Jim Buss On Lakers Failed Chris Paul Trade: ‘It Didn’t Make Any Sense’
Lakers Executive Vp Jim Buss Responds To Magic Johnson’s Criticism
Gary A. Vasquez-USA TODAY Sports

In December of 2011, the Los Angeles Lakers made a blockbuster trade that sent shockwaves throughout the NBA. The franchise acquired point guard Chris Paul to play alongside Kobe Bryant and Andrew Bynum in a three-way deal that sent Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom elsewhere.

The Chris Paul trade was expected to keep the Lakers in title contention for years to come with arguably the best floor general in the league in the same backcourt as Bryant. Unfortunately, the league didn’t approve of the deal for “basketball reasons” and vetoed the trade resulting in chaos in Los Angeles.

Four years later, the Lakers have missed the playoffs in consecutive seasons with Bryant going down with season-ending injuries three years in a row. The team is still trying to pick up the pieces after missing out on Paul with Lakers executive vice president Jim Buss still scratching his head about why the deal was vetoed in the first place, via Sam Amick of USA Today.

You have to assume that, ‘What was the thought process behind that? Why would you nix a deal that turned out to be better than the deal (that they vetoed)?…That kind of handcuffed (New Orleans) for years. It didn’t make any sense, but I want to see what they were thinking.

Buss and the Lakers brass will likely never get any real clarity on “basketball reasons” and why the NBA vetoed a blockbuster trade that appeared to work out for all three teams involved.

The Houston Rockets, New Orleans Pelicans, and Lakers stood to be improved teams had the deal gone through. Paul was on the move one way or another and ironically ended up in the same building playing for the Los Angeles Clippers regardless.

Although the vetoed Chris Paul trade still a painful memory for the Lakers brass and fans of the franchise, the fact is the team seems to be finally back on the right track. There’s still a long way to go with D’Angelo Russell, Jordan Clarkson, and Julius Randle still needing to prove the future is bright in Los Angeles, but optimism is starting to spread with memories of failed trades slowing beginning to fade away.

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  1. Lakers Lifer,

    You know how much I put Stern, Dan Gilbert, and Mark Cuban on blast about how they have all conducted themselves before, during, and after that ridiculous great player/Laker hating trade blocker move.

    As I have said……. Lebron James is the hand selected NBA poster boy, face of the game. And Kobe Bryant with help is the biggest threat to the NBA’s plans with Lebron James at the forefront leading the way.

    To me the NBA is only a small step above professional wrestling.

    Is it unfair that a Laker team would give up Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom? And give an aging Kobe Bryant, Chris Paul?

    They keep saying Kobe is too old anyway right? But they feared and still fear giving him some decent support.

    They can only make things harder. They can’t stop what’s inevitable.

    Go Kobe ! Go Lakers !

    Paytc

      1. That is true. But they will do all they can to make it as hard as they are able to make it. That is why the Lakers need a unified and close nit team as possible. They really need to call you and I in to help with things. Because our faith and support does not waver. And we understand how the hateful use the media to create the kinds of perceptions they choose to get the results they want by any means necessary.

        Expect some ups and downs but keep the faith.

        Go Lakers !

        Paytc

        1. I wish all Lakers fans could see what you already know.
          I wish there was a way we could protest to all the nonsense.
          Im glad to see Jim publicly rejecting the nba’s decision.

          And if it was me, I would have sued the NBA!

        2. He still should before the statue of limitations runs out. If he has good enough grounds for a suit which I believe he does. And he has enough money to cause enough commotion that cheating and abuse of power is at least discouraged in the future.

          Paytc

    1. Can you believe the arrogance and disgrace of naming a non-player, Lieyer (attorney) to the nba hall of fame?

      What a disgrace. I hate looking at his stu pid weasel grin.

      I HATE STERN, MAY HE ROT!

      1. I agree with 98 % of your post. But instead of hating Stern I erased him from existence in my recollection. Other than to point out his crooked hand in the CP3 sham.

        Like I said, the NBA is not much more real than professional wrestling.

        I’m not in love with the league or many components connected to it.

        I have love for the players and the game. From the role players to the super star players. And I know there is a difference in good and great.

        I don’t need a hater, or anyone they have brainwashed, to define that difference for me.

        Go Lakers !

        Paytc

  • This is an optimistically balanced article Mr Ward. Keep it up.

    “Basketball Reasons” is bulll turds.

    Also, how can stern be awarded hall of fame induction. From that point on it should be known as the hall of shame. stern is a disgrace.

    FFFF YOU STERN!!!!

    1. Lakers Lifer,

      You know how much I put Stern, Dan Gilbert, and Mark Cuban on blast about how they have all conducted themselves before, during, and after that ridiculous great player/Laker hating trade blocker move.

      I called it what it was years before it was popular to do so.

      As I have said……. Lebron James is the hand selected NBA poster boy, face of the game. And Kobe Bryant with help is the biggest threat to the NBA’s plans with Lebron James at the forefront leading the way.

      To me the NBA is only a small step above professional wrestling.
      Your right it should be the hall of shame.

      Is it unfair that a Laker team would give up Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom? And give an aging Kobe Bryant, Chris Paul?

      They keep saying Kobe is too old anyway right? But they feared Kobe with help then and still fear giving him some decent support now.

      They can only make things harder. They can’t stop what’s inevitable.

      Go Kobe ! Go Lakers !

      Paytc

        1. That is true. But they will do all they can to make it as hard as they are able to make it. That is why the Lakers need a unified and close nit team as possible. They really need to call you and I in to help with things. Because our faith and support does not waver. And we understand how the hateful use the media to create the kinds of perceptions they choose to get the results they want by any means necessary.

          Expect some ups and downs but keep the faith.

          Go Lakers !

          Paytc

          1. I wish all Lakers fans could see what you already know.
            I wish there was a way we could protest to all the nonsense.
            Im glad to see Jim publicly rejecting the nba’s decision.

            And if it was me, I would have sued the NBA!

          2. He still should before the statue of limitations runs out. If he has good enough grounds for a suit which I believe he does. And he has enough money to cause enough commotion that cheating and abuse of power is at least discouraged in the future.

            He could at least make the world question whether Stern, Cuban, Gilbert, and a few others are heroes or not.

            Paytc

      1. Can you believe the arrogance and disgrace of naming a non-player, Lieyer (attorney) to the nba hall of fame?

        What a disgrace. I hate looking at his stu pid weasel grin.

        I HATE STERN, MAY HE ROT!

        1. I agree with 98 % of your post. But instead of hating Stern I erased him from existence in my recollection. Other than to point out his crooked hand in the CP3 sham.

          Like I said, the NBA is not much more real than professional wrestling.

          I’m not in love with the league or many components connected to it.

          I have love for the players and the game. From the role players to the super star players. And I know there is a difference in good and great.

          I don’t need a hater, or anyone they have brainwashed, to define that difference for me.

          Go Lakers !

          Paytc

  • Thats right Jim speak your mind and tell people how you feel, i like how Jim is being way more open now he has alot of power in the organization and i think he should use it, of course us fans had problems with Jim but it was mainly because we didnt know if he even cared that we we’re losing but i like that Jim is coming out his shell and letting the people who criticize know that we are back, and i hope he address Espn hate cause he has the power to stop that as well. Thanks Jim

    1. It’s a blessing and a curse. I think Jim is right for speaking up (and should for that matter) but Jim is Foot-in-Mouth prone and not exactly deft when it comes to explaining something/himself so for every public statement that goes over well, there’s a bad fumble waiting in the wings to come out of his mouth at some point.

  • Thats right Jim speak your mind and tell people how you feel, i like how Jim is being way more open now he has alot of power in the organization and i think he should use it, of course us fans had problems with Jim but it was mainly because we didnt know if he even cared that we we’re losing but i like that Jim is coming out his shell and letting the people who criticize know that we are back, and i hope he address Espn hate cause he has the power to stop that as well. Thanks Jim

    1. It’s a blessing and a curse. I think Jim is right for speaking up (and should for that matter) but Jim is Foot-in-Mouth prone and not exactly deft when it comes to explaining something/himself so for every public statement that goes over well, there’s a bad fumble waiting in the wings to come out of his mouth at some point.

  • Made perfect sense to me — Dan Gilbert and Mark Cuban were butt-hurt that the Lakers pulled off their second blockbuster trade in 5 years.

    I mean really…it ain’t rocket science.

    1. Dan Gilbert the man who was against super-teams who now has one himself and Mark Cuban who thought he had a star center in Deandre Jordan only for him to renege! Well one got their karma and the other will get his. The Lakers need to stop playing nice and start making noise about unfair practices in this league! #pettynation

  • Made perfect sense to me — Dan Gilbert and Mark Cuban were butt-hurt that the Lakers pulled off their second blockbuster trade in 5 years.

    I mean really…it ain’t rocket science.

    1. Dan Gilbert the man who was against super-teams who now has one himself and Mark Cuban who thought he had a star center in Deandre Jordan only for him to renege! Well one got their karma and the other will get his. The Lakers need to stop playing nice and start making noise about unfair practices in this league! #pettynation

  • Sadly, if that Paul trade succeeded, every Jim Buss hating Lakers fan would be singing his praises. But since it didn’t go through, all the problems the Lakers have are his fault. He brought about Bynum who helped in 2 championships. He had Paul but the league nixed it, he traded a broken Bynum for Howard who had we had Paul here, would probably still be here. The right moves have been made, but because of the league, things have fallen apart. I think I’m one of the few who’s willing to give credit where credit is due.

    1. Yes I think Buss has done decent but I am a little bitter about the past two seasons and the talent we got. We signed players to cheap 1 year “prove it deals”. It seemed like the last two seasons were for nothing. Things look bright though. Even though this free agency looked bad because we may have missed out on bigger names, I am more than happy with getting players like lou and hibbert.

      1. The last 2 years were literally for nothing. It’s got us young talent to scout over who can either be A. stars or B. contributing role players for the future while we look for the next big contract start to accompany this team. Between our 3 young guys, this team is only going to get better exponentially and if we can add a high paying star to that mix, this team will be set for many years to come. Between having a big in Hibbert who is what, 28 almost 29 with a style of game that should last him into his mid 30’s as a defensive oriented player, a 6th man of the year, a dependable big off the bench, really we just need that 1 big time start to really elevate this team. We’ve got a big time core to build around someone and the money to do it this offseason. I like how the money has been managed to put us in that position.

    2. Please! Jim Buss barely knows a thing about basketball and I doubt he knew back then that Chris Paul was superstar talent. Read the expose on him. His true love and passion was horse racing….oh wait he sucked at that too.

      1. Perhaps, but he isn’t going anywhere and, while some of the moves haven’t worked out, I was generally supportive of most of them at the time they were made.

        Don’t forget, his dad laid quite a few eggs along the way too. It happens sometimes.

        1. But why are people giving him credit in response to those who criticize him? Jim Buss doesn’t make decisions by himself and probably adds nothing to trade talks.

          1. First off: I think Mitch Kupchak is the brains of the ENTIRE operation (and yes, that includes Jeanie) and the most highly underrated executive in the history of pro sports. I would very comfortable if he took over and sent all the Busses home.

            That said, he holds the title and all parties agree the final decision is his. Besides, we gave his father credit for pretty much everything and he was nowhere near as hands-on as Jim.

          2. Agreed with the first part and disagree with the second paragraph. Jerry was at least a fan and knew who was talented and who wasn’t. He was also smart enough to put smarter people in charge whereas Jim thinks he knows all and fires people at the drop of a dime. If you don’t know what you are doing why are you firing everyone and making decisions? Just to show Phil Jackson and the world you aren’t incompetent and can handle the role daddy left for you despite the fact that you are incompetent?

      2. My passion and love is computers, video games and my girlfriend. Yet here I am, a Laker fan of 27 years with gobs of knowledge of the game, an understanding of the CBA and of the Lakers. I read all the articles, I listen to all the comments, evaluate and make my own judgments of moves made, I look at the current as well as what’s ahead. Just because a mans passion and love is one thing, doesn’t mean he’s not versed in doing other things. I’m doing a job that I’m not the biggest fan of, but it pays the bills and I do it to the very best of my abilities.

        1. I’m not going to keep arguing with you about a well known fact league wide-Jim Buss is incompetent and wasn’t even a fan of basketball. These are the facts. How dp you have faith in a man well known for goofing off because he didn’t care? He was a spoiled son who only has his position through nepotism. I’m sure a fan off the street couls do better.

          That comparison is a poor one because you aren’t responsible for a billion dollar empire and thousands of employees.

          1. not every fan has learned from Dr. Buss and Jerry West, two of the greatest minds of basketball. If Jerry West believes in Jim, so do I

          2. Ha. Jerry knows his son Ryan is there to hold Jims hand. I trust him too, he was convinced to grab Clarkson by Ryan West. That gives me faith that at least he listens.

    3. Clap, clap!! I’ve been roasted bynlame game Lakers fans on this site for 5 years now because I saw it like this.

      Kudos to you for not being a butt hurt sheep who allows the mass media hype too cloud the truth.

          1. Your boyfriend confirmed what I have been telling you for years! “You have to assume that, ‘What was the thought process behind that? Why would you nix a deal that turned out to be better than the deal (that they vetoed)?…That kind of handcuffed (New Orleans) for years. It didn’t make any sense, but I want to see what they were thinking.”

      1. I’m getting roasted by Legacy there below but all he’s offered is his opinion with no real context with which to judge it by. The moves are the moves, they’ve been made. They’re made by Buss who has final say, Mitch Kupchak and I’m sure the input of a couple of others. But these moves were his moves and the moves that have been made even now with Randle and Russell, the decision to spend the money to get Jordan Clarkson, the shrewd financial moves to build a young core while maintaining flexibility to hopefully bring in a big time star, that’s all because of Buss. This next offseason, we likely lose Kobe. But we have 3 young guys to build around, we have guys in Hibbert, Bass and Williams that can solidify and provide that veteran presence, give this team a core to put around a big time star if we can pick one up in the offseason. There is a vision to this team that people miss and I can see it.

        1. It’s been there. Folks just don’t pay proper attention. The FO was trying to prepare for life after Kobe back in 2011 when Phil retired. Every move was one that actually said analytics, modern NBA offense and the end of the triangle. People overlooked the fact that Mike Brown was a huge analytics nerd. D’Antoni is the guy who brought this analytics fad to the NBA. The CP3 trade nice set us back almost a decade. The reactionary 12-13 super team gamble was a good one but injury destroyed that short term fix. The only beef I had with Jimmy is flirting with Phil after firing Brown. He shouldhave never cconsidered Phil as the triangle era was long over and we needed to not have it hanging over the franchise.

