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Point Guard Predicament: Farmar vs Brown

Written by on 10/06/2009 in Editorials - 28 Comments

As the autumn finally gets underway, the hearts and minds of Laker Nation stir toward the upcoming season.  For the first half of the summer, we bit our nails as we watched Trevor Ariza essentially traded for Ron Artest, and then again as Lamar Odom squared off against Dr. Jerry Buss and Mitch Kupchak during contract negotiations.  As soon as the contract was nailed, though, Laker Nation seemed to go into hibernation, other than Pau Gasol’s vindication as he led Team España to victory in the Euroleague.

With the regular season just around the corner, some questions loom.  How will Artest mesh with a team whose roster is essentially unchanged (other than the Ariza-for-Artest trade, the only difference has been the Lakers passing on China-born guard Sun Yue)?  Will Gasol have enough time to rest?  Will the team still have the same hunger that pushed them all last season?

And, of course, there is this:  who will be first off the bench for Derek Fisher in the point guard position?  Fisher, who just turned 35, is out of his prime and declining, although as Luis Scola found out, Fish is still a force to contend with.  Jameer Nelson, too, will remember how effective Fish can be in clutch situations.  Still, as Fish coasts to the finish line of his career as an active NBA  player, the Lakers need to groom someone to take over.

At the moment, the two Laker backup point guards are Jordan Farmar and Shannon Brown.  Farmar, who joined the Lakers out of UCLA back in 2006, showed in his first year that he had an athleticism that made local Bruins very proud indeed.  Few will forget his fleet-footed runs along the baseline to drop in layups before defenders could finish turning their heads to figure out where to block.  Brown, who was acquired from the Charlotte Bobcats along with Adam Morrison in exchange for Vladimir Radmanovic in February, is a much more recent addition to the team.  Nevertheless, in his short time with the team, he has generated a buzz similar to when Trevor Ariza first joined the Lakers.

So, between Jordan Farmar and Shannon Brown, who will get the nod to come off the bench first for the veteran Fisher?  Let’s begin with 83010325SD012_CHICAGO_BULLSthe numbers.  The 2008-09 season was not a particularly good one for Farmar, who, despite playing about the same number  of minutes as his career average, saw many of his numbers worsen:  his field goal, three-pointer, and free-throw percentages all dropped.  His personal fouls have also increased slightly, possibly due to frustration.  For his part, Brown saw his numbers improve, again playing a consistent number of minutes.  His field goal, three-pointer, and free-throw percentages all improved.  And, as if presenting the mirror image to Farmar, Brown’s personal fouls have decreased along with the improvement in his other numbers.

Putting the season numbers for the two young men side by side, a pattern seems to emerge:  although many of their numbers for the season are similar, Brown seems to have an offensive edge over Farmar, other than assists, while Farmar is doing better on defensive rebounds.  Part of this may be explained through size differences:  Farmar, at 6’2”, 180 lbs., is 2 inches shorter and 31 lbs. heavier than Brown.  To the degree this makes him a scrappier, more agile player, it may explain the difference in defensive rebounds.  And, to be fair to Farmar, Brown plays fewer minutes, and is probably less scouted, and thus may be subject to less pressure than the Bruin.

But there is one thing that keeps nagging:  fans have noticed that Farmar simply has not been that consistent this past season. In my gut, I definitely have this feeling that Farmar has become less consistent. The numbers certainly show major slips across the board. So how do we figure out his consistency?  One way to measure consistency is not just to look for averages, but also to look for the standard deviation of a set of data.  For example, a player who averages 2 rebounds a game over 3 games could have had exactly 2 rebounds in each of those 3 games (let’s call this player “A”), or 3 points in one game, 1 in another, and 2 in the third (let’s call this player “B”), or even 6 rebounds in one game, but none in the other two games (let’s call this player “C”).  “A” has a standard deviation of 0, i.e., he rebound off the average.  “C” has a standard deviation of almost 3.5.

Of course, different base averages will yield different standard deviations.  If player “X” averages 2 rebounds a game, and player “Y” averages 3 rebounds a game, they have different base averages to work from.  Since the standard deviation can never be lower than 0, obviously, if “X” had a standard deviation of 0, and “Y” had any other standard deviation, “X” is more consistent.  But what if “X” had a standard deviation of 1, and “Y” also had the same standard deviation?  If they both played three games, the standard deviation that is Orange County News - March 06, 2009most probable for “X” is 3, 2, and 1 rebounds, and for “Y”, 4, 3, and 2 rebounds, in each of the three games.  In this scenario, I calculate something I call a “consistency margin”:  I take the standard deviation and divide it by the average, thus figuring out how large the standard deviation is in relation to the base average.  The more consistent a person is, the smaller his consistency margin will be.  Here, “X” has a consistency margin of 50%, while “Y” has a consistency margin of 33%.  This makes sense.  It is more impressive that “Y” is consistently only 1 rebound off a higher average rebound (3 per game), than it is for “X” to be consistently 1 rebound off a lower average of 2 rebounds per game.

