for the Jazz in the first game was the 6’1″ Brazilian rookie point guard, Raul Neto. Neto did not change the game offensively for the Jazz, but he certainly made his defensive presence known to the Lakers guards. There were countless times in their first matchup where Neto ripped the ball from the Lakers guard before they were able to establish the offense, creating fastbreak opportunities for the Jazz. With second-year point guard, Dante Exum, missing the year due to a torn ACL, Neto has a chance to make the roster. The Lakers should expect more aggressive play from the young point guard on Tuesday night.

Also, expect a better game from Alec Burks, who laid a goose egg in the scoring column on Sunday. Granted, Burks only played 22 minutes, but he missed all of his five attempts from the field in the Jazz victory. The Lakers should expect a resurgence of the Jazz frontcourt in their second exhibition.

Keys to Victory:

Play Defense on a String: Too many times the Jazz guards were allowed to penetrate into the paint, causing havoc on the Lakers defensive rotations. When this does happen in the future, the Lakers need to communicate and rotate in a timely fashion to prevent easy layups in the paint.

Limit Fouls: The Lakers poor help defense left them with one option to stop the Jazz from making easy layups: foul. The Jazz shot 48 free-throws in their first game against the Lakers and made 34 of them. By comparison, the Lakers only made 13 of their 21 free-throw attempts.

Establish Tempo: The Lakers are a young team in search of an identity, so they still are not sure of what speed they will consistently play at. They are a mixed bag of young springy gazelles and older wily veterans, so they will have to play at a pace that accommodates everyone on the roster. In a game with so many free throws, it is impossible to find a rhythm or establish a tempo, so if the Lakers can rotate better defensively they will limit the Jazz from the free-throw line and have a chance to establish a tempo in the game.

Utah Jazz (1-0) vs. Los Angeles Lakers (0-1)
9:00 PM PST, October 5, 2015
Stan Sheriff Center, Honolulu, HI
TV: TWC SportsNet / NBATV
Radio: 710 ESPN (English) / 1330 ESPN (Spanish)

Jazz Projected Starting Lineup
PG: Trey Burke
SG: Alec Burks
SF: Gordon Hayward
PF: Derrick Favors
C: Rudy Gobert

Key Reserves: PG: Raul Neto, PF: Trevor Booker, C: Jeff Withey

Lakers Projected Starting Lineup
PG: D’Angelo Russell
SG: Jordan Clarkson
SF: Kobe Bryant
PF: Julius Randle
C: Roy Hibbert

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Randle hands up against favors.use your frame to advantage. Box out and rebound

  1. I agree but I doubt randle will prove diff this time hes just not staring material and bs is stupidly trying to make him byron has no lineup or basketball sense and surprised why hes out-coached embarrassingly!

      1. Separate subject: What is wrong with LN servers? Mine randomly interrupts my comments and jumps back to the beginning of the article. Not only that, it can hardly let me type at all when LN gets busy.

        Anybody else having problems? I am on Win10.

        1. OK…I deleted everything except the ones of your wife and it still doesn’t work. That should be enough….:-)

        2. Yes, it was a massive chore and a big sacrifice—for nothing!

          Does LN lockup on you? Or slow down when it is busy or randomly go to the top of the article?

      2. Winning isn’t that important in preseason. You can play well and still lose in the NBA. Utah is tough to play great offense against with Gobert patrolling the paint unless Hibbert does things offensively to keep him occupied. Roy is gonna need to hit a couple of those midrange shots he’s good at and be more aggressive on that end. He can score some and knows what he’s doing in the post as evident of that great pass he made on the D’Angelo cut to the hoop. He’s a little bigger than Gobert so he can do some things against him. No team can allow Gobert to just camp in the paint with no man to guard or you won’t score more than 80 points on this team unless you can make threes all night.

        1. yeah buthibbertneeds teamplay the otherway clarkson was the only one on defense in the first unit and he showed you can get passed gobert randle ais useless starting no d no shot pathetic!

        2. byron never learns does he hes such a loser who thinks hes cool but he always embarasses himself!

        3. lakers FO and i myself chose byron as coach over hollins after watching him on time warner as an analyst.he was the most vocal and seemed like he knew what lakers needed which was defense. but where the f#ck is the defense we came out with the worst record in history

        4. agrred I dont hate people but my god even greatcoaches like pop admit some things there fault even madsenthough not great admiteed hisfaults you neversee any humility afterhe gets embarassed!

        5. This is the toughest team in the nba for Randle to face, I promise you. And that’s because of Gobert’s presence in the paint on defense. Randle is a driver and post up guy. He’s still working on that jumper so he hasn’t built great confidence in that yet. Most teams don’t have guys like that patrolling the paint and until his J comes along, those are the teams he’ll have more success against right now.

        6. actually they do look at the report of why he is considered a bust he only has one style no post bully ball all thetime and nowfailing trying againstall teams strongerthan him even clarkson is strongerand better than him wake up julius is an amateur!

        7. I disagree. Julius will figure it out. He’s too hungry and too hard of a worker to fail. He only needs game time and reps

        8. he got time yesterday being a starter duh he showed hes not good and inexpeirnced and a big dumb jock idiot!

        9. No, Randle needs to have a “kick” outlet in his drive so that when they clog the paint against him he has a way to make other teams pay. I don’t think Randle fits at the 4, myself. I see him more as an oversize 2/3, if he can learn to play over there and develop a long ball. I said so before we even drafted him. He would be a better “beast” against guys that can be bullied.

      3. It’s the Lakers, eye brows will raise no matter what. Don’t think Scott is too concerned one way or another.

        1. he should be losing like this and no reaction being a loser he will end up unemployed!

        2. Umm….no. Jim Buss is in the second year of his self-imposed three year plan — firing Scott would mean that plan failed and he’d either have to step down or renege on his promise.

          No chance he’ll fire Scott unless he can point to a core of young talent that needs to get to the next level and that’s not going to happen this season.

        3. WELL HES GOING TO HAVE TO DOSOMETHING QUICK OR IF THEY KEEP LOSING UNDER BYRONNO MONEYCOMING FOR GAMES!

        4. 3-4 year promise. People are always quoting the lower end but he literally said 3-4 years.

        5. Fair enough…personally, I don’t even think it’s required. The Lakers were going to hit the wall sooner or later. The only move I really criticize him on is firing Mike Brown prematurely, because that led to the D’Antoni fiasco.

          Everything else, in my opinion, has been worth the risk, even if it didn’t pan out.

      4. RE: Eye brows will raise
        Maybe to the fans, but to his bosses, they aren’t paying attention. They are focused on the long term and growing their 3 future all stars.

        1. they are paying attention mitch promised a playoff birth..byron is no different from mike brown if he doesnt put a team together he’s gone

    1. Only thing embarrassing was that English. Good Lord that was horrible. I swear it be the dumbest fools who every second got something to say about Byron.

        1. speakin of a guy whos name meleke who leaks his loser name and profile out seriously who named yoU THAT LAME NAME!?

        2. Your punk ass probably dont know how its pronounced. Malik is the proper spelling, my name just spelled differently . Blood

        3. wow so you spelled your name differently how dumb you can not spell your name never passed english 101 or school flunkie!

        4. Bitch my parents spellwd it like that, and the meaning of the name means king and your means bitch ass.

        5. king of being a loser who cannot stop using profanities boy what a hoodlum loser you are lol!

        6. Im far from a loser, blood i make more money than you and you must be a corny ass white boy who dont know shit about the nba.ylue thw faget ass loser

        7. wow getting racial for all that money you don’t have any moral speech value s you are worse your a rich thug loWLIFE P.S. i AM AFRICAN AMERICAN AND MUCH SMARTER THAN YOU PAL! !

        8. Oh wow i can afford to talk the way i talk blood. Im born in tge ghetto blood. Loser ass clown

        9. dude I lived in that area and your a blood your a joke the crips when I use to live there around my area would run circles around you!

        10. I survived that so far old man and that area is blood area from 104 and fog dowm to the 120 is dominated by us damu

        11. Grown thats all you need to know blood, the purple and gold will never fold, laker for life, all the way to the george mikans to baylors the west magics kobe

        12. well if your gorown thatstop profanity like a kiddie teacher and I am not old I amprobably your ageand smarter!

        13. CUssing runs the family blood, how old are you. Im smart enough to take care of myselfand avoid the police blood

        14. Once the lakers get used to each other they flourish and randle will show off his talent. Team defense will be the key, and the only thing i agree with u is bryon scott running drills, he over do it

        15. Like Bass said it should get them ready for the long regular season. I don’t even see Russell complaining and didn’t he have a bruised foot.

        16. Blood, you to stupid to figure out , i was born with my name spelled like that

        17. I don’t know if you are a girl or a guy, but I don’t think you know either.

        18. He’s a girl, BP1. Meleke is a girl’s name. He “gazes” at Russell’s crotch and comments on it. There is something funny about this he/she.

        19. Blood you fag from philly, a true bitch. Im a real man and would beat rhe shit out of u

        20. Malik/Meleke is a boy’s name. Not taking sides, just wanted to point that out.

        21. I have treated him like a lady, regardless, just to be on the safe side, since you can’t tell with this guy.

    2. Byron could of thrown Kobe back in there but he did the right thing. He allowed the different players to get their feet wet.

      Yes we are Lakers, yes we want to win, but PRESERVATION and GROWTH are more important. We will win, trust.

    3. RE: Randle
      Bass hasn’t show anything to prove why he SHOULD be a starter.

      RE: Out Coached.
      Coaching is a method of fine tuning and maximizing talent. Scott doesn’t have a Cinderella wand that makes a lottery team into a championship contender.

      1. There is no offensive theory to the Lakers. They have no identity—everyone is saying the same thing from Kobe on down.

        1. It’s a motion offense but if the cutters don’t cut, you can’t run it. But I am also wiling to take a lesson. What are the highlights of the Princeton in your eyes?

          Anyway, if that was the Princeton, we are in trouble.

        2. 1.they are setting height screens with both big men for the pg which either leads to a form of pnr or a throw down to one of the bigs in triple threat position.

          2.throwing the ball to hibbert, randle, and kobe in the pinch post.

          3. running side pnr between one of the guards and kobe to get him in the flex action.