          1. That’s my only one as well, though it’s been said enough that it was Jerry, not Jim who actually signed off on Mike D’Antoni to run the team. Jerry wanted to bring back Showtime to the Lakers and get away from the triangle, had been wanting to for years. D’Antoni was the best coach for it but had the wrong personnel for it as well.

            He also gets roasted for the Nash trade which at the time, great trade. No one could foresee that Nash would have gotten injured the unusual way he did and unfortunately, weird things like that happen. The Lakers could trade for LeBron James tomorrow and it would be lauded as the best thing the franchise has done since it brought on Shaq and Kobe and then suddenly, LeBron goes down with a career ending injury and then what? Suddenly it’s the worst move ever because of what we’d probably have to give up and it would set us back nearly a decade again. Buss would be roasted again.

          2. The truly sad part about all the sheeple Jimmy Buss haters is how they ignore all that Dr. Buss did and said in advance of the transition of power beyond him. Dr. Buss predicted all that has come to be since his passing. He told Jimmy to be ready for the wolves. He was upset with how turncoat and spoiled the fan base was in 2005. Dr Buss really closed ranks at that point and even Jeanie was on the outside as she could not get over her dad forcing Phil out. People seem to forget or don’t want to admit, it was Dr. Buss who was tired of Phil. He was done with Phil the same way Jerry West was.West also threw shade on the fan baseas he saw a major difference in the Showtime fans of the Forum VS. the Lakeshow fans of Staples. He just recently spoke on this citing the Warriors fans as much better than Lakers. OUCH!

            Anyway you cut it Jimmy and Mitch have done a fairly good job. I’ve said this befre, I’ll say it again, I’m one of thos e Showtime fans who understands the need for patiensce.

          3. My experience with the Lakers started back in 87. I caught the back end of the Showtime Era. I grew up through the 12 of no championships years, through the Divac/Threatt era (Yes, Sedale Threatt, I went there lol). I cried when Magic retired because I thought he was going to die from HIV. I remember combing the newspapers, every sports station, everything when I heard about Shaq possibly coming to LA. I also remember Shaq was bummed out that the Lakers traded Anthony Peeler to free up salary for him (Shaq admitted later he’d have taken less to keep Peeler), watched Kobe’s entire career to this point. I know it can go 12 years before a ring and I’m ok with that. I know it can go 5 years too. It is what it is and it takes time to build a dynasty. Most fans just don’t get it.

          4. Well said. I’ve been a fan since 77. I caughtvthe tail end of the thuglife nba years, when Kareem was a complete hot head fighting all the time. I recall how bad West was as a HC and how cheap Cooke was as an owner. I remember Dr Buss almost blowing up Showtime, with his obsession over Roy Talley, who he wanted to trade Worthy for. I recall how Buss and West bumped head’s over all kinds of things over the years. I remember the 89-90 season of dysfunction as

          5. Here you are twisting the truth again as usual like I told you months ago yet you argued me down for DAYS. He said the difference in fan base was based on more celebrities hogging up seats. He still said the fans are great. The Warriors have sudden fake fans, give them a few years and let celebrities and big time rich folks start filling up the stadium and see how bad their fans are then. The fans in Staples arent a true representation of Lakers fans and he also said that!! Vegas Summer League was lively because seats were cheaper and thus real fans could go support.

            Its amazing how I can tell you something and you disagree yet let Jim Buss confirm it or Jerry West say it and suddenly you agree. This is why I dislike you. guess who…

          6. Boy I sho must get under your skin. LMBO You constantly got yo panties in a bunch in following my comments? West said exactly what I stated. He even said as much back in 2000 when he made the decision to leave. He cited how cutthroat things were getting around the franchise. That was a big part of the daily stress he needed to get away from. It was fans, media and the pressure of the job.

          7. Why can’t you ever debate like an adult without resorting to ad hominem attacks? This coming from a man clearly in his 50s. My panties are fully intact and not in a bunch. This is a public board. If you don’t want people to pull your card when you twist the truth then don’t post at all.

          8. You can miss me with that fake victim ISH! You the one who insulted me from the beginning with a diss about my commentary. After that I have no remorse for calling you a buster or whatever. You the one following my comments with snide remarks.

          9. A diss? Where? You sure are sensitive. I have never seen you have a respectful conversation unless the other person fully agrees with you. You’re like 58 years old…stop using words like “buster”. Lets stick to facts.

          10. You convict yourself trying to figure out who and what i am while looking to diss. Again, you start the mess. Then you seem to have a strange interest in all of my conversations?!? Outside of your attacks on me I couldn’t yell you a thing about ehat you’ve daid to others.

            And I’ll use whatever words I want. That’s just another self conviction, trying the digital bully pulpit. SMH

          11. That first sentence doesn’t make any sense. I called you a butt kisser, you called me a buster and said my panties were in a bunch. I think it’s clear you are the angry and worst offender here. Once again I don’t have a strange interest in your conversations-I take issue with you and Joseph stretching the truth. Other unsuspecting fans may read it and then repeat what you two have claimed which is how myths and lies keep growing and growing.

            Now why are you so angry whenever people dare disagree with you?

          12. That first sentence doesn’t make any sense. I called you a butt kisser, you called me a buster and said my panties were in a bunch. I think it’s clear you are the angry and worst offender here. Once again I don’t have a strange interest in your conversations-I take issue with you and Joseph stretching the truth. Other unsuspecting fans may read it and then repeat what you two have claimed which is how myths and lies keep growing and growing.

            Now why are you so angry whenever people dare disagree with you?

          13. Nah, you started the messy ISH well before that comment. You came at me outta no where talking bout dumb comments. You seem to be one of those digital thugs who like to bait folks into a quick wit diss debate? You can disagree with me all day but when you come at me outta no where calling me dumb, the discourse eith continue on a foul mouf path.

          14. And in thst 2005 exclusive interview with Michael Eaves that Dr. Buss had he absolutely scoffed at blame gsme uninformed fans. Buss wss truly hurt by the impatience.

          15. What is your point? Me saying Jim Buss is incompetent doesn’t make me impatient. You have a hard time correlating things. People have a right to disagree with their favorite teams decisions wihout you labelling them spoiled or insulting them. Grow up.

          16. Again, NOT TRUE. In the joint interview with Jeanie and Jim it was said by Jeanie that their father was too ill at that time to make decisions. The D’Antoni faisco was Jim Buss and co. Your comments are completely wrong yet you question the merit of others. The fact that Jim would lie and toss his dead father under the bus to save himself shows how what type of low character human he truly is. I don’t trust him.

          17. Hahaha JoJo Lawson won’t reply to this because it destroys the lie he just posted.

          18. Dr. Buss 2005 exclusive interview with Michael Eaves. If you’re a true fan you saw these things happen.

          19. Another #1 Fan, the truest of all true fans telling other fans why they’re not a true fan or as true a fan as them.

          20. “If you’re a true fan you saw these things happen. ”

            How am I saying he’s not a true fan?

          21. You’re saying…if he missed ONE event, ONE interview…not 2, not 3, but ONE missed event/interview means he is not a true fan.

            What’s the definition of a TRUE FAN anyways?

          22. Again how am I saying he’s not a true fan? My statement was abstract and general not a direct and absolute conviction of his fanhood.

            IMO, A true fan is one that understands there will be ups and downs that requires fans to be patient.

          23. Whenever one uses a form of “you”, the message is direct. And even if you meant it to be abstract and general, is the statement correct? Missing one event or interview doesn’t revoke one’s fan badge, at least in my eyes.

            I agree with your definition. However, just like the FO gets praise when things go well, they should expect to get hate when things go awry

          24. He asked where I got the info. I gave him just onr instance of it. Maybe I should have separated the nect entrance from that but it wss genersl as to how easy it is to have noted that and other things I’ve stated.

            Why would a fan of a team hate a FO? Hate is a strong emotion. And in this case many are hating on one individual when sll parties involved, including Dr. Buss told us over and over sll decisions ate collective.

          25. Daryl is the true fan police. Apparently being older than someone means he is a better fan. Dr. Buss was preparing for D’Antoni and Kobe leaving in 2005. Hahaha. He must have been nostradomus.

          26. I will look into this. I don’t know what you define as a true fan but I am a loyal supporter and follower of the Lakers. So you are telling me in this interview he made these claims,
            “The FO was trying to prepare for life after Kobe back in 2011 when Phil retired. Every move was one that actually said analytics, modern NBA offense and the end of the triangle.”? Or any of the other claims you made in that comment?

          27. I encourage you to do so. You’ll find it almost eerie how the things Dr. Buss said bsck then, during that rough patch we had post Shaq are so prophetic as pertains to today’s conversations.

            As for the other stuff. I’m sure you remember Metta calling Brown stat boy? I’m very curious as to why you eould not remember the triaknowledge. ngle culture being disassembled? The Mike Brown hire over Brian Shaw was a clear indicator of that. Then a double down eith D”Antonio over Phil. D’Antoni is small ball analytics. That’s common

        2. “that’s all because of Buss.” Do you have proof of this because none of those moves other than Russell were Jim Buss decisions, especially not Clarkson. That was Ryan West. Not a fact in this comment you wrote and his latest pick in Russell has not impressed anyone yet. If he is a bust I guarantee you all would still say we can’t blame Jim Buss.

        3. You question someones opinion and say they provide no context, yet you make soo many assumptions. If you honestly think this is how Buss planned it, you’re asleep. If anything, kupcake salvaged another disastrous off season by getting hibbert and signing lou. They got lucky…no need to give credit. Who would think the 46th pick could turn into a potential all star and make such a quick impact? Who thought randle was gonna fall to #7? There’s no such thing as maintaining flexibility right now..you know why? The cap space is gonna increase for everyone next yr and these rookies are on their rookie deals.

          They (FO) had a choice with the #2 pick…they went with russell. So far, it aint looking that good. So yea, it seems they mess up every time they have direct control over something.

          Stop trying to forcibly credit the FO and label their lucky breaks as VISION

          1. It’s hilarious that these two clowns think these last terrible four years were planned for years ahead. Hahahaha. God if this was their plan we would have been better off with no plan.

          2. I mean, the points they make could be used for that argument. However, if you scratch deep enough and see why certain things happened or how they happened…the points being made are contrived and twisted to fit into the shoe (argument) stated. Simply no way this was the vision. Stevie wonders has better vision than this. Everyone was lost…We caught lucky breaks. Huge breaks.

            The one thing that proves this was not the plan, or that they were planning this since 2011 is our draft pick situation. Our 1st rounders have been thrown away. We won’t get to see a 1st rounder that belongs to us til 2018. Somehow we kept the #4 (now #2) pick from the 76ers this year

    4. You’re comments are spot on. People on here are amazing to complain about two hamstrung years. You can’t straighten everything at once especially when you’re thrown a curve ball by stern and the group of envious owners. I give props to Jim for staying quiet and taking the criticism like a man by not immediately lashing out at his strongest critics (aka Magic). His dad had a quiet approach as well. But guess what…we’re almost back to glory in a SHORT time.

      1. I am not taking sides on the Magic and Jim discussion, but I will give Magic a pass because of all he has meant to us and the entire league.

        He LOVES his Lakers like some of us also do and when you have that much passion you have the right to be concerned and stand up for what you love…even if people think he was wrong to do so.

        1. I want to give magic a pass but I cant he sold his rights to the team and now hes talking way to much. he needs to shut up and let the cards fall were they may he has no idea what is going on behind the media fog

          1. He is a Laker for life!

            You cant ask a person like that to just let it go. Purple and gold are in his veins. Impossible.

          2. he needs to just not comment about them. you don’t here kareem or west out there talking bad about the lakers every chance they get

          3. Kareem has also made comments from what I remember reading but not on the level of Magic.

            West has also made suggestions but you are right he has not been outspoken negatively towards our organization.

          4. Im not defending nor condoning his actions but his love for the Lakers is unquestionable

          5. that’s true and once the team goes up for sell and i do believe unless were contending in two seasons it will be sold i want magic and the doger owner group to buy us

      2. Oh boy some of you just do not get it! LAMARCUS ALDRIDGE just said yesterday that their presentation to free agents wasn’t good, along with a host of others. The FO is currently a mess and as a fan if that doesn’t bother you then why are you even a fan? No one expects a title every year but when your team now has a reputation of dysfunction you should be concerned. It’s not about being spoiled. JESUS CHRIST!!

    5. I don’t disagree with you to a point but for every smart move hes made he has also made stupid moves.
      the nash trade was stupid from the get 1 season I could understand but to sign a 38 year old pg to a 3 year 30m deal was stupid.
      the odom trade was stupid. he was mad about the cp3 trade but jimm should have sat on him tell he got over it or traded him for 6moy value.
      we had a shot to trade Bynum, blake, Walton and a future pick to den in 2011 for melo and billups we should have made that trade.
      letting sesh walk when he wanted to be here for nash was stupid.
      letting arzia go was stupid.
      letting farmar go was stupid.
      jimm lets his ego get in the way of smart basketball moves.

      1. I dont agree with everything you wrote but I agree some moves were questionable. And so I have to wonder If you are right about his ego. I hope not.

        Was it his ego when Upshaw got waived? Did Upshaw say something that the FO didnt agree with? If it was an ego based decision, that would be dumb. Im not trying to create hate but rather I dont want the Upshaw thing to turn into the JFK unexplained mystery. I want to give Jim credit if indeed he did the right thing by releasing Upshaw

          1. 1) NOW I hate nash the trash, but back then I was extatic for what COULD HAVE been with an effective nash. In retrospect it was a bad move, but at the time I thought it was worth the risk

            2) Farmar was good and one of my favorites but Farmar made his own decision to leave us TWICE.

            3) Odom had issues and was in decline.

          2. 1. im not mad at the nash trade. I mad at the 3 year 30m deal given to a 37 year old player.
            he should have given him 1 year or none at all.
            2. farmar left the first time because we wanted blake. we should have brought him back. blake was redundant when we had fisher

          3. As far as paying nash, which I sorely regret, at the time nash was as valuable as what he could get in an open market. His stock was in very high demand at the time. Su cks but what can we do.

          4. i was happy for the trade but even back then i said we should have gone after jouse caldaron in a three team deal with tor-pho-lal

          5. But I think Jim gets a pass for that one. He had the right idea. nash just reduced himself to a leach thats all.

          6. like i said im not made at the trade its the yers that were and are stupid.
            i cant give him a pass on them years

          7. Paul’s veto’ed trade, Nash’s injury, Coward turning tail and running, a lot of things have happened around big time stars that have been brought in. Hindsight is 20/20.

          8. I wouldn’t say Nash reduced himself, breaking his leg which I believe was actually the along the top of the bone, exposing the nerve root and the constant irritation to that nerve which also racked his back, wasn’t much he could have done. Total freak injury.