What if two players have the same average, but have played a different number of games?  Let’s say “M” averages 3 rebounds a game over 3 games, “N” averages 3 rebounds a game over four games, with games consisting of 4, 4, 3, and 1 rebounds, and “O” averages 3 rebounds a game over four games, with games consisting of 4, 3, 3, and 2 rebounds. In such a scenario, “M” has a standard deviation of 1, “N” has a standard deviation of over 1.41, and “O” has a standard deviation of less than 0.82.  Because the number of data points (games) is built into the average and the standard deviation calculations, it is also built into the consistency margin.  The respective consistency margins here would be 33% for “M”, 47% for “N”, and 27% for “O”.

So, where am I going with all this?  I am going to compare the consistency margins between our two bench point guards.  Taking data points for the entire playoffs, where Farmar played 20 games and Brown played 21, I’ve compared their consistency margins.  Farmar has the lead in defensive rebounds (103% vs. 139%), steals (134% vs. 157%), blocks (244% vs. 316%), turnovers (113% vs. 143%) and assists (120% vs. 140%).  Brown has the lead in offensive rebounds (155% vs. 220%), personal fouls (86% vs. 119%), points per game (83% vs. 96%), and points per minute (61% vs. 81%).  Of course, these need to be placed in context.  Farmar’s lead in turnover consistency is for a higher average number of turnovers (0.9 vs. 05), and Brown’s lead in personal foul consistency is for a higher average number of personal fouls (1.3 vs. 0.8).  Nonetheless, from an offensive perspective, Brown’s consistency in point production is good, since he averaged 4.9 PPG and 0.373 PPM in the playoffs, vs. Farmar at 4.7 PPG and 0.359 PPM.

Speaking of point production, you will notice I have not yet addressed field goals, three-pointers, and free throws.  That is because for those there is another twist.  The numbers can be interpreted both through all games played, and through all games in which they are shannon-brownattempted.  In Farmar’s case, the field goal numbers are the same in both views, because he attempted at least one field goal in all games played.  Meanwhile, Brown did not attempt field goals in 3 of the 21 games he played.  Based on the numbers from ESPN.com, we see:  Farmar averaged 1.7 FGM on 4.35 FGA (39.1%), 0.60 3PM on 1.95 3PA (30.8%), and 0.7 FTM on 0.95 FTA (73.7%), in all games played; Brown averaged 1.7 FGM on 4.0 FGA (43.4%), 0.60 3PM on 1.2 3PA (48.0%), and 0.9FTM on 1.1 FTA (79.2%), in all games played.  This comes out to standard deviations in completions of:  28.6% in FGs (73% consistency margin), 33.2% in 3PTs (107.8% consistency margin), and 37.1% in FTs (50.4% consistency margin) for Farmar; and 29.2% in FGs (67.3% consistency margin), 38.5% in 3PTs (80.3% consistency margin), and 43.1% in FTs (54.4% consistency margin) for Brown.  Thus, through all games, in most measures of point production, although the average numbers seem pretty equal, with Brown having a lead in FTM per game, Brown is far more consistent, with a virtual tie, surprisingly, in free throw completion consistency (Farmar has a better margin at 50% vs. Brown’s 54%).

The real interesting data patterns emerge when you look at data points only from games when these young men have made attempts.  As noted, that makes no difference for Farmar when it comes to field goals, but there are games where he did not attempt three-pointers or free throws.  Brown, for his part, has been a place holder for much of the series against Orlando, so his numbers would be adjusted across the board.