          4.the pg either clark or russ throwing the ball into a ig in the high post then having the other g/f come set a down screen for a littler cutting action.

          thats 4 princton plays i have seen with out going threwthe games with a fine tooth comb. but….

          your right the pricton does pride itself just like the triangle in off ball people movement. the issuse is that the bear meet and bones of the offense has been princton but they are still to new to the system to have all the 2nd, 3rd and 4th options in the offesne which is what causes people movement.

          the main reason for off ball movement in the triangle/princton is that the offense is being ran for 2 to 3 players the last two remaing players need to read the defense and get into another position that wont hurt option 1 thats being ran but can help should option fails that is were the lakers as a team are not at that point yet.

        3. Yeah, they do seem tentative and sort of awkward. I wish they would play a modified MDA run and gun, now that we have the shooters and the point guard for it.

        4. even mikes system is based off of princton action the issue is we need a triple threat bigg which we dont have

  2. Looks like favors is out (minor injury), it’s about defense which goes with transition on both ends of the floor.

    1. I agree but I doubt randle will prove diff this time hes just not staring material and bs is stupidly trying to make him byron has no lineup or basketball sense and surprised why hes out-coached embarrassingly!

        1. Separate subject: What is wrong with LN servers? Mine randomly interrupts my comments and jumps back to the beginning of the article. Not only that, it can hardly let me type at all when LN gets busy.

          Anybody else having problems? I am on Win10.

          1. OK…I deleted everything except the ones of your wife and it still doesn’t work. That should be enough….:-)

          2. Yes, it was a massive chore and a big sacrifice—for nothing!

            Does LN lockup on you? Or slow down when it is busy or randomly go to the top of the article?

        2. Winning isn’t that important in preseason. You can play well and still lose in the NBA. Utah is tough to play great offense against with Gobert patrolling the paint unless Hibbert does things offensively to keep him occupied. Roy is gonna need to hit a couple of those midrange shots he’s good at and be more aggressive on that end. He can score some and knows what he’s doing in the post as evident of that great pass he made on the D’Angelo cut to the hoop. He’s a little bigger than Gobert so he can do some things against him. No team can allow Gobert to just camp in the paint with no man to guard or you won’t score more than 80 points on this team unless you can make threes all night.

          1. yeah buthibbertneeds teamplay the otherway clarkson was the only one on defense in the first unit and he showed you can get passed gobert randle ais useless starting no d no shot pathetic!

          2. byron never learns does he hes such a loser who thinks hes cool but he always embarasses himself!

          3. lakers FO and i myself chose byron as coach over hollins after watching him on time warner as an analyst.he was the most vocal and seemed like he knew what lakers needed which was defense. but where the f#ck is the defense we came out with the worst record in history

          4. agrred I dont hate people but my god even greatcoaches like pop admit some things there fault even madsenthough not great admiteed hisfaults you neversee any humility afterhe gets embarassed!

          5. This is the toughest team in the nba for Randle to face, I promise you. And that’s because of Gobert’s presence in the paint on defense. Randle is a driver and post up guy. He’s still working on that jumper so he hasn’t built great confidence in that yet. Most teams don’t have guys like that patrolling the paint and until his J comes along, those are the teams he’ll have more success against right now.

          6. actually they do look at the report of why he is considered a bust he only has one style no post bully ball all thetime and nowfailing trying againstall teams strongerthan him even clarkson is strongerand better than him wake up julius is an amateur!

          7. I disagree. Julius will figure it out. He’s too hungry and too hard of a worker to fail. He only needs game time and reps

          8. he got time yesterday being a starter duh he showed hes not good and inexpeirnced and a big dumb jock idiot!

          9. No, Randle needs to have a “kick” outlet in his drive so that when they clog the paint against him he has a way to make other teams pay. I don’t think Randle fits at the 4, myself. I see him more as an oversize 2/3, if he can learn to play over there and develop a long ball. I said so before we even drafted him. He would be a better “beast” against guys that can be bullied.

        3. It’s the Lakers, eye brows will raise no matter what. Don’t think Scott is too concerned one way or another.

          1. he should be losing like this and no reaction being a loser he will end up unemployed!

          2. Umm….no. Jim Buss is in the second year of his self-imposed three year plan — firing Scott would mean that plan failed and he’d either have to step down or renege on his promise.

            No chance he’ll fire Scott unless he can point to a core of young talent that needs to get to the next level and that’s not going to happen this season.

          3. WELL HES GOING TO HAVE TO DOSOMETHING QUICK OR IF THEY KEEP LOSING UNDER BYRONNO MONEYCOMING FOR GAMES!

          4. 3-4 year promise. People are always quoting the lower end but he literally said 3-4 years.

          5. Fair enough…personally, I don’t even think it’s required. The Lakers were going to hit the wall sooner or later. The only move I really criticize him on is firing Mike Brown prematurely, because that led to the D’Antoni fiasco.

            Everything else, in my opinion, has been worth the risk, even if it didn’t pan out.

        4. RE: Eye brows will raise
          Maybe to the fans, but to his bosses, they aren’t paying attention. They are focused on the long term and growing their 3 future all stars.

          1. they are paying attention mitch promised a playoff birth..byron is no different from mike brown if he doesnt put a team together he’s gone

      1. Only thing embarrassing was that English. Good Lord that was horrible. I swear it be the dumbest fools who every second got something to say about Byron.

          1. speakin of a guy whos name meleke who leaks his loser name and profile out seriously who named yoU THAT LAME NAME!?

          2. Your punk ass probably dont know how its pronounced. Malik is the proper spelling, my name just spelled differently . Blood

          3. wow so you spelled your name differently how dumb you can not spell your name never passed english 101 or school flunkie!

          4. Bitch my parents spellwd it like that, and the meaning of the name means king and your means bitch ass.

          5. king of being a loser who cannot stop using profanities boy what a hoodlum loser you are lol!

          6. Im far from a loser, blood i make more money than you and you must be a corny ass white boy who dont know shit about the nba.ylue thw faget ass loser

          7. wow getting racial for all that money you don’t have any moral speech value s you are worse your a rich thug loWLIFE P.S. i AM AFRICAN AMERICAN AND MUCH SMARTER THAN YOU PAL! !

          8. Oh wow i can afford to talk the way i talk blood. Im born in tge ghetto blood. Loser ass clown

          9. dude I lived in that area and your a blood your a joke the crips when I use to live there around my area would run circles around you!

          10. I survived that so far old man and that area is blood area from 104 and fog dowm to the 120 is dominated by us damu

          11. Grown thats all you need to know blood, the purple and gold will never fold, laker for life, all the way to the george mikans to baylors the west magics kobe

          12. well if your gorown thatstop profanity like a kiddie teacher and I am not old I amprobably your ageand smarter!

          13. CUssing runs the family blood, how old are you. Im smart enough to take care of myselfand avoid the police blood

          14. Once the lakers get used to each other they flourish and randle will show off his talent. Team defense will be the key, and the only thing i agree with u is bryon scott running drills, he over do it

          15. Like Bass said it should get them ready for the long regular season. I don’t even see Russell complaining and didn’t he have a bruised foot.

          16. Blood, you to stupid to figure out , i was born with my name spelled like that

          17. I don’t know if you are a girl or a guy, but I don’t think you know either.

          18. He’s a girl, BP1. Meleke is a girl’s name. He “gazes” at Russell’s crotch and comments on it. There is something funny about this he/she.

          19. Blood you fag from philly, a true bitch. Im a real man and would beat rhe shit out of u

          20. Malik/Meleke is a boy’s name. Not taking sides, just wanted to point that out.

          21. I have treated him like a lady, regardless, just to be on the safe side, since you can’t tell with this guy.

      2. Byron could of thrown Kobe back in there but he did the right thing. He allowed the different players to get their feet wet.

        Yes we are Lakers, yes we want to win, but PRESERVATION and GROWTH are more important. We will win, trust.

      3. RE: Randle
        Bass hasn’t show anything to prove why he SHOULD be a starter.

        RE: Out Coached.
        Coaching is a method of fine tuning and maximizing talent. Scott doesn’t have a Cinderella wand that makes a lottery team into a championship contender.

        1. There is no offensive theory to the Lakers. They have no identity—everyone is saying the same thing from Kobe on down.

          1. It’s a motion offense but if the cutters don’t cut, you can’t run it. But I am also wiling to take a lesson. What are the highlights of the Princeton in your eyes?

            Anyway, if that was the Princeton, we are in trouble.

          2. 1.they are setting height screens with both big men for the pg which either leads to a form of pnr or a throw down to one of the bigs in triple threat position.

            2.throwing the ball to hibbert, randle, and kobe in the pinch post.

            3. running side pnr between one of the guards and kobe to get him in the flex action.

            4.the pg either clark or russ throwing the ball into a ig in the high post then having the other g/f come set a down screen for a littler cutting action.

            thats 4 princton plays i have seen with out going threwthe games with a fine tooth comb. but….

            your right the pricton does pride itself just like the triangle in off ball people movement. the issuse is that the bear meet and bones of the offense has been princton but they are still to new to the system to have all the 2nd, 3rd and 4th options in the offesne which is what causes people movement.

            the main reason for off ball movement in the triangle/princton is that the offense is being ran for 2 to 3 players the last two remaing players need to read the defense and get into another position that wont hurt option 1 thats being ran but can help should option fails that is were the lakers as a team are not at that point yet.

          3. Yeah, they do seem tentative and sort of awkward. I wish they would play a modified MDA run and gun, now that we have the shooters and the point guard for it.

          4. even mikes system is based off of princton action the issue is we need a triple threat bigg which we dont have

    2. Looks like favors is out (minor injury), it’s about defense which goes with transition on both ends of the floor.

  • I expect more line-up experimenting and another loss. Let’s hope Hibbert gets some help on D tonight. And for cryin’ out loud – release the Upshaw!

      1. All the Lakers played on tired legs the previous game, including Kobe. Kobe also only played the 12 minutes given, he didn’t do too bad a job honestly. Hayward was only 4-10 in 28 minutes so, I’m not worried about foot speed right now and such. I think it’s a stretch honestly. Kobe is quicker on his feet then Metta would be. Metta is just physical.

        1. True but being physical with a shooter like Hayward is the way to go. See what that white PG(forgot his name) did to Curry in the Finals? I even remember that time when Metta got into Melo grill and he struggling trying to shoot over him because Metta stayed so close to him.

          1. He wasn’t as aggressive because he had breathing problems after the first two games. He had to go to the Hospital limiting his role the rest of the Finals.