          9. Blake was a combo guard and a better defender. Blake could play both PG and SG positions.

          10. blake was not a better defender then farmar we went with blake because he was a pure pg

          11. Blake played both PG and SG for the Lakers and for Portland prior. He was a physical defender and one that Portland even relied upon to defend Kobe, which he actually did a credible job during his time in Portland, Kobe had even credited to that as much.

          12. 1.he played on the clippers before coming to the lakers
            2. he was a good defender but not better then farmar

          13. blake is a better player then farmar but farmar fit the lakers nees a ton more then blake

          14. never said farmar was the better player. I said faramr was better for the team. and im right

          15. it wouldn’t have mattered. Kobe’s health was deteriorating as he said he couldn’t give it his all in Phil’s last run that year due to his knees

          16. kobe had to carry a hugh load in phils last season because the bench was worse then it used to be

          17. I never spoke on who was a better player. I just said Blake is the better defender.

          18. I beg to differ. Blake was a better overall defender than Jordan. I’ve seen Blake hive CP3 fits Blake is better overall like Fisher was over Jordan. Farmar just had quickness on both, allowing him to get more steals snd sometimes stay in front of quick pg’s better.

          19. and Farmar came back to Lakers in 2013. Then he decided to sign with Clippers after not trusting lakers

          20. which is what the lakers needed. he allredy had great man to man defender in fisher we did not need blake he was redundant

          21. Fisher was not in the future plans. We know this as Fish was traded for Sessions in 2011. Farmar was not a Lakers yet.

          22. Ahh but Fish was traded to allow Sessions to be the focal point as our PG.

          23. He played for 2 1/2 season for Portland and 2 years earlier another with Portland. During that half season, his last season with Portland he was traded to the Clippers. He only played 29 games with the Clips before becoming a free agent and joining the Lakers. He was a superior defender to Farmar, especially being able to guard both guard positions and Farmar was an ok defender at best.

          24. his man to man i would agree was better then farmars but farmar was a much better team defender

      2. Farmar was smart
        He didn’t let Ariza go, Ariza’s agent screwed up big time. That was Jerry’s call too.
        Sessions hasn’t been anything special since he left and was an ok point guard when we had him. We wouldn’t be going anywhere with him.
        Odom’s value was dead and he wanted out. He was let go out of respect. One thing I can credit the Lakers for is respecting players and player wishes.
        Nash was still playing at a high level and had the type of game that translated to continue playing high despite his age. He had a freak injury that damaged the nerve in his leg which also affected the nerve in his back. Not much you can do. Like Shaun Livingston when he went for a dunk and his knee completely gave out and his leg folded under him. Things happen.
        Stupid moves happen, Jerry Buss made his share as well.
        As far as Melo, I’m glad we didn’t get him. Melo’s game wouldn’t translate well with Kobe’s. The guy is an overpriced name brand. The guy can score, but so could Kobe. The guy couldn’t defend worth a damn. Couldn’t defend his own shadow let alone his own mother.

        1. 1. the farmar move was not smart. we needed his change of pace off the bench behind fisher instead we got blake who was a fisher 2.0 and made us easy to guard.
          2. no he let arzia go. he wanted a 5 year 35m deal we payed ron 5 years 32m we should heve kept arzia and also got ron.
          (cut luke Walton and his 5m deal). this was a case of jim being cheep and letting his ego get in the way of paying arzia
          3. sesh was nothing great I agree but he was and is better then blake and would have been payed slightly more then blake. you trade blake and keep sesh if you really wanted nash.
          4.odom was coming off of a 6 man of the year his value was never higher.
          5.nash was 37 you don’t give a 37 year old pg a 3 year 30 m deal. 1 year 10 I get but 3 year 30 no way

          1. Farmar was reckless with the ball period. The Farmar move was smart. When he was under control and his shot was falling he was good, problem is, that was inconsistent. There’s a reason he didn’t last in the NBA.
            No, he did not let Ariza go. Ariza’s agent was pulling for much more money than that and was roasting the Lakers front office in the media in the process. I remember the articles in LA Times and such.
            You keep Blake because he could actually play defense against both PG and SG positions and could play both PG and SG positions. The guy was a solid combo guard and gave you versatility. Sessions was a decent playmaking point guard and not much else.
            Despite his 6th man value, when Odom got emotional, demanded a trade, his value tanked. His value was high during the Paul trade, once that trade failed, his and Pau’s trade values plummeted and were never the same. GM’s knew that if they were going to trade for them, they could offer less than what their value was because of the circumstances. Despite how solid Pau still was, his value couldn’t garner even a 1st rounder.
            I don’t entirely agree with Nash’s contract, but this is the Lakers and money has never been an issue to them. The last year of his contract could have also been a great trade chip if they could have used it and decided instead to let his contract fall off payroll. Again, stuff happens and Nash wasn’t the kind of player you typically would have to worry about getting those kind of injuries. He’s not a very fast player, he didn’t play above the rim and wasn’t going to be prone to serious injury. It was a competitive offer though that kept him from Toronto.

          2. 1. farmar was a change of pace guard u need in the nba every title team has one.
            2. he let arzia go he was cheep. we could have traded Walton out of the team and kept arzia.
            3. no you keep sesh who was younger and better
            4.odoms value was fine and if not you sit on him and make him play with the team. the way the suns are with morris this season
            5. if money was never an issue with the lakers arzia would still be on this team. the nash deal was stupid.
            6. the lakers should have been a filclitator in the trade to send nash to Toronto for jouse caldaron

          3. A change of pace guard is only good if he can play under control. Farmar couldn’t play under control, usually played at one pace, and was reckless.
            I’ve said enough about Ariza’s agent
            Blake, combo guard. Sesh wanted to start, Blake was a bench guy who could play 2 spots and defend 2 positions. Was also a reliable 3pt shooter and solid passer. While older, Blake was better.
            Morris is young and isn’t going to get worse, Odom was on the wrong side of 30 and while an excellent 6th man, showed the next season how much the trade impacted him emotionally
            Calderon was only so good and has never been the All Star caliber point guard we needed. Really, the Paul trade should have never been vetoed so we wouldn’t have been in the position to trade for Nash.

          1. Am I trolling? Really? I’d question whether or not you are actually. I’ve been on this page a while now, giving and getting reasonable responses as well as crap from people like you who actually seem to be doing the trolling. The biggest troll I know here is Joshhh.

          2. I wouldn’t call posting blatantly wrong information that has already been disputed by the owner of the team “reasonable”. Maybe you just weren’t aware but now you know so look into that before you keep repeating erroneous information.

    6. I give credit where the credit is due; Jimmy had the balls to risky basketball moves many in the league didn’t but I won’t give credit poor basketball decisions.

      While the Chris Paul trade looked great on paper; it does not mean the combo of Bryant & Paul would actually work-I always had my doubts. After the Paul nix trade they went hunting for PGs trading for Sessions, Nash losing three 1st rounders and 2 second rounders. They could have had Lowry for one 1st round or they could have picked up Dragic off the restricted list like the Suns did. The moves he made prior was partly due to the input of PJ; yes if you have a great coach your basketball decisions are much more prudent.

  • Sadly, if that Paul trade succeeded, every Jim Buss hating Lakers fan would be singing his praises. But since it didn’t go through, all the problems the Lakers have are his fault. He brought about Bynum who helped in 2 championships. He had Paul but the league nixed it, he traded a broken Bynum for Howard who had we had Paul here, would probably still be here. The right moves have been made, but because of the league, things have fallen apart. I think I’m one of the few who’s willing to give credit where credit is due.

    1. Yes I think Buss has done decent but I am a little bitter about the past two seasons and the talent we got. We signed players to cheap 1 year “prove it deals”. It seemed like the last two seasons were for nothing. Things look bright though. Even though this free agency looked bad because we may have missed out on bigger names, I am more than happy with getting players like lou and hibbert.

      1. The last 2 years were literally for nothing. It’s got us young talent to scout over who can either be A. stars or B. contributing role players for the future while we look for the next big contract start to accompany this team. Between our 3 young guys, this team is only going to get better exponentially and if we can add a high paying star to that mix, this team will be set for many years to come. Between having a big in Hibbert who is what, 28 almost 29 with a style of game that should last him into his mid 30’s as a defensive oriented player, a 6th man of the year, a dependable big off the bench, really we just need that 1 big time start to really elevate this team. We’ve got a big time core to build around someone and the money to do it this offseason. I like how the money has been managed to put us in that position.

    2. Please! Jim Buss barely knows a thing about basketball and I doubt he knew back then that Chris Paul was superstar talent. Read the expose on him. His true love and passion was horse racing….oh wait he sucked at that too.

      1. Perhaps, but he isn’t going anywhere and, while some of the moves haven’t worked out, I was generally supportive of most of them at the time they were made.

        Don’t forget, his dad laid quite a few eggs along the way too. It happens sometimes.

        1. But why are people giving him credit in response to those who criticize him? Jim Buss doesn’t make decisions by himself and probably adds nothing to trade talks.

          1. First off: I think Mitch Kupchak is the brains of the ENTIRE operation (and yes, that includes Jeanie) and the most highly underrated executive in the history of pro sports. I would very comfortable if he took over and sent all the Busses home.

            That said, Jim holds the title and all parties agree the final decision is his. Besides, we gave his father credit for pretty much everything and he was nowhere near as hands-on as Jim.

          2. Agreed with the first part and disagree with the second paragraph. Jerry was at least a fan and knew who was talented and who wasn’t. He was also smart enough to put smarter people in charge whereas Jim thinks he knows all and fires people at the drop of a dime. If you don’t know what you are doing why are you firing everyone and making decisions? Just to show Phil Jackson and the world you aren’t incompetent and can handle the role daddy left for you despite the fact that you are incompetent?

      2. My passion and love is computers, video games and my girlfriend. Yet here I am, a Laker fan of 27 years with gobs of knowledge of the game, an understanding of the CBA and of the Lakers. I read all the articles, I listen to all the comments, evaluate and make my own judgments of moves made, I look at the current as well as what’s ahead. Just because a mans passion and love is one thing, doesn’t mean he’s not versed in doing other things. I’m doing a job that I’m not the biggest fan of, but it pays the bills and I do it to the very best of my abilities.

        1. I’m not going to keep arguing with you about a well known fact league wide-Jim Buss is incompetent and wasn’t even a fan of basketball. These are the facts. How do you have faith in a man well known for goofing off because he didn’t care? He was a spoiled son who only has his position through nepotism. I’m sure a fan off the street could do better. He went from not caring for basketball to the head of operations within 4 years. Anyone else would still be working at the bottom, probably cleaning jerseys or something. This is why the team is a joke to everyone.

          That comparison is a poor one because you aren’t responsible for a billion dollar empire and thousands of employees.

          1. not every fan has learned from Dr. Buss and Jerry West, two of the greatest minds of basketball. If Jerry West believes in Jim, so do I

          2. Ha. Jerry knows his son Ryan is there to hold Jims hand. I trust him too, he was convinced to grab Clarkson by Ryan West. That gives me faith that at least he listens.

    3. Clap, clap!! I’ve been roasted by blame game Lakers fans on this site for 5 years now because I saw it like this.

      Kudos to you for not being a butt hurt sheep who allows the mass media hype too cloud the truth.

          1. Your boyfriend confirmed what I have been telling you for years! “You have to assume that, ‘What was the thought process behind that? Why would you nix a deal that turned out to be better than the deal (that they vetoed)?…That kind of handcuffed (New Orleans) for years. It didn’t make any sense, but I want to see what they were thinking.”

      1. I’m getting roasted by Legacy there below but all he’s offered is his opinion with no real context with which to judge it by. The moves are the moves, they’ve been made. They’re made by Buss who has final say, Mitch Kupchak and I’m sure the input of a couple of others. But these moves were his moves and the moves that have been made even now with Randle and Russell, the decision to spend the money to get Jordan Clarkson, the shrewd financial moves to build a young core while maintaining flexibility to hopefully bring in a big time star, that’s all because of Buss. This next offseason, we likely lose Kobe. But we have 3 young guys to build around, we have guys in Hibbert, Bass and Williams that can solidify and provide that veteran presence, give this team a core to put around a big time star if we can pick one up in the offseason. There is a vision to this team that people miss and I can see it.

        1. It’s been there. Folks just don’t pay proper attention. The FO was trying to prepare for life after Kobe back in 2011 when Phil retired. Every move was one that actually said analytics, modern NBA offense and the end of the triangle. People overlooked the fact that Mike Brown was a huge analytics nerd. Didn’t he have beef with Metta, and Metta called him statboy? D’Antoni is the guy who brought this analytics fad to the NBA. The CP3 trade nix set us back almost a decade. The reactionary 12-13 super team gamble was a good one but injury destroyed that short term fix. The only beef I had with Jimmy is flirting with Phil after firing Brown. He shouldhave never cconsidered Phil as the triangle era was long over and we needed to not have it hanging over the franchise.

          1. That’s my only one as well, though it’s been said enough that it was Jerry, not Jim who actually signed off on Mike D’Antoni to run the team. Jerry wanted to bring back Showtime to the Lakers and get away from the triangle, had been wanting to for years. D’Antoni was the best coach for it but had the wrong personnel for it as well.

            He also gets roasted for the Nash trade which at the time, great trade. No one could foresee that Nash would have gotten injured the unusual way he did and unfortunately, weird things like that happen. The Lakers could trade for LeBron James tomorrow and it would be lauded as the best thing the franchise has done since it brought on Shaq and Kobe and then suddenly, LeBron goes down with a career ending injury and then what? Suddenly it’s the worst move ever because of what we’d probably have to give up and it would set us back nearly a decade again. Buss would be roasted again.

          2. The truly sad part about all the sheeple Jimmy Buss haters is how they ignore all that Dr. Buss did and said in advance of the transition of power beyond him. Dr. Buss predicted all that has come to be since his passing. He told Jimmy to be ready for the wolves. He was upset with how turncoat and spoiled the fan base was in 2005. Dr Buss really closed ranks at that point and even Jeanie was on the outside as she could not get over her dad forcing Phil out. People seem to forget or don’t want to admit, it was Dr. Buss who was tired of Phil. He was done with Phil the same way Jerry West was.West also threw shade on the fan baseas he saw a major difference in the Showtime fans of the Forum VS. the Lakeshow fans of Staples. He just recently spoke on this citing the Warriors fans as much better than Lakers. OUCH!

            Anyway you cut it Jimmy and Mitch have done a fairly good job. I’ve said this befre, I’ll say it again, I’m one of those Showtime fans who understands the need for patience.

          3. My experience with the Lakers started back in 87. I caught the back end of the Showtime Era. I grew up through the 12 of no championships years, through the Divac/Threatt era (Yes, Sedale Threatt, I went there lol). I cried when Magic retired because I thought he was going to die from HIV. I remember combing the newspapers, every sports station, everything when I heard about Shaq possibly coming to LA. I also remember Shaq was bummed out that the Lakers traded Anthony Peeler to free up salary for him (Shaq admitted later he’d have taken less to keep Peeler), watched Kobe’s entire career to this point. I know it can go 12 years before a ring and I’m ok with that. I know it can go 5 years too. It is what it is and it takes time to build a dynasty. Most fans just don’t get it.

          4. Well said. I’ve been a fan since 77. I caught the tail end of the thuglife nba years, when Kareem was a complete hot head fighting all the time. I recall how bad West was as a HC and how cheap Cooke was as an owner. I remember Dr Buss almost blowing up Showtime, with his obsession over Roy Tarpley, who he wanted to trade Worthy for. I recall how Buss and West bumped head’s over all kinds of things over the years. I remember the 89-90 season of dysfunction as Riley began to feel himself right before he bounced.

            The bottom line is how Dr. Buss was open to dialogue with West and Kupchak, and he passed that on to Jimmy contrary to what Magic and Stefanie A. Smith says.

          5. Cool stories bros. Whats this got to do with Jim being incompetent.

          6. Here you are twisting the truth again as usual like I told you months ago yet you argued me down for DAYS. He said the difference in fan base was based on more celebrities hogging up seats. He still said the fans are great. The Warriors have sudden fake fans, give them a few years and let celebrities and big time rich folks start filling up the stadium and see how bad their fans are then. The fans in Staples arent a true representation of Lakers fans and he also said that!! Vegas Summer League was lively because seats were cheaper and thus real fans could go support.

            Its amazing how I can tell you something and you disagree yet let Jim Buss confirm it or Jerry West say it and suddenly you agree. This is why I dislike you. guess who…

          7. Boy I sho must get under your skin. LMBO You constantly got yo panties in a bunch in following my comments? West said exactly what I stated. He even said as much back in 2000 when he made the decision to leave. He cited how cutthroat things were getting around the franchise. That was a big part of the daily stress he needed to get away from. It was fans, media and the pressure of the job.

          8. Why can’t you ever debate like an adult without resorting to ad hominem attacks? This coming from a man clearly in his 50s. My panties are fully intact and not in a bunch. This is a public board. If you don’t want people to pull your card when you twist the truth then don’t post at all.

          9. You can miss me with that fake victim ISH! You the one who insulted me from the beginning with a diss about my commentary. After that I have no remorse for calling you a buster or whatever. You the one following my comments with snide remarks.

          10. A diss? Where? You sure are sensitive. I have never seen you have a respectful conversation unless the other person fully agrees with you. You’re like 58 years old…stop using words like “buster”. Lets stick to facts.

          11. You convict yourself trying to figure out who and what i am while looking to diss. Again, you start the mess. Then you seem to have a strange interest in all of my conversations?!? Outside of your attacks on me I couldn’t tell you a thing about what you’ve said to others.

            And I’ll use whatever words I want. That’s just another self conviction, trying the digital bully pulpit. SMH

          12. That first sentence doesn’t make any sense. I called you a butt kisser, you called me a buster and said my panties were in a bunch. I think it’s clear you are the angry and worst offender here. Once again I don’t have a strange interest in your conversations-I take issue with you and Joseph stretching the truth. Other unsuspecting fans may read it and then repeat what you two have claimed which is how myths and lies keep growing and growing.

            Now why are you so angry whenever people dare disagree with you?

          13. That first sentence doesn’t make any sense. I called you a butt kisser, you called me a buster and said my panties were in a bunch. I think it’s clear you are the angry and worst offender here. Once again I don’t have a strange interest in your conversations-I take issue with you and Joseph stretching the truth. Other unsuspecting fans may read it and then repeat what you two have claimed which is how myths and lies keep growing and growing.

            Now why are you so angry whenever people dare disagree with you?

          14. Nah, you started the messy ISH well before that comment. You came at me outta no where talking bout dumb comments. You seem to be one of those digital thugs who like to bait folks into a quick wit diss debate? You can disagree with me all day but when you come at me outta no where calling me dumb, the discourse eith continue on a foul mouf path.

          15. And in thst 2005 exclusive interview with Michael Eaves that Dr. Buss had he absolutely scoffed at blame gsme uninformed fans. Buss wss truly hurt by the impatience.

          16. What is your point? Me saying Jim Buss is incompetent doesn’t make me impatient. You have a hard time correlating things. People have a right to disagree with their favorite teams decisions wihout you labelling them spoiled or insulting them. Grow up.

          17. Again, NOT TRUE. In the joint interview with Jeanie and Jim it was said by Jeanie that their father was too ill at that time to make decisions. The D’Antoni fiasco was Jim Buss and co. Your comments are completely wrong yet you question the merit of others. The fact that Jim would lie and toss his dead father under the bus to save himself shows how what type of low character human he truly is. I don’t trust him.

          18. Hahaha JoJo Lawson won’t reply to this because it destroys the lie he just posted.

          19. Dr. Buss 2005 exclusive interview with Michael Eaves. If you’re a true fan you saw these things happen.

          20. Another #1 Fan, the truest of all true fans telling other fans why they’re not a true fan or as true a fan as them.

          21. “If you’re a true fan you saw these things happen. ”

            How am I saying he’s not a true fan?

          22. You’re saying…if he missed ONE event, ONE interview…not 2, not 3, but ONE missed event/interview means he is not a true fan.

            What’s the definition of a TRUE FAN anyways?

          23. Again how am I saying he’s not a true fan? My statement was abstract and general not a direct and absolute conviction of his fanhood.

            IMO, A true fan is one that understands there will be ups and downs that requires fans to be patient.

          24. Whenever one uses a form of “you”, the message is direct. And even if you meant it to be abstract and general, is the statement correct? Missing one event or interview doesn’t revoke one’s fan badge, at least in my eyes.

            I agree with your definition. However, just like the FO gets praise when things go well, they should expect to get hate when things go awry

          25. He asked where I got the info. I gave him just one instance of it. Maybe I should have seperated that sentenace but it wss general as to how easy it is to have noted that and other things I’ve stated.

            Why would a fan of a team hate a FO? Hate is a strong emotion. And in this case many are hating on one individual when all parties involved, including Dr. Buss told us over and over all decisions are collective.

          26. Daryl is the true fan police. Apparently being older than someone means he is a better fan. Dr. Buss was preparing for D’Antoni and Kobe leaving in 2005. Hahaha. He must have been nostradamus.

          27. I will look into this. I don’t know what you define as a true fan but I am a loyal supporter and follower of the Lakers. So you are telling me in this interview he made these claims,
            “The FO was trying to prepare for life after Kobe back in 2011 when Phil retired. Every move was one that actually said analytics, modern NBA offense and the end of the triangle.”? Or any of the other claims you made in that comment?

          28. I encourage you to do so. You’ll find it almost eerie how the things Dr. Buss said bsck then, during that rough patch we had post Shaq are so prophetic as pertains to today’s conversations.

            As for the other stuff. I’m sure you remember Metta calling Brown stat boy? I’m very curious as to why you eould not remember the triaknowledge. ngle culture being disassembled? The Mike Brown hire over Brian Shaw was a clear indicator of that. Then a double down eith D”Antonio over Phil. D’Antoni is small ball analytics. That’s common

        2. “that’s all because of Buss.” Do you have proof of this because none of those moves other than Russell were Jim Buss decisions, especially not Clarkson. That was Ryan West. Not a fact in this comment you wrote and his latest pick in Russell has not impressed anyone yet. If he is a bust I guarantee you all would still say we can’t blame Jim Buss.

        3. You question someones opinion and say they provide no context, yet you make soo many assumptions. If you honestly think this is how Buss planned it, you’re asleep. If anything, kupcake salvaged another disastrous off season by getting hibbert and signing lou. They got lucky…no need to give credit. Who would think the 46th pick could turn into a potential all star and make such a quick impact? Who thought randle was gonna fall to #7? There’s no such thing as maintaining flexibility right now..you know why? The cap space is gonna increase for everyone next yr and these rookies are on their rookie deals.

          They (FO) had a choice with the #2 pick…they went with russell. So far, it aint looking that good. So yea, it seems they mess up every time they have direct control over something.

          I might add, they got lucky the russell pick didn’t go to 76ers

          Stop trying to forcibly credit the FO and label their lucky breaks as VISION

          1. It’s hilarious that these two clowns think these last terrible four years were planned for years ahead. Hahahaha. God if this was their plan we would have been better off with no plan.

          2. I mean, the points they make could be used for that argument. However, if you scratch deep enough and see why certain things happened or how they happened…the points being made are contrived and twisted to fit into the shoe (argument) stated. Simply no way this was the vision. Stevie wonders has better vision than this. Everyone was lost…We caught lucky breaks. Huge breaks.

            The one thing that proves this was not the plan, or that they were planning this since 2011 is our draft pick situation. Our 1st rounders have been thrown away. We won’t get to see a 1st rounder that belongs to us til 2018. Somehow we kept the #4 (now #2) pick from the 76ers this year

    4. You’re comments are spot on. People on here are amazing to complain about two hamstrung years. You can’t straighten everything at once especially when you’re thrown a curve ball by stern and the group of envious owners. I give props to Jim for staying quiet and taking the criticism like a man by not immediately lashing out at his strongest critics (aka Magic). His dad had a quiet approach as well. But guess what…we’re almost back to glory in a SHORT time.

      1. I am not taking sides on the Magic and Jim discussion, but I will give Magic a pass because of all he has meant to us and the entire league.

        He LOVES his Lakers like some of us also do and when you have that much passion you have the right to be concerned and stand up for what you love…even if people think he was wrong to do so.

        1. I want to give magic a pass but I cant he sold his rights to the team and now hes talking way to much. he needs to shut up and let the cards fall were they may he has no idea what is going on behind the media fog

          1. He is a Laker for life!

            You cant ask a person like that to just let it go. Purple and gold are in his veins. Impossible.

          2. he needs to just not comment about them. you don’t here kareem or west out there talking bad about the lakers every chance they get

          3. Kareem has also made comments from what I remember reading but not on the level of Magic.

            West has also made suggestions but you are right he has not been outspoken negatively towards our organization.

          4. Im not defending nor condoning his actions but his love for the Lakers is unquestionable

          5. that’s true and once the team goes up for sell and i do believe unless were contending in two seasons it will be sold i want magic and the doger owner group to buy us

      2. Oh boy some of you just do not get it! LAMARCUS ALDRIDGE just said yesterday that their presentation to free agents wasn’t good, along with a host of others. The FO is currently a mess and as a fan if that doesn’t bother you then why are you even a fan? No one expects a title every year but when your team now has a reputation of dysfunction you should be concerned. It’s not about being spoiled. JESUS CHRIST!!

    5. I don’t disagree with you to a point but for every smart move hes made he has also made stupid moves.
      the nash trade was stupid from the get 1 season I could understand but to sign a 38 year old pg to a 3 year 30m deal was stupid.
      the odom trade was stupid. he was mad about the cp3 trade but jimm should have sat on him tell he got over it or traded him for 6moy value.
      we had a shot to trade Bynum, blake, Walton and a future pick to den in 2011 for melo and billups we should have made that trade.
      letting sesh walk when he wanted to be here for nash was stupid.
      letting arzia go was stupid.
      letting farmar go was stupid.
      jimm lets his ego get in the way of smart basketball moves.

      1. I dont agree with everything you wrote but I agree some moves were questionable. And so I have to wonder If you are right about his ego. I hope not.

        Was it his ego when Upshaw got waived? Did Upshaw say something that the FO didnt agree with? If it was an ego based decision, that would be dumb. Im not trying to create hate but rather I dont want the Upshaw thing to turn into the JFK unexplained mystery. I want to give Jim credit if indeed he did the right thing by releasing Upshaw

          1. 1) NOW I hate nash the trash, but back then I was extatic for what COULD HAVE been with an effective nash. In retrospect it was a bad move, but at the time I thought it was worth the risk

            2) Farmar was good and one of my favorites but Farmar made his own decision to leave us TWICE.

            3) Odom had issues and was in decline.

          2. 1. im not mad at the nash trade. I mad at the 3 year 30m deal given to a 37 year old player.
            he should have given him 1 year or none at all.
            2. farmar left the first time because we wanted blake. we should have brought him back. blake was redundant when we had fisher

          3. As far as paying nash, which I sorely regret, at the time nash was as valuable as what he could get in an open market. His stock was in very high demand at the time. Su cks but what can we do.

          4. i was happy for the trade but even back then i said we should have gone after jouse caldaron in a three team deal with tor-pho-lal

          5. But I think Jim gets a pass for that one. He had the right idea. nash just reduced himself to a leach thats all.

          6. like i said im not made at the trade its the yers that were and are stupid.
            i cant give him a pass on them years

          7. Paul’s veto’ed trade, Nash’s injury, Coward turning tail and running, a lot of things have happened around big time stars that have been brought in. Hindsight is 20/20.

          8. I wouldn’t say Nash reduced himself, breaking his leg which I believe was actually the along the top of the bone, exposing the nerve root and the constant irritation to that nerve which also racked his back, wasn’t much he could have done. Total freak injury.

          9. Blake was a combo guard and a better defender. Blake could play both PG and SG positions.

          10. blake was not a better defender then farmar we went with blake because he was a pure pg

          11. Blake played both PG and SG for the Lakers and for Portland prior. He was a physical defender and one that Portland even relied upon to defend Kobe, which he actually did a credible job during his time in Portland, Kobe had even credited to that as much.

          12. 1.he played on the clippers before coming to the lakers
            2. he was a good defender but not better then farmar

          13. blake is a better player then farmar but farmar fit the lakers nees a ton more then blake

          14. never said farmar was the better player. I said faramr was better for the team. and im right

          15. it wouldn’t have mattered. Kobe’s health was deteriorating as he said he couldn’t give it his all in Phil’s last run that year due to his knees

          16. kobe had to carry a hugh load in phils last season because the bench was worse then it used to be

          17. I never spoke on who was a better player. I just said Blake is the better defender.

          18. I beg to differ. Blake was a better overall defender than Jordan. I’ve seen Blake give CP3 fits Blake is better overall like Fisher was over Jordan. Farmar just had quickness on both, allowing him to get more steals and sometimes stay in front of quick pg’s better.

          19. and Farmar came back to Lakers in 2013. Then he decided to sign with Clippers after not trusting lakers

          20. which is what the lakers needed. he allredy had great man to man defender in fisher we did not need blake he was redundant

          21. Fisher was not in the future plans. We know this as Fish was traded for Sessions in 2011. Farmar was not a Lakers yet.