        2. I agree kobe is quicker than metta, but team defense is the key along with trust, and like you said them legs where just tired. I see a better 4 quarter, as well as a better game

    1. Typical preseason methods are to play a certain number of guys one night, a certain number another night while sitting certain players from the previous night. Next game you get a set of blend from those first 2 and those that you don’t play the 3rd you may play the 4th game, so on and so forth. This gives the coaches ample time to try different combinations and such, maximize the time these guys get so they can get some sort of rhythm going. You’ll likely see Upshaw tonight with Suckre sitting.

  • I expect more line-up experimenting and another loss. Let’s hope Hibbert gets some help on D tonight. And for cryin’ out loud – release the Upshaw!

      1. All the Lakers played on tired legs the previous game, including Kobe. Kobe also only played the 12 minutes given, he didn’t do too bad a job honestly. Hayward was only 4-10 in 28 minutes so, I’m not worried about foot speed right now and such. I think it’s a stretch honestly. Kobe is quicker on his feet then Metta would be. Metta is just physical.

        1. True but being physical with a shooter like Hayward is the way to go. See what that white PG(forgot his name) did to Curry in the Finals? I even remember that time when Metta got into Melo grill and he struggling trying to shoot over him because Metta stayed so close to him.

          1. He wasn’t as aggressive because he had breathing problems after the first two games. He had to go to the Hospital limiting his role the rest of the Finals.

        2. I agree kobe is quicker than metta, but team defense is the key along with trust, and like you said them legs where just tired. I see a better 4 quarter, as well as a better game

    1. Typical preseason methods are to play a certain number of guys one night, a certain number another night while sitting certain players from the previous night. Next game you get a set of blend from those first 2 and those that you don’t play the 3rd you may play the 4th game, so on and so forth. This gives the coaches ample time to try different combinations and such, maximize the time these guys get so they can get some sort of rhythm going. You’ll likely see Upshaw tonight with Suckre sitting.

  • Lakers.just gotta shoot and rebound better. I believe in them matha fuckers. Come on lakers wooooooo

  • Lakers.just gotta shoot and rebound better. I believe in them matha fuckers. Come on lakers wooooooo

  • Unfortunately, this isn’t the season to be “looking” for wins…need to be looking for:

    1) energy and versatility from Nance, Jr — like to see how he defends a bigger 4 like Favors…can he also defend a smaller 3?

    2) patience from Randle — physically, looks great; mentally, looks like a rookie

    3) anything from Bass — not too worried about him as he’s an established vet, but still..last game was yecch!

    4) one of the bubble players to step it up — there’s probably a reason Frazier, Holmes, and Upshaw didn’t sniff the court last game…they’ve got to show more in practice and, if they get a chance in a pre-season game, can’t squander it.

    1. Then why watch then tis seasons about wins not bust randle or youths except jc kob, wake up jc is the only realguyshowing talent along withupshawabrown whos sadly hurt played well last game dangelo and larry nance! lou nick were the oroy ones that playedwell!

        1. @Bpowell1:disqus
          Boom Shaka gave you the best reason and response brother.

          Please go back and read his response and give it a little thought.

    2. I am expecting that much like last game, Scott will use the 3rd and 4th quarter to evaluate players. I also expect that Scott will give Randle the green light to keep shooting in hopes of helping him pull out of his slump.

      In the last game, we didn’t see Frazier, Holmes, Upshaw or MWP… I think we’ll see a bit of each, especially Frazier as he’s a 3-point sharpshooter and his performance to date hasn’t reflected his amazing college stats. <- To me, a roster position is his to lose as every team needs a 3-point guy.

      At some point, Shaw has to let Upshaw play and see how he's improved in a game time situation. I expect tonight we will see that. BUT, given how he was benched last game, I suspect that it's clear to Scott that Black is the #2 center.

      And with each game, Kelly keeps growing on me. His stats last year weren't bad, and in the start of his 3rd year, things are seemingly beginning to solidify for him. I think he's a bit redundant with Nance and Holmes, but as of today he's the best player of the 3….

      Unless bass finds a higher level, the PF starting position is Randle's to lose. I admit Randle is in a slump, but Bass has proven exactly what he's all about, and it's not inspiring to think he'll be a starter. If Randle can find any sort of game in the next month, he should EASILY surpass the low bar that Bass has set.

      1. I don’t know if I’d say Randle is in a “slump” so much as he’s still finding himself — basically a rookie who took a year off. I don’t really expect significant improvement from him until December or January.

  • Unfortunately, this isn’t the season to be “looking” for wins…need to be looking for:

    1) energy and versatility from Nance, Jr — like to see how he defends a bigger 4 like Favors…can he also defend a smaller 3?

    2) patience from Randle — physically, looks great; mentally, looks like a rookie

    3) anything from Bass — not too worried about him as he’s an established vet, but still..last game was yecch!

    4) one of the bubble players to step it up — there’s probably a reason Frazier, Holmes, and Upshaw didn’t sniff the court last game…they’ve got to show more in practice and, if they get a chance in a pre-season game, can’t squander it.

    1. Then why watch then tis seasons about wins not bust randle or youths except jc kob, wake up jc is the only realguyshowing talent along withupshawabrown whos sadly hurt played well last game dangelo and larry nance! lou nick were the oroy ones that playedwell!

        1. @Bpowell1:disqus
          Boom Shaka gave you the best reason and response brother.

          Please go back and read his response and give it a little thought.

    2. I am expecting that much like last game, Scott will use the 3rd and 4th quarter to evaluate players. I also expect that Scott will give Randle the green light to keep shooting in hopes of helping him pull out of his slump.

      In the last game, we didn’t see Frazier, Holmes, Upshaw or MWP… I think we’ll see a bit of each, especially Frazier as he’s a 3-point sharpshooter and his performance to date hasn’t reflected his amazing college stats. <- To me, a roster position is his to lose as every team needs a 3-point guy.

      At some point, Shaw has to let Upshaw play and see how he's improved in a game time situation. I expect tonight we will see that. BUT, given how he was benched last game, I suspect that it's clear to Scott that Black is the #2 center.

      And with each game, Kelly keeps growing on me. His stats last year weren't bad, and in the start of his 3rd year, things are seemingly beginning to solidify for him. I think he's a bit redundant with Nance and Holmes, but as of today he's the best player of the 3….

      Unless bass finds a higher level, the PF starting position is Randle's to lose. I admit Randle is in a slump, but Bass has proven exactly what he's all about, and it's not inspiring to think he'll be a starter. If Randle can find any sort of game in the next month, he should EASILY surpass the low bar that Bass has set.

      1. I don’t know if I’d say Randle is in a “slump” so much as he’s still finding himself — basically a rookie who took a year off. I don’t really expect significant improvement from him until December or January.

  • Randle has to pass the ball, man. He has to realize he’s not a unstoppable power foward right now, and play more team game. Not atack always the ball falls in his hand. Just read the defense…
    I expect D’angelo playing the same mature game, Clarkson the same intensity and Kobe with a better touch.
    For Lou and Nick, keep playing like the last game and that’s good enough…
    I will miss Marcelo Huertas today, because we don’t have a backup PG.

        1. I’m brazilian, man. He’s a really really good player. Will be our backup PG, he’s above average.

          Look that twitter: Mike Bresnahan ‏@Mike_Bresnahan 18 h

          Há 18 horas

          Backup guard Marcelo Huertas will miss tomorrow’s exhibition because he has to go to Canada to get immigration paperwork done.

          1. I know that.

            I was asking BBQ chicken where he read that Byron doesnt like Huertas.

            Huertas is the best euro ball steve nash type of point guard.
            Huertas is very very good.

            Brazilians have allot of heart !

          2. I’m rooting for Huertas and think he’ll the next Rambo — a fan fave because of his unconventional style and that FUGLY – yet effective – shot of his.

            Unless he lays a major egg in camp, he should make the team and be a better-than-average backup.

          3. I think Huertas should start until Russell gets his shit together and surpasses him. Huertas is good. We are lucky to have him.

        1. Randle wasnt Randle because he was trying to play more team ball and slow it down a bit as he was trying to follow orders, not to mention he had no legs after Byrons workout.

          Randles defense was not as effective, but he played defense every single time. He will find his rythm and thats all that matters

          1. That’s hardly all that matters. Why would you say such a stupid thing? This is not college ball.

          2. You have the balls to call me stupid?

            You dont know me fool, dont you ever come at me like that.

          3. You bet. I have the balls to call you out for the bitch you really are. It so happens, I didn’t call you anything–I called your comment stupid. Since you bring it up, dufus, you are one dumb sumbitch.

      1. That’s total bullshit—although Byron like to pick out one guy and punish him. Why is that?

    1. Randle will come around…

      I’m more concerned with his lack of decisivness. I see him catch the bal and then spend 2 or 3 seconds holding it before he does anything.

      He need to catch the ball and then make his movie immediately

      He will start getting it

    2. Let’s use Clarkson at the point today and let JBrown and Frazier play the 2. Sit Kobe and Nick and let’s see ABrown and Nance at the 3. Or start Nick and let the other guys split time over there. Underdog at the 5. Start Kelly at the 4 and let Black and Holmes come off the bench.

  • Randle has to pass the ball, man. He has to realize he’s not a unstoppable power foward right now, and play more team game. Not atack always the ball falls in his hand. Just read the defense…
    I expect D’angelo playing the same mature game, Clarkson the same intensity and Kobe with a better touch.
    For Lou and Nick, keep playing like the last game and that’s good enough…
    I will miss Marcelo Huertas today, because we don’t have a backup PG.

        1. I’m brazilian, man. He’s a really really good player. Will be our backup PG, he’s above average.

          Look that twitter: Mike Bresnahan ‏@Mike_Bresnahan 18 h

          Há 18 horas

          Backup guard Marcelo Huertas will miss tomorrow’s exhibition because he has to go to Canada to get immigration paperwork done.

          1. I know that.

            I was asking BBQ chicken where he read that Byron doesnt like Huertas.

            Huertas is the best euro ball steve nash type of point guard.
            Huertas is very very good.

            Brazilians have allot of heart !

          2. I’m rooting for Huertas and think he’ll the next Rambo — a fan fave because of his unconventional style and that FUGLY – yet effective – shot of his.

            Unless he lays a major egg in camp, he should make the team and be a better-than-average backup.

          3. I think Huertas should start until Russell gets his shit together and surpasses him. Huertas is good. We are lucky to have him.

        2. It’s reported on Lakers.com — he’s not playing tonight to handle his immigration dox….in Canada, of all places.

        1. Randle wasnt Randle because he was trying to play more team ball and slow it down a bit as he was trying to follow orders, not to mention he had no legs after Byrons workout.

          Randles defense was not as effective, but he played defense every single time. He will find his rythm and thats all that matters

          1. That’s hardly all that matters. Why would you say such a stupid thing? This is not college ball.

          2. You have the balls to call me stupid?

            You dont know me, dont you ever come at me like that.

          3. You bet. I have the balls to call you out for the bitch you really are. It so happens, I didn’t call you anything–I called your comment stupid. Since you bring it up, dufus, you are one dumb sumbitch.

      1. That’s total bullshit—although Byron like to pick out one guy and punish him. Why is that?

    1. Randle will come around…

      I’m more concerned with his lack of decisivness. I see him catch the bal and then spend 2 or 3 seconds holding it before he does anything.

      He need to catch the ball and then make his movie immediately

      He will start getting it

    2. Let’s use Clarkson at the point today and let JBrown and Frazier play the 2. Sit Kobe and Nick and let’s see ABrown and Nance at the 3. Or start Nick and let the other guys split time over there. Underdog at the 5. Start Kelly at the 4 and let Black and Holmes come off the bench.

  • Just hoping to see Hibbert gets some help on defense tonight. If Randle is starting use that strength to box-out Favors on the defensive board. Stop worrying about the fastbreak all the time. I mean we know you can handle the ball but I would rather have Russell, Clarkson or Kobe leading the fastbreak. First you have to rebound the ball for a fastbreak to start.

    1. agreed but randle rebounded the ball well last game he had 7 in only 21m that’s about 10 in 27m which is about what randle should play per game

  • Just hoping to see Hibbert gets some help on defense tonight. If Randle is starting use that strength to box-out Favors on the defensive board. Stop worrying about the fastbreak all the time. I mean we know you can handle the ball but I would rather have Russell, Clarkson or Kobe leading the fastbreak. First you have to rebound the ball for a fastbreak to start.

    1. agreed but randle rebounded the ball well last game he had 7 in only 21m that’s about 10 in 27m which is about what randle should play per game

  • I think being on the side against endurance training is wise for this Lakers team for this simple reason; this young team and it’s veterans need more time to learn the game and gaining more familiarity playing with each other and also getting a better feel for Scott’s princeton offense. After all what is the point of running all through the preseason and the team still is not comfortable in the offense or not knowing what to do on the court.

    In making a comparison-BS needs to understand that the Showtime team was tight and had the nuances of the offense down to the T; adding endurance training to their practice was just the icing on the cake to gain a competitive edge but without the basics the team need to play as a cohesive unit then they’re going to look slow and inconsistent on offense.

    1. Exactly. If we had a bunch of veteran players who were lights out shooters but came into camp out of shape, okay…but everyone has already been getting into shape and working out all off season. Even with Byron’s insane (as well as dangerous and outdated) fitness expectations, no one missed a beat on day one of training camp. Everyone on the team looks 5 to 10 pounds lighter…it’s time to start focusing ENTIRELY on shooting as much as possible, and developing offensive and defensive chemistry.
      Oh, and adjustments to our player rotations IN GAME (depending on the other team’s play) would be nice as well…

  • I think being on the side against endurance training is wise for this Lakers team for this simple reason; this young team and it’s veterans need more time to learn the game and gaining more familiarity playing with each other and also getting a better feel for Scott’s princeton offense. After all what is the point of running all through the preseason and the team still is not comfortable in the offense or not knowing what to do on the court.

    In making a comparison-BS needs to understand that the Showtime team was tight and had the nuances of the offense down to the T; adding endurance training to their practice was just the icing on the cake to gain a competitive edge but without the basics the team need to play as a cohesive unit then they’re going to look slow and inconsistent on offense.

    1. Exactly. If we had a bunch of veteran players who were lights out shooters but came into camp out of shape, okay…but everyone has already been getting into shape and working out all off season. Even with Byron’s insane (as well as dangerous and outdated) fitness expectations, no one missed a beat on day one of training camp. Everyone on the team looks 5 to 10 pounds lighter…it’s time to start focusing ENTIRELY on shooting as much as possible, and developing offensive and defensive chemistry.
      Oh, and adjustments to our player rotations IN GAME (depending on the other team’s play) would be nice as well…

  • I don’t see how we were bad in the first half of the game 2 days ago. Our starters was keeping up in the game with a top-5 defense in the Bucks(was number 1 after the all-star break last season). When we let our starters rest that’s when the game got bad, plus the Bucks played their starters longer than us. Let these players build more chemistry with each other. Other teams better watch out!

    1. No doubt our starters held their own and then some in the first half; the second unit played most of the second half.

      1. our starters had a 4 point lead vs them in the first half.

        it was our top ten roation that got us our 15 point lead and our third stringers lost it

        1. I think it’s worth mentioning that the Jazz ended last year with one of the best defenses. And if our starters out played them, it’s a good sign.

          – Hollow victories in preseason.

        2. We only played 12 players, and 2 of those players only played a couple minutes. Byron mostly trotted out the same 10 guys all game, so our bench lost the lead.

          1. we played Kelly and scare and a brown those players wont get any pt in the regular season that’s 3 3rd stringers

          2. What bothers me isn’t so much that we PLAYED Kelly, Sacre or Brown, even though I would dump all three and bring in other guys to compete for roster spots, but that we played them OVER players I VASTLY prefer in Holmes, Frazier, Nance and Upshaw. It scares me and makes me think that Byron already has his rotations basically figured out (if there’s a time to experiment with rotations and player combinations, it’s the first preseason game…right???) and now he’s just fine tuning which combinations he wants amongst those 10 main players…

          3. I believe hes going to do the old fashioned thing of scare ,Kelly brown played last game and now Upshaw nance holms and frazier will play tonight.

          4. Too stodgy and predictable for my taste. I would be licking my chops with all of the possible roster combinations I could freely experiment with…not to mention that I feel this way because Byron is a stubborn and predictable guy who tends to play tight rotations and exclude players randomly…It’s just tiring. A good coach uses every tool at his disposal, and is ALWAYS adjusting his substitution patterns to fit the opponent, match-up and situation. Byron just comes up with a rotation, and then sticks with it. We need some versatility and improvisation from the coaching staff FFS.

          5. I agree 100% as a coach my self when I have preseason meaningless games I sit my projected starters for the first game or two to play my extra players before the cuts to see who I like.
            if I coached in the nba I would sit my players like kobe, mwp, hibbert, young, and Williams the first 3 to 4 games to look at only my young players before making cuts at game 4 and running my normal rotation thre the last 4 to 5 games

          6. What does that say about Byron’s coaching ability that you and I can come up with a better approach to developing this Lakers roster? He was a fine player, and his contribution to the Lakers franchise is greatly appreciated, but he’s just not a good head coach. Most highly skilled players aren’t. They’re too used to following their own formula for success to adapt to a group goal mindset.

  • I don’t see how we were bad in the first half of the game 2 days ago. Our starters was keeping up in the game with a top-5 defense in the Jazz(was number 1 after the all-star break last season). When we let our starters rest that’s when the game got bad, plus the Bucks played their starters longer than us. Let these players build more chemistry with each other. Other teams better watch out!

    1. No doubt our starters held their own and then some in the first half; the second unit played most of the second half.

      1. our starters had a 4 point lead vs them in the first half.

        it was our top ten roation that got us our 15 point lead and our third stringers lost it

        1. I think it’s worth mentioning that the Jazz ended last year with one of the best defenses. And if our starters out played them, it’s a good sign.

          – Hollow victories in preseason.

        2. We only played 12 players, and 2 of those players only played a couple minutes. Byron mostly trotted out the same 10 guys all game, so our bench lost the lead.

          1. we played Kelly and scare and a brown those players wont get any pt in the regular season that’s 3 3rd stringers

          2. What bothers me isn’t so much that we PLAYED Kelly, Sacre or Brown, even though I would dump all three and bring in other guys to compete for roster spots, but that we played them OVER players I VASTLY prefer in Holmes, Frazier, Nance and Upshaw. It scares me and makes me think that Byron already has his rotations basically figured out (if there’s a time to experiment with rotations and player combinations, it’s the first preseason game…right???) and now he’s just fine tuning which combinations he wants amongst those 10 main players…

          3. I believe hes going to do the old fashioned thing of scare ,Kelly brown played last game and now Upshaw nance holms and frazier will play tonight.

          4. Too stodgy and predictable for my taste. I would be licking my chops with all of the possible roster combinations I could freely experiment with…not to mention that I feel this way because Byron is a stubborn and predictable guy who tends to play tight rotations and exclude players randomly…It’s just tiring. A good coach uses every tool at his disposal, and is ALWAYS adjusting his substitution patterns to fit the opponent, match-up and situation. Byron just comes up with a rotation, and then sticks with it. We need some versatility and improvisation from the coaching staff FFS.

          5. I agree 100% as a coach my self when I have preseason meaningless games I sit my projected starters for the first game or two to play my extra players before the cuts to see who I like.
            if I coached in the nba I would sit my players like kobe, mwp, hibbert, young, and Williams the first 3 to 4 games to look at only my young players before making cuts at game 4 and running my normal rotation thre the last 4 to 5 games

          6. What does that say about Byron’s coaching ability that you and I can come up with a better approach to developing this Lakers roster? He was a fine player, and his contribution to the Lakers franchise is greatly appreciated, but he’s just not a good head coach. Most highly skilled players aren’t. They’re too used to following their own formula for success to adapt to a group goal mindset.

  • I’ve always liked Kelly, he has a solid rookie year and has mad skills and iq but his injury and athleticism give him too far of a setback. I hope he can play consistent which is ultimately why a lot of guys have nba talent/ skill but arent good enough to play in the nba.

    1. Kelly had me fooled his rookie year as well…However, his shooting is the only genuine NBA level skill he possesses, and unfortunately his shot abandons him far too often for him to be valuable in the NBA, let alone to a rebuilding team like the Lakers.