          22. Ahh but Fish was traded to allow Sessions to be the focal point as our PG.

          23. He played for 2 1/2 season for Portland and 2 years earlier another with Portland. During that half season, his last season with Portland he was traded to the Clippers. He only played 29 games with the Clips before becoming a free agent and joining the Lakers. He was a superior defender to Farmar, especially being able to guard both guard positions and Farmar was an ok defender at best.

          24. his man to man i would agree was better then farmars but farmar was a much better team defender

      2. Farmar was smart
        He didn’t let Ariza go, Ariza’s agent screwed up big time. That was Jerry’s call too.
        Sessions hasn’t been anything special since he left and was an ok point guard when we had him. We wouldn’t be going anywhere with him.
        Odom’s value was dead and he wanted out. He was let go out of respect. One thing I can credit the Lakers for is respecting players and player wishes.
        Nash was still playing at a high level and had the type of game that translated to continue playing high despite his age. He had a freak injury that damaged the nerve in his leg which also affected the nerve in his back. Not much you can do. Like Shaun Livingston when he went for a dunk and his knee completely gave out and his leg folded under him. Things happen.
        Stupid moves happen, Jerry Buss made his share as well.
        As far as Melo, I’m glad we didn’t get him. Melo’s game wouldn’t translate well with Kobe’s. The guy is an overpriced name brand. The guy can score, but so could Kobe. The guy couldn’t defend worth a damn. Couldn’t defend his own shadow let alone his own mother.

        1. 1. the farmar move was not smart. we needed his change of pace off the bench behind fisher instead we got blake who was a fisher 2.0 and made us easy to guard.
          2. no he let arzia go. he wanted a 5 year 35m deal we payed ron 5 years 32m we should heve kept arzia and also got ron.
          (cut luke Walton and his 5m deal). this was a case of jim being cheep and letting his ego get in the way of paying arzia
          3. sesh was nothing great I agree but he was and is better then blake and would have been payed slightly more then blake. you trade blake and keep sesh if you really wanted nash.
          4.odom was coming off of a 6 man of the year his value was never higher.
          5.nash was 37 you don’t give a 37 year old pg a 3 year 30 m deal. 1 year 10 I get but 3 year 30 no way

          1. Farmar was reckless with the ball period. The Farmar move was smart. When he was under control and his shot was falling he was good, problem is, that was inconsistent. There’s a reason he didn’t last in the NBA.
            No, he did not let Ariza go. Ariza’s agent was pulling for much more money than that and was roasting the Lakers front office in the media in the process. I remember the articles in LA Times and such.
            You keep Blake because he could actually play defense against both PG and SG positions and could play both PG and SG positions. The guy was a solid combo guard and gave you versatility. Sessions was a decent playmaking point guard and not much else.
            Despite his 6th man value, when Odom got emotional, demanded a trade, his value tanked. His value was high during the Paul trade, once that trade failed, his and Pau’s trade values plummeted and were never the same. GM’s knew that if they were going to trade for them, they could offer less than what their value was because of the circumstances. Despite how solid Pau still was, his value couldn’t garner even a 1st rounder.
            I don’t entirely agree with Nash’s contract, but this is the Lakers and money has never been an issue to them. The last year of his contract could have also been a great trade chip if they could have used it and decided instead to let his contract fall off payroll. Again, stuff happens and Nash wasn’t the kind of player you typically would have to worry about getting those kind of injuries. He’s not a very fast player, he didn’t play above the rim and wasn’t going to be prone to serious injury. It was a competitive offer though that kept him from Toronto.

          2. 1. farmar was a change of pace guard u need in the nba every title team has one.
            2. he let arzia go he was cheep. we could have traded Walton out of the team and kept arzia.
            3. no you keep sesh who was younger and better
            4.odoms value was fine and if not you sit on him and make him play with the team. the way the suns are with morris this season
            5. if money was never an issue with the lakers arzia would still be on this team. the nash deal was stupid.
            6. the lakers should have been a filclitator in the trade to send nash to Toronto for jouse caldaron

          3. A change of pace guard is only good if he can play under control. Farmar couldn’t play under control, usually played at one pace, and was reckless.
            I’ve said enough about Ariza’s agent
            Blake, combo guard. Sesh wanted to start, Blake was a bench guy who could play 2 spots and defend 2 positions. Was also a reliable 3pt shooter and solid passer. While older, Blake was better.
            Morris is young and isn’t going to get worse, Odom was on the wrong side of 30 and while an excellent 6th man, showed the next season how much the trade impacted him emotionally
            Calderon was only so good and has never been the All Star caliber point guard we needed. Really, the Paul trade should have never been vetoed so we wouldn’t have been in the position to trade for Nash.

          4. Joseph has a problem with facts and the truth, he’s quite allergic to it.

          1. Am I trolling? Really? I’d question whether or not you are actually. I’ve been on this page a while now, giving and getting reasonable responses as well as crap from people like you who actually seem to be doing the trolling. The biggest troll I know here is Joshhh.

          2. I wouldn’t call posting blatantly wrong information that has already been disputed by the owner of the team “reasonable”. Maybe you just weren’t aware but now you know so look into that before you keep repeating erroneous information.

    6. I give credit where the credit is due; Jimmy had the balls to risky basketball moves many in the league didn’t but I won’t give credit poor basketball decisions.

      While the Chris Paul trade looked great on paper; it does not mean the combo of Bryant & Paul would actually work-I always had my doubts. After the Paul nix trade they went hunting for PGs trading for Sessions, Nash losing three 1st rounders and 2 second rounders. They could have had Lowry for one 1st round or they could have picked up Dragic off the restricted list like the Suns did. The moves he made prior was partly due to the input of PJ; yes if you have a great coach your basketball decisions are much more prudent.

  • It was the worst veto of all time. All three teams were getting great players. Pau Gasol was going to the Rockets. The Hornets were getting plenty of depth. Lamar Odom (6th man of the year), Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, and Goran Dragic. Its one of the reasons I can’t stand Mark Cuban or Dan Gilbert. Cuban tries to go big every year and always fails to get A or even B quality free agents. He still thinks he can win around Dirk lol

      1. because of that trade veto which pushed us into the direction of going for nash. New orleans just got lucky in the lottery and landed Davis.

        1. the pelicans pick was not davis it was the clippers pick that was daivs

          its kinda funny

          the clippers could have irving, gorden, davis instead of cp3 and redic

  • It was the worst veto of all time. All three teams were getting great players. Pau Gasol was going to the Rockets. The Hornets were getting plenty of depth. Lamar Odom (6th man of the year), Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, and Goran Dragic. Its one of the reasons I can’t stand Mark Cuban or Dan Gilbert. Cuban tries to go big every year and always fails to get A or even B quality free agents. He still thinks he can win around Dirk lol

      1. because of that trade veto which pushed us into the direction of going for nash. New orleans just got lucky in the lottery and landed Davis.

        1. the pelicans pick was not davis it was the clippers pick that was daivs

          its kinda funny

          the clippers could have irving, gorden, davis instead of cp3 and redic

  • You have to assume that, ‘What was the thought process behind that? Why would you nix a deal that turned out to be better than the deal (that they vetoed)?…That kind of handcuffed (New Orleans) for years. It didn’t make any sense, but I want to see what they were thinking.”

    I have been saying this since it happened YET Daryl Peek (Jim’s resident butt kisser) continues to argue otherwise! I WONDER what he has to say now! HMMM…..

    We all know the NBA vetoed the trade because they are intent on keeping the Lakers down and out yet we make the league the most in revenue! How can you say you want competitive balance while the trade you veto makes the Clippers instead contenders and allow Lebron to team hop while trading for all the best talent? Absurd!

    1. I don’t mind saying “we” when talking about the Lakers team and hopes for winning. When you start talking about revenue, that definitely isn’t “we” because I get none of it.

      1. “We” meaning us fans purchase tickets, jerseys and other assorted Lakers items that adds to their revenue.

        Yes of course WE don’t get a cut of it. The point was the Lakers make the most money largely in part due to us, the large fan base.

  • You have to assume that, ‘What was the thought process behind that? Why would you nix a deal that turned out to be better than the deal (that they vetoed)?…That kind of handcuffed (New Orleans) for years. It didn’t make any sense, but I want to see what they were thinking.”

    I have been saying this since it happened YET Daryl Peek (Jim’s resident butt kisser) continues to argue otherwise! I WONDER what he has to say now! HMMM…..

    We all know the NBA vetoed the trade because they are intent on keeping the Lakers down and out yet we make the league the most in revenue! How can you say you want competitive balance while the trade you veto makes the Clippers instead contenders and allow Lebron to team hop while trading for all the best talent? Absurd!

    1. I don’t mind saying “we” when talking about the Lakers team and hopes for winning. When you start talking about revenue, that definitely isn’t “we” because I get none of it.

      1. “We” meaning us fans purchase tickets, jerseys and other assorted Lakers items that adds to their revenue.

        Yes of course WE don’t get a cut of it. The point was the Lakers make the most money largely in part due to us, the large fan base.

  • I’d like to see a statue of David Stern outside Staples Center – made of feces.

    Screw that old crap. I’m at the moment looking forward to once again see Randle “groom” Green. It’s almost like the good old days when Kobe made Pippen his little girlfriend. Good times! 😀

    1. Best idea I’ve read in a while. You could make the statue and then have fans throw objects at it for $1 a piece.

  • I’d like to see a statue of David Stern outside Staples Center – made of feces.

    Screw that old crap. I’m at the moment looking forward to once again see Randle “groom” Green. It’s almost like the good old days when Kobe made Pippen his little girlfriend. Good times! 😀

    1. Best idea I’ve read in a while. You could make the statue and then have fans throw objects at it for $1 a piece.

  • And Cleveland owner was the first to complain while they hoarded the 1st round picks given to by the NBA , Phil Jackson calls the NBA out on them having ownership of a team that results in conflict of interest, then he gets fined and at the day he was right all along. The NBA owners Cubans, Gilbert, POP with his rant on Gasol trade, they all have it out for the Lakers.

  • And Cleveland owner was the first to complain while they hoarded the 1st round picks given to by the NBA , Phil Jackson calls the NBA out on them having ownership of a team that results in conflict of interest, then he gets fined and at the day he was right all along. The NBA owners Cubans, Gilbert, POP with his rant on Gasol trade, they all have it out for the Lakers. After that nixed trade, thats went it went downhill from there, a confused Gasol, a heartbroken Odom that couldn’t think straight.

  • Stern was making it up to the league for the Pau Gasol trade. Remember how NBA owners cried that the Lakers traded with Memphis for a bag of magic beans. The Grizzlies were rewarded with his brother Marc. I say that’s fair.

    1. Memphis also got cap space in the form of Kwame Brown’s expiring contract…it really was a win-win deal.

  • Stern was making it up to the league for the Pau Gasol trade. Remember how NBA owners cried that the Lakers traded with Memphis for a bag of magic beans. The Grizzlies were rewarded with his brother Marc. I say that’s fair.

    1. Memphis also got cap space in the form of Kwame Brown’s expiring contract…it really was a win-win deal.

  • I think we have a far shot to the playoffs. We have talent, but our inexperiense will cost us too many close games. We might compete every single game until the 4 quarter. But in the close moments our inexperiense will show up.

    OKC
    Warriors
    Spurs
    Clippers
    Rockets
    Memphis
    Pelicans
    Suns
    Kings
    Lakers
    Jazz
    Mavericks
    Portland
    Denver
    Wolves

        1. Clarkson will be on the floor at the end of games. I would hope its Clarkson, Lou, Kobe, Randle, and Hibbert

          1. Not sure there is a better player to have the ball in the hands of late in a game than Kobe. And I like Huertas, but his problem late in a game may be on the defensive end of the court, not sure. So that is what makes Clarkson a question mark instead of Huertas. But I am not a one way to do things guy. I am a “win anyway” that works at the particular moment. The game and who you are playing or having to matchup with determines who is out on the floor. And how each player is playing on that particular night. Some players play better at home and some are road dogs. There are no absolutes other than rolling with a proven champion IMO.

            Paytc

          2. Was that a meaningful game or a playoff? And how many times has he knock it down? Name the player with more clutch shots? The player the League caters to Lebron James is afraid to take the last shot.

            You can have the last word Jim Rome.

            Go Lakers !

            Paytc

          3. Over 6000 assist validates he has passed the ball more than Ray Allen, D. Wade, Rajon Rondo, Jason Terry, Deron Williams, and Derek Fisher just to name a few of the thousands of players he’s passed the ball more than.

            Why even worry about what anyone who would search as hard as they can to point out a few negatives about one of the greatest of all time?

            We can find good and not so good to point out about everyone in existence.

            One fact won’t change no mater how much hate is used…..

            Kobe Bryant is the hands down best of his era and one of the greatest to ever play.

            Paytc

          4. Neither was Steph Curry a couple of nights ago. Or neither was Steph Curry in the championship finals when they gave Matt Dellavedova credit for shutting him down when his shot was off that night.

            Any coach that wants to keep his job and has a clue puts the ball in the hands of the player that has been there and does that.

            There is no active player greater.

            Paytc

    1. your overrating the suns by a lot. the pelicans cant stay healthy and the kings look like a bomb waiting to blow

        1. The rockets are actually very good, they went all the way to the wcf with a depleted lineup, can’t imagine how far they go with a full healthy roster

          1. He never was the past few seasons still their roster is pretty impressive Jones and montejunas are really good young bigs and not to mention they got some promising rookies in decker and Harrell

          2. the reason i agree with the rockets question mark is the fact that Lawson might not fit. howard is never healthy and harden was remarkable healthy last season.
            if harde gets injured they will be in trouble.
            don’t for get ock was expected to be a lock last season and they missed the playoffs

          3. True,sadly even with their injuries their lineup is still miles ahead on what the Lakers currently have

          4. just watching the games and knowing basketball once can see if healthy this team is 20+ wins better then last season

          5. Dude that’s a bit unrealistic considering we have alot of newbies and players who haven’t played together before not to mention b scott

    2. Kings will implode, Rondo+Cousins+ Karl is recipe for disaster. Suns aren’t too good. I expect Lakers, Pelicans, Jazz to fight for 7 and 8

  • I think we have a far shot to the playoffs. We have talent, but our inexperiense will cost us too many close games. We might compete every single game until the 4 quarter. But in the close moments our inexperiense will show up.