        1. Who would you cut to keep Kelly? Upshaw? Holmes? Frazier? I would say MWP, but I think we are (sadly) locked into keeping him for some stupid reason…None of the young prospects are as one dimensional as Kelly. We have to stop reaching for what isn’t there. Kelly had 2 seasons. He has regressed. Dump him. Unless you (please oh please) dump MWP instead…the man has lost his net positive value.

          1. I would cut scare for Upshaw and let the rest of the roster fall were it may.
            I don’t understand the mwp signing either to me he should be in the worthy coaching spot too not a optional player

          2. I was operating under the assumption that Upshaw replaces Sacre…I mean, which has more value? Sacre has the same kind of skillset and playing style, but with no upside left to his game. Upshaw is all UPside. We don’t need polished reserves with limited abilities at the end of our bench, we need hungry athletes with lots of potential to tap into…

  • I’ve always liked Kelly, he had a solid rookie year and has mad skills and iq but his injury and athleticism give him too far of a setback. I hope he can play consistent which is ultimately why a lot of guys with nba talent/ skill arent good enough to play in the nba.

    1. Kelly had me fooled his rookie year as well…However, his shooting is the only genuine NBA level skill he possesses, and unfortunately his shot abandons him far too often for him to be valuable in the NBA, let alone to a rebuilding team like the Lakers.

        1. Who would you cut to keep Kelly? Upshaw? Holmes? Frazier? I would say MWP, but I think we are (sadly) locked into keeping him for some stupid reason…None of the young prospects are as one dimensional as Kelly. We have to stop reaching for what isn’t there. Kelly had 2 seasons. He has regressed. Dump him. Unless you (please oh please) dump MWP instead…the man has lost his net positive value.

          1. I would cut scare for Upshaw and let the rest of the roster fall were it may.
            I don’t understand the mwp signing either to me he should be in the worthy coaching spot too not a optional player

          2. I was operating under the assumption that Upshaw replaces Sacre…I mean, which has more value? Sacre has the same kind of skillset and playing style, but with no upside left to his game. Upshaw is all UPside. We don’t need polished reserves with limited abilities at the end of our bench, we need hungry athletes with lots of potential to tap into…

      1. Sacre is not trash, he just has no more upside. He’s a decent #3 big…if this were 1998. In the modern game, he just doesn’t fit.

        1. agreed I did not mean to come off as talking bad about him but he does not fit the needs of this team a contender like say the clippers would be great for him

          1. I agree…I’ve been saying for years now that Sacre is best served as a #3 big on a playoff team. He is not a “potential” type of player, he’s a lunch pale, hard hat reserve who needs talent around him to show any value.

  • Frankly speaking, I think the Lakers has a huge problem with our starting line up. We have too many players who are comfortable with the ball in their hands. Kobe, Russell, Randle and even Clarkson are all ball handlers. Without balls in their hand, you’re taking away their biggest arsenal and looks completely useless.

    We lacks of 3-point specialist, lock down wing defender and a shot blocking PF to compliment Hibbert. Unfortunately, we lost Ed Davis who would be perfect alongside Hibbert. Imagine Russell and Davis PnR. Lob city all day long!

    I would trade Randle for Winslow/Stanley in a heart beat but I know that’s impossible. Heat/Pistons would never do that deal because they know it’s a bad deal for them. It’s too much uncertainty around Randle and to be honest, I’m starting to feel nervous.

    Yes, I know a lot of people keep on saying, it’s too early to judge especially during the Summer League games but ask yourself this, if he failed to impress against other rookies, what are the chances that he will excel vs the pros in NBA? Remember, people said the same thing about Anthony Bennett. Lets hope Randle won’t turn out to be a bust.

    1. I really do hope Randle has a breakout game tonight. Because he is looking more and more like a bust.

          1. The game is at 9pm PST, AKA 12 midnight EST. ESPN lists by EST (Bristol, Connecticut). This means the Lakers play on Tuesday on the West Coast, Mountain and Central time, and on Wednesday on the East coast…I hope this clears things up.

          2. ty makes more sense now. I kinda got it after lokking on nba .com but I was still confused

          3. Technically he’s right. Places like ESPN and such display times in EST not PST. Here it’s advertised for PST.

          4. i know which is why im confused. could it be because they are going by east coast time and it would start at 12am on the east coast? so it is the 7th on the east coast?

      1. If he continues with his dribble penetration, he will get exposed again. As simple as that. NBA players are faster, stronger and bigger than those in college. Randle in college looks like a giant but not in NBA. He will not be able to impose his strength or force his way into the paint like in college.

        I think he should study Z-Bo’s game and stick close to the paint rather than trying to dribble every single time.

        1. his off the dribble game could work on this lvl if he gets better at going right away. right now when he gets the ball it takes him a sec or two to make up his mind on what he wants to do. he needs to stop over thinking and just play.

      2. Add Russell to the list of guys making me nervous. I am always wary of players marketed on “potential”…most of the time it means they’re not where they need to be right now, and I’m a show me kind of guy. Right now, Russell looks like Ricky Rubio 2.0, a flashy passer with high turnover numbers who can’t shoot, defend or create a shot for himself but who the fans love because of his 4 or 5 great passes in a 48 minute game.
        To me, I prefer the measured surgical approach of someone like John Stockton or Steve Nash…they were pure shooters (Stockton was even an above average defender, unlike Nash) who didn’t have to hide the glaring fundamental holes in their game. It’s early, but LA might have whiffed on BOTH of their lottery picks…
        And will someone PLEASE tell Byron to mix the rotations up…FFS he didn’t play 4 of my most eagerly anticipated young prospects (Upshaw, Holmes, Frazier and Larry Nance Jr.) opting instead to just throw the same disjointed and mismatched hodge-podge bench group out for the entire 4th quarter.
        When I saw Byron’s roster rotation tunnel vision in the first half, I got irritated. When the Jazz started coming back in the 3rd quarter, while we failed to make adjustments to strategy or substitutions patterns (or play the young prospects) I said to myself that we’d lose by 15+…this was when we were still up 6.
        Byron’s got to go. I know it’s early, but he doesn’t have what it takes. Between his total lack of adjustment or pliability in games, to his running the players ragged in practice and then rubbing salt in their wounds to the media…he’s just not the kind of coach that a modern team needs to be successful in this league.

        1. I would love to see tibs as our coach. he is a great defensive mind that cant coach offense with the offense this team has buikt into it I believe he would be great

          1. He’s a flash in the pan. One dimensional coaches get exposed eventually, no matter how good they are on one side of the ball. His offensive coaching just doesn’t fit the modern game. He’s an old fashioned type of east coast coach…defense and rebounding first, slow the tempo and protect the rim. I want an innovator who can bring expertise and cunning to BOTH sides of the ball. Someone who thinks the game through observation and analysis, not philosophy first. Tibs is a very good defensive mind, but his strength is in adherence to a system built on a philosophy…I want someone like Bill Belichik. No set philosophy or style, just tailor each game plan to the current opponent, and never stay put…always reinvent and readjust. Use advanced analysis and strategy to determine adjustments, and keep evolving your understanding of the current competitive landscape.

          2. the reason i like tibbs is because we have enough offense defense is our biggest weakness

        2. Totally agree. I could go on about Scott’s incompetence as a coach, but I’m too tired at the moment. It will become evident mid-season that he is not the coach this team needs.

          On Russell though, I still see improvement and progress in his game- which I do not with Randle. I’d even say Randle has regressed since last preseason to the point where I’m questioning his overall mentality. To me, Russell can become a Rondo type PG with the ability to score. His shot looks fine, I think he just needs to get comfortable with the NBA distance. I’m not too concerned with any other aspect of his play. We know his passing and BB IQ is top notch. Many of his turnovers are a result of him seeing openings his teammates don’t. I expect that to come with time as they build chemistry.

      3. Randle doesn’t need a breakout game. It’s preseason. He had his preseason games last year, he had 1 game during the regular season and now his first preseason game back after being out all last year, you’re expecting these big results? Time to temper early expectations and get realistic. Stretch your expectations and wait until February before making any real assessments. The guy needs time to get his feet wet, get acclimated again to the game, learn the system, learn his teammates, learn what he can and cannot do, adjust to NBA level talent, etc. There is so much that goes overlooked. Be patient.

        1. He hasn’t displayed anything remotely impressive. Say what you will, but he needs to show something and NOW. He’s a potential starter FFS. At some point the concern becomes legitimate.

          1. FFS? FFS? Really? No, he does not need to display something NOW. What he needs to do is utilize preseason to figure things out. He needs to do EXACTLY what I mentioned above. Just because he is a starter doesn’t mean he needs to be all worldly. What YOU need to do is temper your expectations, understand that this is virtually his “rookie” season and have rookie expectations of him. Let him find his way, find his path and learn to slow down and learn when to speed up, all of it. He needs playing time, he needs reps, he needs to develop continuity with his fellow teammates, he needs to do a lot of things. That isn’t going to come together overnight just because YOU demand it. The concerns don’t become legitimate in preseason, they don’t become legitimate at the start of the season. You start to ask questions around the All Star break. You hope he shows something by the end of the season. This isn’t a Lakers team that is going to be competing for a championship now. They’re not exactly expected to compete for the playoffs, and that’s fine as well. This is a team that needs to develop and grow. Find out who their core is going to be going forward. There are a lot of question marks about this team and Randle is only one. They’re only going to be answered with time and patience. Randle did plenty that I liked previous game. Stayed out of foul trouble, pulled down some rebounds, missed some makeable shots and was a bully in the lane. The shots will fall, the game will slow down for him, he’ll find his rhythm and his place in the offense. It’s going to take “TIME”.

    2. 1.you dont need a shot blocking pf next to hibbert.

      2. agree with the to many starters better with ball. but i dont count randle in that.

      3. i dont like starting russ and clark

      1. 1. Yes, we need a shot blocking PF who can jump and fast to cover for Hibbert. Don’t get me wrong, Hibbert is a great shot blocker but with the league becoming faster as ever, Hibbert doesn’t have the speed to keep up and a shot blocking PF will give him protection. Plus, what if Hibbert has to defend a C who can shoot 3. We will get expose with Randle in the paint alone. If we switch him over with Randle, imagine Randle defend against Kaminsky, Marc Gasol, Pau Gasol, Duncan, etc. With his 7’0″ wingspan, he won’t be able to block any of them.

        2. Randle looks more like a point-forward than a typical PF. His favorite move is dribble penetration which mean that he doesn’t rely on PG to setup his play.

        3. Russell should start but not Clarkson unless Kobe is retired. Russell always takes time to adapt just like in HS and college. If we put him at the bench, he will never gain experience and grow his game/confident just like Clarkson last season.

        1. please name another team with two shot blocking bigs even the pacers started west who is not a shot blocker

          1. ok I will go threw last seasons playoff teams.
            1.gsw starts boget(shot blocker) green(not a shot blocker) does not have two starting shot blockers.
            2. hou howard (is) jones (is not). does not start two shot blockers.
            3. lac. dj (is) bg (is not) does not start two shot blockers
            4. por. idk not shur yet so cant comment
            5.mem. marc yes. zbo no. does not start two shot blockers
            6. sas. dunckan (is) la is not. does not start two shot blockers
            7.dal. dirk no, zaza no does not start any shot blockers
            8. nop, davis yes. asik yes.
            out of the top 8 teams in last years west playoff only 1 started two shot blockers.
            so again no you don’t start two shot blockers

          2. draymond green makes effort to block and thats what we need to see from randle

          3. I have nothing against Hibbert but we are talking about small ball teams like GSW, Cavs, etc who are playing at a really fast pace. Hibbert doesn’t have the speed to keep up unless we have a really great coach who can mask Hibbert’s weaknesses. Last time I checked, Byron is nowhere near Pop’s level.

          4. Exactly. Yes, Randle has better talent compare to Davis but if we are building a championship team, we need a team that compliment each others. It’s hard enough to build a team around 1 player, let alone 4 (Kobe, Russell, Clarkson and Randle).

          5. hopefully nance is that guy..he has to be that guy lol next to hibbert real talk

          6. I like his hustle play although I don’t see much development since we drafted him. Another concern is his height if he’s playing at PF. Yes, I know there are guys at 6’7 (Draymond) & 6’8 (LeBron) who can play C but how many of them out there. Only 2 out of hundreds.

      2. you do need a shot blocking pf next to hibbert cj favors had a good game that cant happen again

          1. we need shot blocking which means stop the ball from going in favors nearly had a double double smh

          2. on bad defense we don’t need shot blocking hibbert should get 2-3 blocks per game we had more blocks then the jazz did last game. blocking shots is not the issue basic defensive roations is/was

          3. no I expect the team to play defense. blocking shots is not the only metric of defense

      1. Who can blame him? The Lakers offer him nothing. I wouldn’t stick around waiting for uncertainty when someone offer me a guaranteed contract. The Lakers look like a feeder team; develop a player and then let them go via free agency. What are we, a D-League team?

        1. I’m just very petty. Any player who leaves (that I somewhat like) I put on my shit list. D-league team? Yes, kinda. I said the same thing. We are now the team players go to show off their skills to get bigger and better deals with other teams. Thank the FO for that.

      1. Sacre is not trash, he just has no more upside. He’s a decent #3 big…if this were 1998. In the modern game, he just doesn’t fit.

        1. agreed I did not mean to come off as talking bad about him but he does not fit the needs of this team a contender like say the clippers would be great for him

          1. I agree…I’ve been saying for years now that Sacre is best served as a #3 big on a playoff team. He is not a “potential” type of player, he’s a lunch pale, hard hat reserve who needs talent around him to show any value.

  • Frankly speaking, I think the Lakers has a huge problem with our starting line up. We have too many players who are comfortable with the ball in their hands. Kobe, Russell, Randle and even Clarkson are all ball handlers. Without balls in their hand, you’re taking away their biggest arsenal and looks completely useless.

    We lacks of 3-point specialist, lock down wing defender and a shot blocking PF to compliment Hibbert. Unfortunately, we lost Ed Davis who would be perfect alongside Hibbert. Imagine Russell and Davis PnR. Lob city all day long!

    I would trade Randle for Winslow/Stanley in a heart beat but I know that’s impossible. Heat/Pistons would never do that deal because they know it’s a bad deal for them. It’s too much uncertainty around Randle and to be honest, I’m starting to feel nervous.

    Yes, I know a lot of people keep on saying, it’s too early to judge especially during the Summer League games but ask yourself this, if he failed to impress against other rookies, what are the chances that he will excel vs the pros in NBA? Remember, people said the same thing about Anthony Bennett. Lets hope Randle won’t turn out to be a bust.

    1. I really do hope Randle has a breakout game tonight. Because he is looking more and more like a bust.

          1. The game is at 9pm PST, AKA 12 midnight EST. ESPN lists by EST (Bristol, Connecticut). This means the Lakers play on Tuesday on the West Coast, Mountain and Central time, and on Wednesday on the East coast…I hope this clears things up.

          2. ty makes more sense now. I kinda got it after lokking on nba .com but I was still confused

          3. Technically he’s right. Places like ESPN and such display times in EST not PST. Here it’s advertised for PST.

          4. i know which is why im confused. could it be because they are going by east coast time and it would start at 12am on the east coast? so it is the 7th on the east coast?

      1. If he continues with his dribble penetration, he will get exposed again. As simple as that. NBA players are faster, stronger and bigger than those in college. Randle in college looks like a giant but not in NBA. He will not be able to impose his strength or force his way into the paint like in college.

        I think he should study Z-Bo’s game and stick close to the paint rather than trying to dribble every single time.

        1. his off the dribble game could work on this lvl if he gets better at going right away. right now when he gets the ball it takes him a sec or two to make up his mind on what he wants to do. he needs to stop over thinking and just play.

      2. Add Russell to the list of guys making me nervous. I am always wary of players marketed on “potential”…most of the time it means they’re not where they need to be right now, and I’m a show me kind of guy. Right now, Russell looks like Ricky Rubio 2.0, a flashy passer with high turnover numbers who can’t shoot, defend or create a shot for himself but who the fans love because of his 4 or 5 great passes in a 48 minute game.
        To me, I prefer the measured surgical approach of someone like John Stockton or Steve Nash…they were pure shooters (Stockton was even an above average defender, unlike Nash) who didn’t have to hide the glaring fundamental holes in their game. It’s early, but LA might have whiffed on BOTH of their lottery picks…
        And will someone PLEASE tell Byron to mix the rotations up…FFS he didn’t play 4 of my most eagerly anticipated young prospects (Upshaw, Holmes, Frazier and Larry Nance Jr.) opting instead to just throw the same disjointed and mismatched hodge-podge bench group out for the entire 4th quarter.
        When I saw Byron’s predictable, stagnant player rotation tunnel vision in the first half, I got irritated. When the Jazz started coming back in the 3rd quarter, while we failed to make adjustments to strategy or substitution patterns (or play the young prospects) I said to myself that we’d lose by 15+…this was when we were still up 6.
        Byron’s got to go. I know it’s early, but he doesn’t have what it takes. Between his total lack of adjustment or pliability in games, to his running the players ragged in practice and then rubbing salt in their wounds to the media…he’s just not the kind of coach that a modern team needs to be successful in this league…and that’s not even mentioning his resistance to advanced statistical analytics, or the obvious inherent advantage that shooting prowess has over all other attributes. We don’t need someone desperately clinging to an old culture and philosophy, hell bent on vindicating and recreating a style of basketball that has long since outlived it’s effectiveness, as our leader of the future. Find an advanced thinker who adapts well in game and between games (and between seasons)…not these tired retreads still trying to prove themselves out of ego and nostalgia.

        1. I would love to see tibs as our coach. he is a great defensive mind that cant coach offense with the offense this team has buikt into it I believe he would be great

          1. He’s a flash in the pan. One dimensional coaches get exposed eventually, no matter how good they are on one side of the ball. His offensive coaching just doesn’t fit the modern game. He’s an old fashioned type of east coast coach…defense and rebounding first, slow the tempo and protect the rim. I want an innovator who can bring expertise and cunning to BOTH sides of the ball. Someone who thinks the game through observation and analysis, not philosophy first. Tibs is a very good defensive mind, but his strength is in adherence to a system built on a philosophy…I want someone like Bill Belichik. No set philosophy or style, just tailor each game plan to the current opponent, and never stay put…always reinvent and readjust. Use advanced analysis and strategy to determine adjustments, and keep evolving your understanding of the current competitive landscape.

          2. the reason i like tibbs is because we have enough offense defense is our biggest weakness

        2. Totally agree. I could go on about Scott’s incompetence as a coach, but I’m too tired at the moment. It will become evident mid-season that he is not the coach this team needs.

          On Russell though, I still see improvement and progress in his game- which I do not with Randle. I’d even say Randle has regressed since last preseason to the point where I’m questioning his overall mentality. To me, Russell can become a Rondo type PG with the ability to score. His shot looks fine, I think he just needs to get comfortable with the NBA distance. I’m not too concerned with any other aspect of his play. We know his passing and BB IQ is top notch. Many of his turnovers are a result of him seeing openings his teammates don’t. I expect that to come with time as they build chemistry.

      3. Randle doesn’t need a breakout game. It’s preseason. He had his preseason games last year, he had 1 game during the regular season and now his first preseason game back after being out all last year, you’re expecting these big results? Time to temper early expectations and get realistic. Stretch your expectations and wait until February before making any real assessments. The guy needs time to get his feet wet, get acclimated again to the game, learn the system, learn his teammates, learn what he can and cannot do, adjust to NBA level talent, etc. There is so much that goes overlooked. Be patient.

        1. He hasn’t displayed anything remotely impressive. Say what you will, but he needs to show something and NOW. He’s a potential starter FFS. At some point the concern becomes legitimate.

          1. FFS? FFS? Really? No, he does not need to display something NOW. What he needs to do is utilize preseason to figure things out. He needs to do EXACTLY what I mentioned above. Just because he is a starter doesn’t mean he needs to be all worldly. What YOU need to do is temper your expectations, understand that this is virtually his “rookie” season and have rookie expectations of him. Let him find his way, find his path and learn to slow down and learn when to speed up, all of it. He needs playing time, he needs reps, he needs to develop continuity with his fellow teammates, he needs to do a lot of things. That isn’t going to come together overnight just because YOU demand it. The concerns don’t become legitimate in preseason, they don’t become legitimate at the start of the season. You start to ask questions around the All Star break. You hope he shows something by the end of the season. This isn’t a Lakers team that is going to be competing for a championship now. They’re not exactly expected to compete for the playoffs, and that’s fine as well. This is a team that needs to develop and grow. Find out who their core is going to be going forward. There are a lot of question marks about this team and Randle is only one. They’re only going to be answered with time and patience. Randle did plenty that I liked previous game. Stayed out of foul trouble, pulled down some rebounds, missed some makeable shots and was a bully in the lane. The shots will fall, the game will slow down for him, he’ll find his rhythm and his place in the offense. It’s going to take “TIME”.