    OKC
    Warriors
    Spurs
    Clippers
    Rockets
    Memphis
    Pelicans
    Suns
    Kings
    Lakers
    Jazz
    Mavericks
    Portland
    Denver
    Wolves

        1. Clarkson will be on the floor at the end of games. I would hope its Clarkson, Lou, Kobe, Randle, and Hibbert

          1. Not sure there is a better player to have the ball in the hands of late in a game than Kobe. And I like Huertas, but his problem late in a game may be on the defensive end of the court, not sure. So that is what makes Clarkson a question mark instead of Huertas. But I am not a one way to do things guy. I am a “win anyway” that works at the particular moment guy. The game and who you are playing or having to matchup with determines who is out on the floor. And how each player is playing on that particular night. Some players play better at home and some are road dogs. There are no absolutes other than rolling with a proven champion IMO.

            Paytc

          2. Was that a meaningful game or a playoff? And how many times has he knock it down? Name the player with more clutch shots? The player the League caters to Lebron James is afraid to take the last shot.

            You can have the last word Jim Rome.

            Go Lakers !

            Paytc

          3. Over 6000 assist validates he has passed the ball more than Ray Allen, D. Wade, Rajon Rondo, Jason Terry, Deron Williams, and Derek Fisher just to name a few of the thousands of players he’s passed the ball more than.

            Why even worry about what anyone who would search as hard as they can to point out a few negatives about one of the greatest of all time?

            We can find good and not so good to point out about everyone in existence.

            One fact won’t change no mater how much hate is used…..

            Kobe Bryant is the hands down best of his era and one of the greatest to ever play.

            Paytc

          4. Neither was Steph Curry a couple of nights ago. Or neither was Steph Curry in the championship finals when they gave Matt Dellavedova credit for shutting him down when his shot was off that night.

            Any coach that wants to keep his job and has a clue puts the ball in the hands of the player that has been there and does that.

            There is no active player greater.

            Paytc

    1. your overrating the suns by a lot. the pelicans cant stay healthy and the kings look like a bomb waiting to blow

        1. The rockets are actually very good, they went all the way to the wcf with a depleted lineup, can’t imagine how far they go with a full healthy roster

          1. He never was the past few seasons still their roster is pretty impressive Jones and montejunas are really good young bigs and not to mention they got some promising rookies in decker and Harrell

          2. the reason i agree with the rockets question mark is the fact that Lawson might not fit. howard is never healthy and harden was remarkable healthy last season.
            if harde gets injured they will be in trouble.
            don’t for get ock was expected to be a lock last season and they missed the playoffs

          3. True,sadly even with their injuries their lineup is still miles ahead on what the Lakers currently have

          4. just watching the games and knowing basketball once can see if healthy this team is 20+ wins better then last season

          5. Dude that’s a bit unrealistic considering we have alot of newbies and players who haven’t played together before not to mention b scott

    2. Kings will implode, Rondo+Cousins+ Karl is recipe for disaster. Suns aren’t too good. I expect Lakers, Pelicans, Jazz to fight for 7 and 8

  • I think spots 7 and 8 are up for grabs… Don’t think the Pels are a shoe in. The key is really building that chemistry quickly. We have a significantly better roster considering our third unit this year would have probably started or been first ones off the bench last year. Along with Kobe’s health, Hibbert will be a huge factor in our success. Need that interior D. The rest will fall into place.

    It’s almost time Laker Nation!

    1. Man, Pelicans still have one of the best players in the game. Anthony Davis can carry his team to the playoffs. Them still better than us, in my mind.
      But well, we have to start hot this season. Our opponents in the beggining of the season are at least in the same level than us. Not better.
      Lets hope the young guys take the challenge and Byron made the right moves in the crunch times!

      Go Lakers!

      1. I think the Lakers have the talent, but they need to rely on playing team basketball, and it starts with Kobe

      2. the pelicans are banged up.
        evens out tell jan
        asik out tell late nov early dec
        cole out tell dec
        that’s three big players for them out for a wile.

  • I think spots 7 and 8 are up for grabs… Don’t think the Pels are a shoe in. The key is really building that chemistry quickly. We have a significantly better roster considering our third unit this year would have probably started or been first ones off the bench last year. Along with Kobe’s health, Hibbert will be a huge factor in our success. Need that interior D. The rest will fall into place.

    It’s almost time Laker Nation!

    1. Man, Pelicans still have one of the best players in the game. Anthony Davis can carry his team to the playoffs. Them still better than us, in my mind.
      But well, we have to start hot this season. Our opponents in the beggining of the season are at least in the same level than us. Not better.
      Lets hope the young guys take the challenge and Byron made the right moves in the crunch times!

      Go Lakers!

      1. I think the Lakers have the talent, but they need to rely on playing team basketball, and it starts with Kobe

      2. the pelicans are banged up.
        evens out tell jan
        asik out tell late nov early dec
        cole out tell dec
        that’s three big players for them out for a wile.

  • I still remember watching Jerry West looking Stern right in the eye during the tribute to Dr. Buss and telling Stern that Jerry Buss never tried to take advantage of anybody and he always tried to give a fair deal.

  • I still remember watching Jerry West looking Stern right in the eye during the tribute to Dr. Buss and telling Stern that Jerry Buss never tried to take advantage of anybody and he always tried to give a fair deal.

          1. I would rather see Bass.

            I DO NOT TRUST SACRE AT ALL!!!!

            Sacre scares me!

          2. ohh i agree. imo bass is the third string center and scare is the 4th lol but for linups sakes he is third sring

          1. I would rather see Bass.

            I DO NOT TRUST SACRE AT ALL!!!!

            Sacre scares me!

          2. ohh i agree. imo bass is the third string center and scare is the 4th lol but for linups sakes he is third sring

    1. Whats being brought up is that this is the 1st time Jim is being public about how he feels, and this we should applaud!

    1. Whats being brought up is that this is the 1st time Jim is being public about how he feels, and this we should applaud!

  • Nice little reminder to Laker fans of how Jim Buss and our FO is so “inept” and have little “foresight”… oh wait…

  • Nice little reminder to Laker fans of how Jim Buss and our FO is so “inept” and have little “foresight”… oh wait…

  • The F has Chris Paul done anyway? Why you still going on about this? I think Sacre still being an NBA player makes much less sense than that deal being vetoed, which had the Lakers FO done their due diligence in the first place by consulting Stern before the trade, it would never have been sent to a vote by the jealous GMs. The FO was equally at fault.

    1. the lakers did their job the nba overstepped its power in the veto. i don’t care that stern was the owner he had let the gm do his job all season and off season before this trade then he comes in and vetos this deal because two owners cry

    2. Made more all star appearances and playoff appearances than anybody on the Lakers the last two years

  • The F has Chris Paul done anyway? Why you still going on about this? I think Sacre still being an NBA player makes much less sense than that deal being vetoed, which had the Lakers FO done their due diligence in the first place by consulting Stern before the trade, it would never have been sent to a vote by the jealous GMs. The FO was equally at fault.

    1. the lakers did their job the nba overstepped its power in the veto. i don’t care that stern was the owner he had let the gm do his job all season and off season before this trade then he comes in and vetos this deal because two owners cry

    2. Made more all star appearances and playoff appearances than anybody on the Lakers the last two years

  • Please Lakers writers, reporters, and fans quit talking about the Chris Paul trade and Dwight Howard leaving. It sounds like a man is bitter because his ex-girl got a new man. LETS MOVE ON!!!!!!! Thank you

    1. Thumbs up , it’s actually kinda embarrassing, time for Jim Bo and alot here to let it got and move on ,focus on what we have now

    2. The talk currently about it isn’t so much about the whining at this point, but making the argument that Jim Buss has made good moves that no credit is given to. I agree, Buss has had his share of bad moves too, so did Jerry. But every great move seems to be credited elsewhere and every bad move seems to always be Jim Buss. It’s ridiculous.

  • Please Lakers writers, reporters, and fans quit talking about the Chris Paul trade and Dwight Howard leaving. It sounds like a man is bitter because his ex-girl got a new man. LETS MOVE ON!!!!!!! Thank you

    1. Thumbs up , it’s actually kinda embarrassing, time for Jim Bo and alot here to let it got and move on ,focus on what we have now

    2. The talk currently about it isn’t so much about the whining at this point, but making the argument that Jim Buss has made good moves that no credit is given to. I agree, Buss has had his share of bad moves too, so did Jerry. But every great move seems to be credited elsewhere and every bad move seems to always be Jim Buss. It’s ridiculous.

  • Its funny that Joseph Lawson and Daryl Peek think they know so much about the inner workings of the Lakers yet everything they say is wrong. All it takes is a quick google search to fact check and realize they are both Jim Buss fan boys perpetuating lies.

    1. they both make great points but neither wants to admit jim has hurt us more then helped over the last 5 seasons

        1. what myths ar they repeating. outside of the last 5 seasons jim did a great job running the team.
          its been over the last 5 seasons were hes made stupid mistakes

          1. buss has ma good calls too its not all been bad people need to stop dealing in absoluts

          2. Agree with that but the folks on the opposite sides refuse to see this. Daryl and Joseph believe Jim does absolutely nothing wrong despite this team missing the playoffs for two straight seasons. It doesn’t even make sense to say he made brilliant decisions while that fact exists.

          3. se that i can agree with jimm (more so over the last 5 years) has made some stupid moves/ let his ego get in the way of bringing back players.

      1. How exactly has he hurt us? He took chances that failed but then turned out to be good in the end. That pick we gave up to the Suns for the Nash deal hasn’t hurt us yet. You trade Bynum for Dwight…that really didn’t hurt us either. We got a nice young core with Randle, Russell, and Clarkson. We got cap space next year with Kobe contract coming off the books. Took chances that didn’t work out but still put us in position to benefit from them.

        1. They’re trolls Dubz. Either that or their scope is too narrow to see the long term picture. They either want to Buss hate or just stir up crap here on the boards by simply creating an argument. A google search would actually validate many of the things I’ve said.

          1. I got everything u said. Ariza played his hand and ended up signing for the same amount Lakers offered. And Artest came cheaper…we still won with Artest over Ariza. Once we failed with resigning Dwight…Buss mindset instantly went to cap saving mode. We didn’t sign long term deals and started to plan for the draft. I can’t be mad at him.

          2. No, I’m ok with the Buss family not taking crap from David Lee (Ariza and Bynum’s agent) and turning away. Read up on David Lee, the guy is a moron. He wanted $50 mil for Ariza and he wanted max money for Bynum. Bynum had to step in on his agent and told him to accept the deal. Ariza was kept out of the loop.

          3. he wanted 5 years 40-45ish mill that’s close to the amount he got paid in hou at 5 years 38m.
            we should have paid him

          4. Ariza signed for the mid-level exception. Same deal as Ron Artest. But the Lakers won a ring in 2010, so it worked

          5. Ariza wanted 5 years 35-40 mil, his free agent was trying to milk it higher and was railroading the Lakers FO in the media. It’s not what Ariza wanted, it’s what his agent tried to pull.

          6. I believe it was a 4year 32mill contract that he signed with Houston…we offered that same contract.

          7. you pay to keep your players we were coming off of a title you don’t let a major pice of the puzzle walk like that.

          8. And yet we got another title with Metta. You don’t understand David Lee and his b.s. Guy thinks he Arn Tellem when he ain’t crap. Tried to be the Scott Boras from MLB of the NBA when he ain’t crap.

          9. you don’t understand the agent means nothing if the lakers would have given arzia wat he wanted

          10. he took the rockets money as a last resort/ the lakers offered 5 year 35m he wanted 5 years 40m
            the lakers let him walk over 5m over 5 years they were being cheep because they planed on getting ron regardless

          11. You still don’t get how David Lee works. He was double talking Ariza and the Lakers. Ariza was unaware about half of what was going on in the talks with the Lakers. Only his agent kept him in the loop. Ariza’s agent was trying to power play the Lakers, got other teams involved and again, railroaded and disrespected them. The Lakers didn’t like David Lee either because of his b.s. antics. The cut cord and went to Artest who’s physical play made a big difference against the Celtics anyway. I followed that whole ordeal when it went on. I was upset that Ariza was gone and happy that Artest was on board and pissed off the entire time at David Lee. In the end, the Lakers won a ring with Artest and I’m fine with it.

            But it’s a testament to when Lee is trying to posture a second time with the Lakers after costing Ariza an opportunity to return to the Lakers when his own player, Andrew Bynum had to step in, talk to management, work out a number himself and tell his agent to do his job. Lee pulled the same crap with Bynum. Do some research on it all, both accounts. Lee is a jackass.

          12. lee was not keeping arzia out of the lope he leagally has to tell his client every tem that calls and every offer that is made.
            that is the law.

          13. learn the laws your research is flawed if you honestly believe he did.
            look t djs agent he got hit hard because he tried to push dj to the mavs by binding the truth.
            it is illegal for an agent to lie to their player about offers or the teams that are calling them

          14. Ariza eventually signed for the same, if not less, than the Lakers were offering. His agent screwed both him and the Lakers.

          15. arzia signed for the same that we offered him but he wanted 5 years 40m from us we offered 5 years 35m his agent wanted 5 years 45m
            the lakers were cheep if we would have said ok 5 years 40m arzia would have taken it

          16. Well their payroll was huge at that time, and I believe Odom still wasn’t signed yet

          17. we signed odom first. the lakers wante to save money because they were going to offer ron the mid lvl even if we got arzia back.
            but we went all in in 2012 and had a 100m cap. so we should have brought arzia back and been a 90m roster

          18. we were getting ron regardless we were still in talks with arzia then ron went on espn to talk about being a new laker

          19. yeah he was assistant GM. Later became VP of Bball Ops in 2005 when he hired Rudy T

          20. Jerry West was in charge until 2000. Jim slowly made his up the rankings. But yeah, he was in on all basketball decisions with his dad and Mitch/West

          21. no its not trolling your just not admiting he made some stupid moves.
            hes made good moves too but a lot more bad moves over the last 5 years

          22. Oh he’s made some dumb moves, I’m not taking that away, but I’m just not on the bandwagon either that he’s only made dumb moves and all the great moves have been because of Kupchak and whoever else. Mike D’Antoni was a stupid move, Mike Brown was a stupid move, letting so many picks go for Nash wasn’t the smartest either. But drafting Bynum which turned into 2 rings (if not for him, Perk would have killed Gasol again in the Finals against Boston, also Bynum coming down on the back of Perk took him out of the series in Game 6), trading Bynum after his knees were gone for Howard was genius (though I’m not a Howard fan) and had the Paul trade worked out, having had Paul and Howard together I’ve no doubt would have been big for the Lakers. I’ve fully understood and been patient with the cap clearing and the shrewd 1 year rental moves since, I’ve fully understood many of the other moves that have gone on. The only move recently I’m upset about is the Upshaw cutting. That was a bad move. Overall though, big picture though, he hasn’t been this terribly awful guy either. I’m on the fence with Scott because this is Scott’s first team. No, last year didn’t count because Scott had no input on that team. Jeremy Lin? Carlos Boozer? A bunch of D-Leaguers? Back to back years of record number of games missed for injuries? I want to see how this team does and grows under Scott.

          23. I never said he did not make great moves because he has but his stupid moves are killing us because his smart moves failed

        2. ways he hurt us.
          in order from when he stated making stupid moves.
          1.leting ariza go when he should hav trade Walton kept arzia and signed ron. his ego and beening cheep hurt us.
          2.leting farmar go for blake. we needed farmar as a change of pace guard to make us less predictable. instead we get fisher 2.0 in blake.
          3. not trading Bynum blake and Walton for melo and bllups in 2011
          4.tarding odom/not getting value for him after failed cp3 deal
          5.tradig fisher for hill should have traded blake.
          6.letting sesh walk afer giving up a first rounder for him
          7. the trade for nash with at lone expensive deal
          8. the fireing of mike brown
          9. the hire of mike dan
          10.not trading howard when he had the chance and it was clear he was gone.
          11.atm subject to change the russ over okafor pick this season

          1. 1. Ariza’s agent screwed up.
            2. Farmar didn’t want to play in the triangle
            3. Bynum was traded for Dwight
            4. Odom demanded trade.
            5. Hill was a much better player than Fisher when traded
            6. Sessions left because he wanted to be a starter
            7. Nash trade made them title favorites
            8. Mike Brown’s voice wasn’t being heard among the players
            9. D’Antoni is a good coach. Phil didn’t want the job.
            10. Lakers wanted to make a run in the playoffs, but Kobe got hurt.
            11. Okafor has looked terrible in preseason as well

          2. 1. agreed but jimm was being cheep we offered 5 years 35m he wanted 5 years 40-45m we could have got the deal done.
            2. farmar wanted a bigger role the lakers got black before even talking to farmar.
            3. im talking in 2011 before Bynum was traded for howard.
            4. so has morris on the suns and look at him now.you sit on odom or get his value you don’t trade him for nothing like we did.
            5. hill was better but fisher was better then blake
            6. no he left because he was being treated like farmar did.the lakers went after nash and let sesh just sit and wait.
            7. agreed he did and im not against the trade but three years was stupid contrct
            8. disagree it was 5 games in and we were injured the lakers id brown dirty
            9. mike was not a good coach for that team he did not fit the personal
            10. I ment after the season when we could have snt’ed howard to the gsw for lee, barnes and a pick.
            11. which is why I said subject to change.

          3. the drafting of russ was made by jimm even he admitted it.
            mitch would have taken okafor

          4. lol where are you getting this? Kupchak said Okafor wasn’t good enough as Shaq, Kareem, Wilt, Mikan. If so, he would have drafted Okafor

          5. jim said it was his call to draft russ.
            if jimm made that call that tells me mitch was thinking okafor or muiliday both have looked better then russ so far.

          6. You make no sense. Lakers came to a census and picked Russell. They were blown away in the 3 on 3 scrimmages

          7. there was no census or jim would have said it was a group move he made it clear he picked russel

          8. Well duh. he has final say on all basketball decisions, doesn’t mean he actually was the only one out of front office to prefer Russell. Stop being ignorant bro

          9. really really is that why up to the draft there were mixed signals out of la????
            there was no census jim pulled rank a lot of people in the fo wanted okafor

          10. pairing okafor with randle would have been terrible on defense. Many experts say Russell was the right pick, and Lakers needed a pg. Finally got one

          11. 1. we don’t know if randle and okafor would have worked.
            2. agreed we needed a pg and agreed the scouts love russel. but the scouts also loved oden, basely, tabeet, brown, Morrison…… I could go on

          12. I like russ and I hope he proves me wrong but atm my fears about him coming into th drat are looking to be correct

          13. ok and? does not change that fact that if this pick fails its on jimms head. if it works he made the right call if it fails its on him you cant get the good nd not take the bad

  • Its funny that Joseph Lawson and Daryl Peek think they know so much about the inner workings of the Lakers yet everything they say is wrong. All it takes is a quick google search to fact check and realize they are both Jim Buss fan boys perpetuating lies.

    1. they both make great points but neither wants to admit jim has hurt us more then helped over the last 5 seasons

        1. what myths ar they repeating. outside of the last 5 seasons jim did a great job running the team.
          its been over the last 5 seasons were hes made stupid mistakes

          1. buss has ma good calls too its not all been bad people need to stop dealing in absoluts

          2. Agree with that but the folks on the opposite sides refuse to see this. Daryl and Joseph believe Jim does absolutely nothing wrong despite this team missing the playoffs for two straight seasons. It doesn’t even make sense to say he made brilliant decisions while that fact exists.

          3. se that i can agree with jimm (more so over the last 5 years) has made some stupid moves/ let his ego get in the way of bringing back players.

      1. How exactly has he hurt us? He took chances that failed but then turned out to be good in the end. That pick we gave up to the Suns for the Nash deal hasn’t hurt us yet. You trade Bynum for Dwight…that really didn’t hurt us either. We got a nice young core with Randle, Russell, and Clarkson. We got cap space next year with Kobe contract coming off the books. Took chances that didn’t work out but still put us in position to benefit from them.

        1. They’re trolls Dubz. Either that or their scope is too narrow to see the long term picture. They either want to Buss hate or just stir up crap here on the boards by simply creating an argument. A google search would actually validate many of the things I’ve said.

          1. I got everything u said. Ariza played his hand and ended up signing for the same amount Lakers offered. And Artest came cheaper…we still won with Artest over Ariza. Once we failed with resigning Dwight…Buss mindset instantly went to cap saving mode. We didn’t sign long term deals and started to plan for the draft. I can’t be mad at him.

          2. No, I’m ok with the Buss family not taking crap from David Lee (Ariza and Bynum’s agent) and turning away. Read up on David Lee, the guy is a moron. He wanted $50 mil for Ariza and he wanted max money for Bynum. Bynum had to step in on his agent and told him to accept the deal. Ariza was kept out of the loop.

          3. he wanted 5 years 40-45ish mill that’s close to the amount he got paid in hou at 5 years 38m.
            we should have paid him

          4. Ariza signed for the mid-level exception. Same deal as Ron Artest. But the Lakers won a ring in 2010, so it worked

          5. Ariza wanted 5 years 35-40 mil, his free agent was trying to milk it higher and was railroading the Lakers FO in the media. It’s not what Ariza wanted, it’s what his agent tried to pull.

          6. I believe it was a 4year 32mill contract that he signed with Houston…we offered that same contract.

          7. you pay to keep your players we were coming off of a title you don’t let a major pice of the puzzle walk like that.

          8. And yet we got another title with Metta. You don’t understand David Lee and his b.s. Guy thinks he Arn Tellem when he ain’t crap. Tried to be the Scott Boras from MLB of the NBA when he ain’t crap.

          9. you don’t understand the agent means nothing if the lakers would have given arzia wat he wanted

          10. he took the rockets money as a last resort/ the lakers offered 5 year 35m he wanted 5 years 40m
            the lakers let him walk over 5m over 5 years they were being cheep because they planed on getting ron regardless

          11. You still don’t get how David Lee works. He was double talking Ariza and the Lakers. Ariza was unaware about half of what was going on in the talks with the Lakers. Only his agent kept him in the loop. Ariza’s agent was trying to power play the Lakers, got other teams involved and again, railroaded and disrespected them. The Lakers didn’t like David Lee either because of his b.s. antics. The cut cord and went to Artest who’s physical play made a big difference against the Celtics anyway. I followed that whole ordeal when it went on. I was upset that Ariza was gone and happy that Artest was on board and pissed off the entire time at David Lee. In the end, the Lakers won a ring with Artest and I’m fine with it.

            But it’s a testament to when Lee is trying to posture a second time with the Lakers after costing Ariza an opportunity to return to the Lakers when his own player, Andrew Bynum had to step in, talk to management, work out a number himself and tell his agent to do his job. Lee pulled the same crap with Bynum. Do some research on it all, both accounts. Lee is a jackass.

          12. lee was not keeping arzia out of the lope he leagally has to tell his client every tem that calls and every offer that is made.
            that is the law.

          13. learn the laws your research is flawed if you honestly believe he did.
            look t djs agent he got hit hard because he tried to push dj to the mavs by binding the truth.
            it is illegal for an agent to lie to their player about offers or the teams that are calling them

          14. Ariza eventually signed for the same, if not less, than the Lakers were offering. His agent screwed both him and the Lakers.

          15. arzia signed for the same that we offered him but he wanted 5 years 40m from us we offered 5 years 35m his agent wanted 5 years 45m
            the lakers were cheep if we would have said ok 5 years 40m arzia would have taken it

          16. Well their payroll was huge at that time, and I believe Odom still wasn’t signed yet

          17. we signed odom first. the lakers wante to save money because they were going to offer ron the mid lvl even if we got arzia back.
            but we went all in in 2012 and had a 100m cap. so we should have brought arzia back and been a 90m roster

          18. we were getting ron regardless we were still in talks with arzia then ron went on espn to talk about being a new laker

          19. yeah he was assistant GM. Later became VP of Bball Ops in 2005 when he hired Rudy T

          20. Jerry West was in charge until 2000. Jim slowly made his up the rankings. But yeah, he was in on all basketball decisions with his dad and Mitch/West

          21. no its not trolling your just not admiting he made some stupid moves.
            hes made good moves too but a lot more bad moves over the last 5 years

          22. Oh he’s made some dumb moves, I’m not taking that away, but I’m just not on the bandwagon either that he’s only made dumb moves and all the great moves have been because of Kupchak and whoever else. Mike D’Antoni was a stupid move, Mike Brown was a stupid move, letting so many picks go for Nash wasn’t the smartest either. But drafting Bynum which turned into 2 rings (if not for him, Perk would have killed Gasol again in the Finals against Boston, also Bynum coming down on the back of Perk took him out of the series in Game 6), trading Bynum after his knees were gone for Howard was genius (though I’m not a Howard fan) and had the Paul trade worked out, having had Paul and Howard together I’ve no doubt would have been big for the Lakers. I’ve fully understood and been patient with the cap clearing and the shrewd 1 year rental moves since, I’ve fully understood many of the other moves that have gone on. The only move recently I’m upset about is the Upshaw cutting. That was a bad move. Overall though, big picture though, he hasn’t been this terribly awful guy either. I’m on the fence with Scott because this is Scott’s first team. No, last year didn’t count because Scott had no input on that team. Jeremy Lin? Carlos Boozer? A bunch of D-Leaguers? Back to back years of record number of games missed for injuries? I want to see how this team does and grows under Scott.

          23. I never said he did not make great moves because he has but his stupid moves are killing us because his smart moves failed

        2. ways he hurt us.
          in order from when he stated making stupid moves.
          1.leting ariza go when he should hav trade Walton kept arzia and signed ron. his ego and beening cheep hurt us.
          2.leting farmar go for blake. we needed farmar as a change of pace guard to make us less predictable. instead we get fisher 2.0 in blake.
          3. not trading Bynum blake and Walton for melo and bllups in 2011
          4.tarding odom/not getting value for him after failed cp3 deal
          5.tradig fisher for hill should have traded blake.
          6.letting sesh walk afer giving up a first rounder for him
          7. the trade for nash with at lone expensive deal
          8. the fireing of mike brown
          9. the hire of mike dan
          10.not trading howard when he had the chance and it was clear he was gone.
          11.atm subject to change the russ over okafor pick this season

          1. 1. Ariza’s agent screwed up.
            2. Farmar didn’t want to play in the triangle
            3. Bynum was traded for Dwight
            4. Odom demanded trade.
            5. Hill was a much better player than Fisher when traded
            6. Sessions left because he wanted to be a starter
            7. Nash trade made them title favorites
            8. Mike Brown’s voice wasn’t being heard among the players
            9. D’Antoni is a good coach. Phil didn’t want the job.
            10. Lakers wanted to make a run in the playoffs, but Kobe got hurt.
            11. Okafor has looked terrible in preseason as well

          2. 1. agreed but jimm was being cheep we offered 5 years 35m he wanted 5 years 40-45m we could have got the deal done.
            2. farmar wanted a bigger role the lakers got black before even talking to farmar.
            3. im talking in 2011 before Bynum was traded for howard.
            4. so has morris on the suns and look at him now.you sit on odom or get his value you don’t trade him for nothing like we did.
            5. hill was better but fisher was better then blake
            6. no he left because he was being treated like farmar did.the lakers went after nash and let sesh just sit and wait.
            7. agreed he did and im not against the trade but three years was stupid contrct
            8. disagree it was 5 games in and we were injured the lakers id brown dirty
            9. mike was not a good coach for that team he did not fit the personal
            10. I ment after the season when we could have snt’ed howard to the gsw for lee, barnes and a pick.
            11. which is why I said subject to change.

          3. the drafting of russ was made by jimm even he admitted it.
            mitch would have taken okafor

          4. lol where are you getting this? Kupchak said Okafor wasn’t good enough as Shaq, Kareem, Wilt, Mikan. If so, he would have drafted Okafor

          5. jim said it was his call to draft russ.
            if jimm made that call that tells me mitch was thinking okafor or muiliday both have looked better then russ so far.

          6. You make no sense. Lakers came to a census and picked Russell. They were blown away in the 3 on 3 scrimmages

          7. there was no census or jim would have said it was a group move he made it clear he picked russel

          8. Well duh. he has final say on all basketball decisions, doesn’t mean he actually was the only one out of front office to prefer Russell. Stop being ignorant bro

          9. really really is that why up to the draft there were mixed signals out of la????
            there was no census jim pulled rank a lot of people in the fo wanted okafor

          10. pairing okafor with randle would have been terrible on defense. Many experts say Russell was the right pick, and Lakers needed a pg. Finally got one

          11. 1. we don’t know if randle and okafor would have worked.
            2. agreed we needed a pg and agreed the scouts love russel. but the scouts also loved oden, basely, tabeet, brown, Morrison…… I could go on

          12. I like russ and I hope he proves me wrong but atm my fears about him coming into th drat are looking to be correct

          13. ok and? does not change that fact that if this pick fails its on jimms head. if it works he made the right call if it fails its on him you cant get the good nd not take the bad

  • That trade should have never been vetoed. It was legal. It was fair. Stern hated the Lakers and it clearly was demonstrated. Since, other team didn’t want to see the Lakers stay on top “No one” said anything. Not even the Lakers executives. I smeel fish.

    1. Dan Gilbert and Mark Cuban started complaining and talked Stern into the veto. Gilbert had just lost LeBron and was bitter about that. Cuban wanted CP3 and Dwight for himself, so he also complained. The thing that no one brought up was that the league owned the Hornets (now Pelicans) at the time, and the owners having say over a trade that big was a conflict of interest and competitively unfair. Jim and Mitch should’ve took the league to court instead of quitting on the deal and allowing the Clippers to side in and steal CP3.