    2. 1.you dont need a shot blocking pf next to hibbert.

      2. agree with the to many starters better with ball. but i dont count randle in that.

      3. i dont like starting russ and clark

      1. 1. Yes, we need a shot blocking PF who can jump and fast to cover for Hibbert. Don’t get me wrong, Hibbert is a great shot blocker but with the league becoming faster as ever, Hibbert doesn’t have the speed to keep up and a shot blocking PF will give him protection. Plus, what if Hibbert has to defend a C who can shoot 3. We will get expose with Randle in the paint alone. If we switch him over with Randle, imagine Randle defend against Kaminsky, Marc Gasol, Pau Gasol, Duncan, etc. With his 7’0″ wingspan, he won’t be able to block any of them.

        2. Randle looks more like a point-forward than a typical PF. His favorite move is dribble penetration which mean that he doesn’t rely on PG to setup his play.

        3. Russell should start but not Clarkson unless Kobe is retired. Russell always takes time to adapt just like in HS and college. If we put him at the bench, he will never gain experience and grow his game/confident just like Clarkson last season.

        1. please name another team with two shot blocking bigs even the pacers started west who is not a shot blocker

          1. ok I will go threw last seasons playoff teams.
            1.gsw starts boget(shot blocker) green(not a shot blocker) does not have two starting shot blockers.
            2. hou howard (is) jones (is not). does not start two shot blockers.
            3. lac. dj (is) bg (is not) does not start two shot blockers
            4. por. idk not shur yet so cant comment
            5.mem. marc yes. zbo no. does not start two shot blockers
            6. sas. dunckan (is) la is not. does not start two shot blockers
            7.dal. dirk no, zaza no does not start any shot blockers
            8. nop, davis yes. asik yes.
            out of the top 8 teams in last years west playoff only 1 started two shot blockers.
            so again no you don’t start two shot blockers

          2. draymond green makes effort to block and thats what we need to see from randle

          3. I have nothing against Hibbert but we are talking about small ball teams like GSW, Cavs, etc who are playing at a really fast pace. Hibbert doesn’t have the speed to keep up unless we have a really great coach who can mask Hibbert’s weaknesses. Last time I checked, Byron is nowhere near Pop’s level.

          4. Exactly. Yes, Randle has better talent compare to Davis but if we are building a championship team, we need a team that compliment each others. It’s hard enough to build a team around 1 player, let alone 4 (Kobe, Russell, Clarkson and Randle).

          5. hopefully nance is that guy..he has to be that guy lol next to hibbert real talk

          6. I like his hustle play although I don’t see much development since we drafted him. Another concern is his height if he’s playing at PF. Yes, I know there are guys at 6’7 (Draymond) & 6’8 (LeBron) who can play C but how many of them out there. Only 2 out of hundreds.

      2. you do need a shot blocking pf next to hibbert cj favors had a good game that cant happen again

          1. we need shot blocking which means stop the ball from going in favors nearly had a double double smh

          2. on bad defense we don’t need shot blocking hibbert should get 2-3 blocks per game we had more blocks then the jazz did last game. blocking shots is not the issue basic defensive roations is/was

          3. no I expect the team to play defense. blocking shots is not the only metric of defense

      1. Who can blame him? The Lakers offer him nothing. I wouldn’t stick around waiting for uncertainty when someone offer me a guaranteed contract. The Lakers look like a feeder team; develop a player and then let them go via free agency. What are we, a D-League team?

        1. I’m just very petty. Any player who leaves (that I somewhat like) I put on my shit list. D-league team? Yes, kinda. I said the same thing. We are now the team players go to show off their skills to get bigger and better deals with other teams. Thank the FO for that.

  • Things I’m Watching:
    First off… I’m watching to see how Scott and the team adjusts and fixes the transition defense. This is mainly to see how the team will react and learn.

    Tonight I’m mostly focusing on HOW Scott uses the rotations. I see that this team has a lot of exciting offense and a bit of “Showtime.” I see that if the team is playing at its highest level it can compete with any team in the league. Between Kobe, Clarkson, Williams, and Young (and supporting cast) they have sufficient firepower. BUT, can they sustain it every night and find a way to keep it consistent? <- This is what I'm watching.

    It's interesting to see the quiet contributions that Hibbert adds on offense. Most believe he's non-existent, but it was interesting to see him work in the post, draw a double team, and then kick the ball out…. We were promised defense, but Hibbert's contributions on offense are already noticeable despite how it seems in the box score.

    I'm not focusing on defense much. To me, with Hibbert and a bit of focus the team can be average and competent (aka "middle of the pack"). I'm not sure it will be an elite defense this year, but it won't be in the league's worst. And as such, I'm not going to pay much attention to it as it could obviously be better, but it's not the biggest problem either. I do think,however, by the end of the season it could be in the top half of the league overall.

    I'm not paying much attention to the second half of the bench. This includes Nance, Brown1, Brown2, Upshaw, and Holmes. It's relatively obvious that this team will be centered around 8-9 guys. I am keeping an eye them as they are the future and should be able to contribute after the All Star game, but realistically they will have almost nothing to do with the team before February.

    Out of curiousity, I'll be paying more attention to Kelly. I think he's finally achieved the point where he can be a role player and contributor. Obviously the team is playing him out of position for the sake of experience, but he's starting to be good enough that he could cause problems when the final roster cuts are made (if he's not traded before).

    Guys who are on the bubble:
    Frazier – Unless he plays himself OUT of a roster spot, he should be a lock.
    JBrown – On my depth chart, I don't see any spot for him UNLESS one other guy on the bubble happens to slip.
    Holmes – He's my candidate to be the team's 1 "designated" safe player in the DLeague with hopes he can be brought up this season.
    Upshaw – The #3 center spot is his to lose.
    Sacre – Upshaw has to look really bad. But, at the same time, Sacre isn't bad… he's just not good.

  • Things I’m Watching:
    First off… I’m watching to see how Scott and the team adjusts and fixes the transition defense. This is mainly to see how the team will react and learn to overcome a major weakness shown in the first game.

    Tonight I’m mostly focusing on HOW Scott uses the rotations. I see that this team has a lot of exciting offense and a bit of “Showtime.” I see that if the team is playing at its highest level it can compete (offensively) with any team in the league. Between Kobe, Clarkson, Williams, and Young (and supporting cast) they have sufficient firepower. BUT, can they sustain it every night and find a way to keep it consistent? <- This is what I'm watching.

    Randle and Russell….
    I’m not paying much attention to them. They are obviously rookies. And the starting position for BOTH is theirs to lose. BUT despite being staters by name, the team will need to rely on the bench depth to help maintain a constent contribution from their positions this year, and while they start on the floor, they might not end the game on the floor if they aren’t playing well.

    Randle looks like he’s in a slump and needs to find confidence, and Russell seems to be competent enough not to be a major liability. So, outside of watching them grow, they seem to be *about* where they should be and nit-picking their growth seems like wasted energy. <- I know, Randle can't be in a "slump" because he's a rookie, but he's playing like a veteran IN A SLUMP, and for whatever reason his shot isn't falling like it should and is expected to.

    Hibbert…
    It’s interesting to see the quiet contributions that Hibbert adds on offense. Most believe he’s non-existent, but it was interesting to see him work in the post, draw a double team, and then kick the ball out…. We were promised defense, but Hibbert’s contributions on offense are already noticeable despite how it seems in the box score. <- This is the difference between a legitimate NBA starter and a backup moonlighting as a starter.

    Defense…
    I’m not focusing on defense much. To me, with Hibbert and a bit of focus the team can be average and competent (aka “middle of the pack”). I’m not sure it will be an elite defense this year, but it won’t be in the league’s worst. And as such, I’m not going to pay much attention to it as it could obviously be better, but it’s not the biggest problem either. I do think,however, by the end of the season it could be in the top half of the league overall.

    Deep Bench & Rookies….
    I’m not paying much attention to the second half of the bench. This includes Nance, Brown1, Brown2, Upshaw, and Holmes. It’s relatively obvious that this team will be centered around the top 8-9 guys. I am keeping an eye them as they are the future and should be able to contribute after the All Star game, but realistically they will have almost nothing to do with the team before February.

    Kelly conundrum….
    Out of curiousity, I’ll be paying more attention to Kelly. I think he’s finally achieved the point where he can be a role player and contributor. Obviously the team is playing him out of position for the sake of experience, but he’s starting to be good enough that he could cause problems when the final roster cuts are made (if he’s not traded before).

    Guys who are on the bubble:
    Frazier – Unless he plays himself OUT of a roster spot, he should be a lock. It’s hard to imagine that a college guy with amazingly high PROVEN results across 4 years suddenly forgets how to shoot a ball….

    JBrown – On my depth chart, I don’t see any spot for him UNLESS one other guy on the bubble happens to slip. He’s a casualty of a 15-man cap and too many guys in his playing position, not anything else.

    Holmes – He’s my candidate to be the team’s 1 “designated” safe player in the DLeague with hopes he can be brought up this season.

    Upshaw – The #3 center spot is his to lose.

    Sacre – Upshaw has to look really bad. But, at the same time, Sacre isn’t bad… he’s just not good. And in the current Lakers situation, it’s a bit of a waste to have a 4-year veteran who is *realistically* only a practice squad body, and not use his roster spot to groom future talent.

  • I expect another loss, non existent defense and lots of ball hogging. Randle is like a one trick pony out there. He is going to be constantly injured if he doesn’t start using his brain out there on the court. Jabari Brown needs to be cut. Nance Jr. surprised me in Summer League so I look forward to seeing him play tonight.

    1. We built a team based on the best talents available. Not really what the team needs. Randle’s game is really limited. Kinda regret we didn’t take Lavine, Payton or Vonleh. Heck, even McDermott seems to be a better choice since we don’t have a 3-point specialist.

      1. randle is better suited playing small forward he loves to shoot but doesnt want to protect the paint..gets very lazy in the paint relying on hibbert

        1. Strange. We agree on Randle. Except he has no 3-ball. I said before we drafted him that he would have a much harder time in the NBA since he always tried to out-muscle smaller guys in college. Yes, try to teach him the 3, by all means.

        2. The problem with SF position, I’m not sure if Randle is quick enough to defend someone like KD, Wiggins, LeBron, etc. And Randle doesn’t hit 3 consistently. Going to be tough to be a tweener.

      2. I won’t jump to that conclusion yet as I see glimpses of talent in Randle. He just needs to move instinctively instead of overthinking every move. Lavine would have been nice but we have Clarkson who has the same skill set. Now Payton is a baller. I’ll give Randle a few more opportunities to proves us wrong.

        1. Let the guy have a rookie season first. He had 1 game last year as well as preseason. It took Jordan Clarkson the better part of the year and didn’t bust out until the All Star break. I think Randle deserves at least that before we harshly judge the guy. Randle needs to find his place in the offense, he needs to figure out what he can and cannot do and figure out how to play both defense and team defense, what his teammates can and cannot do. It’s a process. This isn’t NBA2K16, you can’t just plug a guy in a spot and expect immediate results. There is a learning period and adjustments.

          Too many people expecting instant gratification and no one is willing to sit out the process. Impatient Lakers fans.

          1. I always saw talent in Clarkson. I’m not saying I’m right but I’m just offering my opinion so far. It’s not always condemnation…jeez! They have positives and negatives. Next week my opinion might be completely different. Randle needs to control himself better. Clarkson was like a chicken with his head cut off too but he was putting up numbers. I’m not harshly judging him I just want him to stop using the same two moves and bulldozing people. It’s almost comical to me. I have all the patience in the world after last year. Trust me on that.

          2. I don’t know….Randle today looks a lot like Clarkson did last camp imho — just needs to slow the game down a bit.

            He’ll be fine, especially if he can hit that step back jumper. And hopefully BGJ will teach him some post moves.

  • I expect another loss, non existent defense and lots of ball hogging.

    Randle is like a one trick pony out there. He is going to be constantly injured if he doesn’t start using his brain out there on the court.

    Jabari Brown needs to be cut.

    Nance Jr. surprised me in Summer League so I look forward to seeing him play tonight. In fact I won’t be surprised if he or Bass replace Randle in the starting lineup soon.

    1. We built a team based on the best talents available. Not really what the team needs. Randle’s game is really limited. Kinda regret we didn’t take Lavine, Payton or Vonleh. Heck, even McDermott seems to be a better choice since we don’t have a 3-point specialist.

      1. randle is better suited playing small forward he loves to shoot but doesnt want to protect the paint..gets very lazy in the paint relying on hibbert

        1. Strange. We agree on Randle. Except he has no 3-ball. I said before we drafted him that he would have a much harder time in the NBA since he always tried to out-muscle smaller guys in college. Yes, try to teach him the 3, by all means.

        2. The problem with SF position, I’m not sure if Randle is quick enough to defend someone like KD, Wiggins, LeBron, etc. And Randle doesn’t hit 3 consistently. Going to be tough to be a tweener.

      2. I won’t jump to that conclusion yet as I see glimpses of talent in Randle. He just needs to move instinctively instead of overthinking every move. Lavine would have been nice but we have Clarkson who has the same skill set. Now Payton is a baller. I’ll give Randle a few more opportunities to proves us wrong.

        1. Let the guy have a rookie season first. He had 1 game last year as well as preseason. It took Jordan Clarkson the better part of the year and didn’t bust out until the All Star break. I think Randle deserves at least that before we harshly judge the guy. Randle needs to find his place in the offense, he needs to figure out what he can and cannot do and figure out how to play both defense and team defense, what his teammates can and cannot do. It’s a process. This isn’t NBA2K16, you can’t just plug a guy in a spot and expect immediate results. There is a learning period and adjustments.

          Too many people expecting instant gratification and no one is willing to sit out the process. Impatient Lakers fans.

          1. I always saw talent in Clarkson. I’m not saying I’m right but I’m just offering my opinion so far. It’s not always condemnation…jeez! They have positives and negatives. Next week my opinion might be completely different. Randle needs to control himself better. Clarkson was like a chicken with his head cut off too but he was putting up numbers. I’m not harshly judging him I just want him to stop using the same two moves and bulldozing people. It’s almost comical to me. I have all the patience in the world after last year. Trust me on that.

          2. I don’t know….Randle today looks a lot like Clarkson did last camp imho — just needs to slow the game down a bit.

            He’ll be fine, especially if he can hit that step back jumper. And hopefully BGJ will teach him some post moves.

  • I am excited. .I hope we can see some improvement tonight. . I hope coach make us believe in him that he can adjust or work with players to fix some mistakes. .best of luck tonight lakers.. .

  • I am excited. .I hope we can see some improvement tonight. . I hope coach make us believe in him that he can adjust or work with players to fix some mistakes. .best of luck tonight lakers.. .

  • I think coach is not really thinking.. I want to watch tonight before confirm my thoughts..I believe Russell should come of the bench and Jordan pg kobe sg.. maybe nick or brown sf .. it’s just idea..it’s too early to throw Russell as starter he is to raw..but good luck lakers

    1. Nah, might as well sink or swim with Russell — not gonna make that much of a difference either way this season and I don’t think it will “break” him mentally.

      1. Will see tonight. .it’s just a point if I am a coach I will take wining and growing. .I won’t just focus on individual grew over team value and improvement I should ..plus playing kobe sf not bad but sg is much better..anyway..let’s hope the best ..go lakers

        1. Fair enough. I should also probably add that if Russell does, in fact, “sink”, I think it will probably Huertas and not Clarkson who replaces him….assuming Huertas gets his immigration dox together of course!

  • I think coach is not really thinking.. I want to watch tonight before confirm my thoughts..I believe Russell should come of the bench and Jordan pg kobe sg.. maybe nick or brown sf .. it’s just idea..it’s too early to throw Russell as starter he is to raw..but good luck lakers

    1. Nah, might as well sink or swim with Russell — not gonna make that much of a difference either way this season and I don’t think it will “break” him mentally.

      1. Will see tonight. .it’s just a point if I am a coach I will take wining and growing. .I won’t just focus on individual grew over team value and improvement I should ..plus playing kobe sf not bad but sg is much better..anyway..let’s hope the best ..go lakers

        1. Fair enough. I should also probably add that if Russell does, in fact, “sink”, I think it will probably Huertas and not Clarkson who replaces him….assuming Huertas gets his immigration dox together of course!

  • Man Byron is finally starting to get on my nerves. This offense is so trash! Only time theres any flow is when they go pick and roll. And how are they supposed to get any flow if they all have tired legs and cant play D or hit a shot!! Genius!!

  • Man Byron is finally starting to get on my nerves. This offense is so trash! Only time theres any flow is when they go pick and roll. And how are they supposed to get any flow if they all have tired legs and cant play D or hit a shot!! Genius!!

  • Russell didn’t look too good being helped off…thoughts? If he is injured significantly I may sit out this season and just check occasional box scores. Last year Randle 6 minutes into the season and now Russell 25 minutes into preseason? Wtf

  • Lou looks good…thinking he should start at pg and dlo should come off the bench…dude is a beast

  • Raul is playing well and he is a backup for Huertas here in Brazil. I expect some great things from Marcelinho

  • Raul is playing well and he is a backup for Huertas here in Brazil. I expect some great things from Marcelinho

  • Ryan Kelly TRYING HARD to be a slasher, just shoot it from 3 point line. I don’t know why Byron Scott giving playing time to this guy. I hope Nance will play instead of Kelly. Byron Scott, please give Nance a chance to play, Nance is more athletic.

    1. They are giving kelly a chance to make the team. The pt to means to me that they are planning to cut him unless he impresses. Think he’s gonna get the axe.

  • Ryan Kelly TRYING HARD to be a slasher, just shoot it from 3 point line. I don’t know why Byron Scott giving playing time to this guy. I hope Nance will play instead of Kelly. Byron Scott, please give Nance a chance to play, Nance is more athletic.

    1. They are giving kelly a chance to make the team. The pt to means to me that they are planning to cut him unless he impresses. Think he’s gonna get the axe.

  • Byron Scott can’t coach for shit, putting Sacre and Nance in, leaving Frazier in, taking out Hibbert, where Utah keeps their top 3 scorers in the game, it really confuses me, it’s like B Scott are losing the game on purpose smh.

  • Byron Scott can’t coach for shit, putting Sacre and Nance in, leaving Frazier in, taking out Hibbert, where Utah keeps their top 3 scorers in the game, it really confuses me, it’s like B Scott are losing the game on purpose smh.

  • Starting Unit: Russel, Clarkson, Kobe, Randle, Hibbert.
    Second Unit: Williams, Young, MWP, Bass, Nance/Black/Upshaw.

    Byron Scott should not give playing to Sacre, Kelly & Frazier.

  • Starting Unit: Russel, Clarkson, Kobe, Randle, Hibbert.
    Second Unit: Williams, Young, MWP, Bass, Nance/Black/Upshaw.

    Byron Scott should not give playing to Sacre, Kelly & Frazier.

  • Yeah…Charles right….When players like Smush Parker and Adam Morrison start scoring and dunking over you….It’s time to Lace em Down….Good thing about it…..They’re not in the League….So Kobe is Safe…

    1. Gallinari was waving off screens during the Denver game caz he wanted to take Kobe 1 on 1. That’s pretty much the same.

    2. U guys still mad at Barkley for his comments about the Lakers being the worst team in Cali??

  • Yes Kobe is done he should just be the high paid bench player. Its time to hand it off to the next guy. Sad to see this happen but the guy hasn’t played in a full season game for 2 years and even now he can barely do it in 3 straight games. We have to move on about Kobe he has spurts of great plays but he can’t do it every night anymore.

    1. What guy is he gonna hand it off to? Clarkson is the best youngster right now, but his ceiling is shorter and might plateau soon. Russell is a long term project, and randle wishes he had odoms skill set.

  • I’m with Charles, it’s sad because this happens to every player, but for most at least their team has some good players on their roster so they don’t look for the old man to carry the whole weight of the team.

  • Kobe isnt done yet he just slowed down alot bc of all these injuries.
    stop making drama out of nothing.
    stupid media and fans blowing crap up again.

  • Some of you are so delusional. What are you seeing when you watch Kobe play now? He can’t make a shot and refuses to even try on defense. He looks awful and that is truth. Every great players career has to come to an end. Charles is extra brutal with it but he’s not wrong.

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