      In any case, it’s time to move on. Besides, the Nash and Howard trades did more to destroy the franchise than the failed CP3 trade.

      1. 1) Phil Jackson mentioned the confusion that was inherent in the situation where the league owned the team with respect to making trades (and was fined for the audacity of it).

        2) Will Demps, the GM, was explicitly told by Stern that he had the full authority to make trades. Until he did. Then they vetoed it.

        1. 1) Telling the media and taking legal action are two different things. The fact still remains that owners openly complained about the trade. The same owners that are actively competing against the Lakers. Them having a say over the trade is a conflict of interest. The Lakers could’ve won that battle if they decided to pursue it.
          2) And who influenced Stern to flip flop? Gilbert, Cuban, and possibly other small market owners who were smart enough to remain publicly silent on the issue. Stern answers to the Owners and does their bidding.

      2. That is what I’ve always thought remember all of this happened around 2011 before the new CBA which IF the Lakers challenged Stern, the Lakers would have the Players Union attention and gotten the support from many players to play for the Lakers.

  • Paul resigned with the Clippers because he saw the light. He would have bounced from the Lakers in a split second if he was to try to win with Kobe and Bynum?
    Can we all step back and see this

    1. The Lakers traded Bynum for Howard. Would have been Kobe, Howard and Paul. The ball in Paul’s hands would have reduced the load on Kobe to perform, especially having another clutch scorer around and Paul could have put Howard into better position to have a much more solid year with the Lakers, making him happy enough to stick around. Kobe had the respect for Paul that he would have let Paul be the ball handler while he did what he’s planning to do this season. That would have significantly reduced the wear and tear on Kobe, probably wouldn’t have had that achilles tear because of it. Might be looking at a title or 2 right now.

  • That trade should have never been vetoed. It was legal. It was fair. Stern hated the Lakers and it clearly was demonstrated. Since, other team didn’t want to see the Lakers stay on top “No one” said anything. Not even the Lakers executives. I smeel fish.

    1. Dan Gilbert and Mark Cuban started complaining and talked Stern into the veto. Gilbert had just lost LeBron and was bitter about that. Cuban wanted CP3 and Dwight for himself, so he also complained. The thing that no one brought up was that the league owned the Hornets (now Pelicans) at the time, and the owners having say over a trade that big was a conflict of interest and competitively unfair. Jim and Mitch should’ve took the league to court instead of quitting on the deal and allowing the Clippers to slide in and steal CP3.

      In any case, it’s time to move on. Besides, the Nash and Howard trades did more to destroy the franchise than the failed CP3 trade.

      1. 1) Phil Jackson mentioned the confusion that was inherent in the situation where the league owned the team with respect to making trades (and was fined for the audacity of it).

        2) Will Demps, the GM, was explicitly told by Stern that he had the full authority to make trades. Until he did. Then they vetoed it.

        1. 1) Telling the media and taking legal action are two different things. The fact still remains that owners openly complained about the trade. The same owners that are actively competing against the Lakers. Them having a say over the trade is a conflict of interest. The Lakers could’ve won that battle if they decided to pursue it.
          2) And who influenced Stern to flip flop? Gilbert, Cuban, and possibly other small market owners who were smart enough to remain publicly silent on the issue. Stern answers to the Owners and does their bidding.

      2. That is what I’ve always thought remember all of this happened around 2011 before the new CBA which IF the Lakers challenged Stern, the Lakers would have the Players Union attention and gotten the support from many players to play for the Lakers.

  • Paul resigned with the Clippers because he saw the light. He would have bounced from the Lakers in a split second if he was to try to win with Kobe and Bynum?
    Can we all step back and see this

    1. The Lakers traded Bynum for Howard. Would have been Kobe, Howard and Paul. The ball in Paul’s hands would have reduced the load on Kobe to perform, especially having another clutch scorer around and Paul could have put Howard into better position to have a much more solid year with the Lakers, making him happy enough to stick around. Kobe had the respect for Paul that he would have let Paul be the ball handler while he did what he’s planning to do this season. That would have significantly reduced the wear and tear on Kobe, probably wouldn’t have had that achilles tear because of it. Might be looking at a title or 2 right now.

  • Time to let go of this issue. Harping on the past won’t create a better future. Do your job for once Jim.

  • Time to let go of this issue. Harping on the past won’t create a better future. Do your job for once Jim.

  • No Laker fans will forget that infamous day, and no Laker fans will ever forgive David Stern for doing that. “Basketball Reasons” meaning the rest of the league cannot tolerate Chris Paul going to the Lakers, making them title favorites for years to come, that’s what the thought process behind it, simple as that. Ever since then Lakers organization went downhill from there, never recovered till now. Hopefully Clarkson, Randle, and Russell can become superstars and all stars and carry this team for years to come.

  • No Laker fans will forget that infamous day, and no Laker fans will ever forgive David Stern for doing that. “Basketball Reasons” meaning the rest of the league cannot tolerate Chris Paul going to the Lakers, making them title favorites for years to come, that’s what the thought process behind it, simple as that. Ever since then Lakers organization went downhill from there, never recovered till now. Hopefully Clarkson, Randle, and Russell can become superstars and all stars and carry this team for years to come.

  • It made perfect sense Jim.
    The collective bargaining agreement was designed to “level the playing field” and end the way the Lakers had been doing business and dominating the NBA during the Dr. Buss era.

    The Lakers had beaten the system designed to end their dominance by acquiring CP3. With Kobe, Pau, CP3 and Dwight Howard they would have been poised for another championship or 5.

    David Stern used the only leverage he had in that by some crazy circumstance the Hornets happened to be in ownership limbo and the NBA had temporary control, thus allowing the veto.

    It was wrong, underhanded and set the NBA’s most successful franchise of the modern era reeling for the next few years.

    Jealous punk owners like Mark Cuban, Dan Gilbert and Michael Jordan called Stern to protest and were rewarded with the veto. The Lakers have stunk ever since.

    Congratulations B!t(h&$

    …But we will rise again.

    1. Pau was gone in the CP3 trade. It didn’t make sense. Stern left the GM in charge and even said he wouldn’t interfere. The GM made the deal…then a day later Stern stepped in and didn’t approve it.

        1. Well Stern f*cked the Pelicans owners. This is what they would’ve had in addition to Anthony Davis. Keep in mind Odom was still a viable player at the time:

          F Lamar Odom (from LA Lakers), SG Kevin Martin (from HOU Rockets), PF Luis Scola (from HOU Rockets), PG Goran Dragic (from HOU Rockets)

          1. Oh yeah…What a tangled mess.

            Even avowed Lakers hater Bill Simmons did a video of how much the veto affected the whole league on his site Grantland…Pretty crazy how much that one wave of Stern’s magic wand changed the NBA landscape.

            Sad how so many lay the blame at the feet of Jim.

      1. That’s right, Pau & Lamar…
        Gettin traded sent Lamar into his downward spiral. Lost his sh** ever since.

        …And we didn’t even get CP3 out of it…Hope Stern’s happy with what he’s done to Lamar & the Lakers…The scumbag POS

        Still, D12/CP3/Kobe/MWP & whatever FA’s or trades we would have been legit

  • It made perfect sense Jim.
    The collective bargaining agreement was designed to “level the playing field” and end the way the Lakers had been doing business and dominating the NBA during the Dr. Buss era.

    The Lakers had beaten the system designed to end their dominance by acquiring CP3. With Kobe, Pau, CP3 and Dwight Howard they would have been poised for another championship or 5.

    David Stern used the only leverage he had in that by some crazy circumstance the Hornets happened to be in ownership limbo and the NBA had temporary control, thus allowing the veto.

    It was wrong, underhanded and set the NBA’s most successful franchise of the modern era reeling for the next few years.

    Jealous punk owners like Mark Cuban, Dan Gilbert and Michael Jordan called Stern to protest and were rewarded with the veto. The Lakers have stunk ever since.

    Congratulations B!t(h&$

    …But we will rise again.

    1. Pau was gone in the CP3 trade. It didn’t make sense. Stern left the GM in charge and even said he wouldn’t interfere. The GM made the deal…then a day later Stern stepped in and didn’t approve it.

        1. Well Stern f*cked the Pelicans owners. This is what they would’ve had in addition to Anthony Davis. Keep in mind Odom was still a viable player at the time:

          F Lamar Odom (from LA Lakers), SG Kevin Martin (from HOU Rockets), PF Luis Scola (from HOU Rockets), PG Goran Dragic (from HOU Rockets)

          1. Oh yeah…What a tangled mess.

            Even avowed Lakers hater Bill Simmons did a video of how much the veto affected the whole league on his site Grantland…Pretty crazy how much that one wave of Stern’s magic wand changed the NBA landscape.

            Sad how so many lay the blame at the feet of Jim.

      1. That’s right, Pau & Lamar…
        Gettin traded sent Lamar into his downward spiral. Lost his sh** ever since.

        …And we didn’t even get CP3 out of it…Hope Stern’s happy with what he’s done to Lamar & the Lakers…The scumbag POS

        Still, D12/CP3/Kobe/MWP & whatever FA’s or trades we would have been legit

  • They finally have some talent but not enough for the West, they have a long way to go. They won’t win many games this year either, and the head coach needs to go once they add a few more parts.

    1. Based on growth timelines of other budding stars, it is a 3 to 5 year process before they will be ready to contend.

  • They finally have some talent but not enough for the West, they have a long way to go. They won’t win many games this year either, and the head coach needs to go once they add a few more parts.

    1. Based on growth timelines of other budding stars, it is a 3 to 5 year process before they will be ready to contend.

  • No need to cry over the past….The Lakers are headed back in the right direction….Russell, Clarkson, and Randel (wish they would’ve kept Upshaw around this season tho) is gonna be great in the next few years….I’m truly excited about the direction franchise is going in….#O How I Love That Purple, White & Gold!!!!

  • Yes as a Lakers fan, I too thought that was some complete bullshit but there’s no need in crying over the past when u looking at a bright future….Trust me the Lakers are headed back in the right direction….Russell, Clarkson, and Randel (wish they would’ve kept Upshaw around this season to play with those guys tho) are gonna be great in the next few years….I’m truly excited about the direction the franchise is going in….#Singing “O How I Love That Purple, White & Gold!!!!”

  • It’s clear they did this trade to set the lakers back this is y I don’t blame Jim if just that trade happed kobe would have 6rings or more Dwight would have came to la we never would have missed the playoffss.

    1. CP3 not Dwight. You need player with more hunger, less ego, and better work ethic than Dwight Howard. And someone less divisive. The league knew it was safe to give Kobe D-12 and a washed up slow no defense Nash. They knew Lebron had nothing to worry about.

      Paytc

  • It’s clear they did this trade to set the lakers back this is y I don’t blame Jim if just that trade happed kobe would have 6rings or more Dwight would have came to la we never would have missed the playoffss.

    1. CP3 not Dwight. You need a player with more hunger, less ego, and better work ethic than Dwight Howard. And someone less divisive. The league knew it was safe to give Kobe D-12 and a washed up slow no defense Nash. They knew Lebron had nothing to worry about. In fact I wouldn’t be all that surprised if that was part of the league conspiracy to hold Kobe and the Lakers down. All you can do is base your opinion on what actually has been happening.

      Paytc

  • David Stern probably was Paid off…..He retired not to long after that disqustong act…..Now you have Gilbert trying to Stock pile his team….Cuban got what was coming to him when Jordan changed his mind on their deal…Tu Che’…….The Pelican took a Lesser deal than the Lakers gave them…..This was something never been done in NBA history after a deal was agreed to.

    1. Money explains it all. It explained how the Dallas Mav’s could sweep the best team in basketball while the best teams best player(s) all sat on the bench helplessly watching as Dirk Nowitzki and Dallas starters ran the score up while the Lakers stars were forced to sit on the bench watching.

      All you need to say is Dan Gilbert, Mark Cuban, and David Stern. That is enough foul play to not only deserve a technical. Those three together deserve to be ejected out of the game and suspended indefinitely IMO.

      Go Lakers !

      Paytc

    2. Had the deal happened Pelicans would have never gotten Anthony Davis, but unless the lottery was fixed there is no way they could have known that. It still doesn’t make sense even though it did work out for NO

  • David Stern probably was Paid off…..He retired not to long after that disqustong act…..Now you have Gilbert trying to Stock pile his team….Cuban got what was coming to him when Jordan changed his mind on their deal…Tu Che’…….The Pelican took a Lesser deal than the Lakers gave them…..This was something never been done in NBA history after a deal was agreed to.

    1. Money explains it all. It explained how the Dallas Mav’s could sweep the best team in basketball while the best team’s best player(s) all sat on the bench helplessly watching as Dirk Nowitzki and Dallas starters ran the score up while the Lakers stars were forced to sit on the bench watching. And then the coach responsible for the Lakers sweep just walks away from the team afterwards?

      All you need to say is Dan Gilbert, Mark Cuban, and David Stern. That is enough foul play to not only deserve a technical. Those three together deserve to be ejected out of the game and suspended indefinitely IMO.

      Go Lakers !

      Paytc

    2. Had the deal happened Pelicans would have never gotten Anthony Davis, but unless the lottery was fixed there is no way they could have known that. It still doesn’t make sense even though it did work out for NO

  • right now all eyes are on Kevin Durant to be the Lakers saviour. Then there is still the Cousins potential trade, but Lakers don’t seem to want to move Randle

  • right now all eyes are on Kevin Durant to be the Lakers saviour. Then there is still the Cousins potential trade, but Lakers don’t seem to want to move Randle

  • What I don’t get is why didn’t they nix the deal with Lebron and Bosh going to play with Wade.

  • What I don’t get is why didn’t they nix the deal with Lebron and Bosh going to play with Wade.

  • Odom news: recovering well though the findings is he got overdosed on cocaine while at the brothel and spending 75,000 on 2 hookers , speedy recovery . though wtf?!!!!

  • Odom news: recovering well though the findings is he got overdosed on cocaine while at the brothel and spending 75,000 on 2 hookers , speedy recovery . though wtf?!!!!

    1. How many rings have the Lakers had and how many lottery picks have the clippers had?

    1. How many rings have the Lakers had and how many lottery picks have the clippers had?

  • Kobe would have at least had two rings and Bynum would still be healthy(maybe). A laker fan can only dream if we got CP3

  • Kobe would have at least had two rings and Bynum would still be healthy(maybe). A laker fan can only dream if we got CP3

  • yes i get it Jim. My question is why we pick russell. SMH hes a bust. I just dont see him being a superstar not even a star not even a good player. Hes a bust!