Adjusting for the data to reflect, for each category, only the games where attempts were made, we come up with the following averages:  1.7 FGM on 4.35 FGA (39.1%), 0.67 3PM on 2.17 3PA (25.0%), and 2.33 FTM on 3.17 FTA (68.1%) for Farmar; and 1.89 FGM on 4.37 FGA (37.8%), 0.92 3PM on 1.92 3PA (43.6%), and 2.11FTM on 2.67 FTA (78.9%) for Brown.  This represents drops across the board in jordan_farmar_dribbles_against_miamcompletion rate because of the different base averages in attempts and completions.  This comes out to standard deviations in completions of:  28.6% in FGs (73% consistency margin), 34.1% in 3PTs (136% consistency margin), and 36.7% in FTs (53.9% consistency margin) for Farmar; and 27.6% in FGs (72.9% consistency margin), 41.1% in 3PTs (94.4% consistency margin), and in 25.2% FTs (32.0% consistency margin) for Brown. With this adjustment, Brown’s field goal consistency approaches Farmar’s, but is technically better; both three-point consistencies decrease, but Farmar’s does so by a wider margin (an extra almost 30% as opposed to Brown’s extra 14%); and while Farmar’s free-throw consistency goes down a little (the margin increases by an extra 3%), Brown’s goes way up, the margin dropping from 54.4% to a tiny 32.0%.  If you want to be consistent at anything, as we have seen throughout two consecutive Finals series, it’s in free throws.  (Remember how the Celtics killed us in free throw shooting in Game 4, and how the Magic missed a chance to put themselves ahead in Game 2.)

This is not to say, of course, that there’s no place for Farmar.  We’ve seen what he can do, and hopefully the old (or young, depending on how you look at it) Farmar will return.  For now, however, his numbers are in decline, and his consistency in the playoffs lagged Brown.   Until he can prove himself, Jordan Farmar should yield the first bench to Shannon Brown.

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  • http://www.twitter.com/nakiannu Nakiannu

    Welcome, Bruce! LOVE the number crunching! I sure hope the Lakers’ coaching staff has someone either doing this for them behind the scenes, or reading Lakers Nation! Good work.

  • SoCalRaider430

    Competition is great! It’s going to be a battle……excited about the new season. GO LAKERS!!!!

  • http://www.twitter.com/nakiannu Nakiannu

    Welcome, Bruce! LOVE the number crunching! I sure hope the Lakers’ coaching staff has someone either doing this for them behind the scenes, or reading Lakers Nation! Good work.

  • SoCalRaider430

    Competition is great! It’s going to be a battle……excited about the new season. GO LAKERS!!!!

  • Jade Marcos

    each hav their strengths… i say, put farmar in when we face smaller, quicker guards like aaron brooks & put brown in when facin bigger, stronger guards like deron williams. its hard 2 say witout seein who developed more ova the summer. mainly im jus givin farmar the benefit of the doubt cuz i do hav my heart on my sleeve 4 the cocky guy, but brown definitely made more than jus a statement last half of the season.

  • Jade Marcos

    each hav their strengths… i say, put farmar in when we face smaller, quicker guards like aaron brooks & put brown in when facin bigger, stronger guards like deron williams. its hard 2 say witout seein who developed more ova the summer. mainly im jus givin farmar the benefit of the doubt cuz i do hav my heart on my sleeve 4 the cocky guy, but brown definitely made more than jus a statement last half of the season.

  • Charles

    With all this number crunching we are forgeting the sophmore jinx. Yes Farmars numbers are down in his second year, but that happens to alot of players, who then rebound and become very good players for the remainder of their careers. Farmar surprised alot of teams his first year as they were not ready for him / had not scouted his favorite moves and weaknesses. The same can be said for Brown last year. The real test will be how each responds and grows as a player, how each adjusts to the adjustments that are made by the opposing teams. I would not be surprised to see Farmar and Brown actually be compeating for the starting job, and watch Fish slide more into the role of player/coach that we saw from Brian Shaw his final season. Phil might use Fish at those critical points in the game when he felt the game slipping away and needed a veteran hand to calm things down and run the offense.

  • Charles

    With all this number crunching we are forgeting the sophmore jinx. Yes Farmars numbers are down in his second year, but that happens to alot of players, who then rebound and become very good players for the remainder of their careers. Farmar surprised alot of teams his first year as they were not ready for him / had not scouted his favorite moves and weaknesses. The same can be said for Brown last year. The real test will be how each responds and grows as a player, how each adjusts to the adjustments that are made by the opposing teams. I would not be surprised to see Farmar and Brown actually be compeating for the starting job, and watch Fish slide more into the role of player/coach that we saw from Brian Shaw his final season. Phil might use Fish at those critical points in the game when he felt the game slipping away and needed a veteran hand to calm things down and run the offense.

  • Facebook User

    Welcome Bruce.

    Id have to go with Farmer to be the first PG to come off the bench. For me its still his spot to lose. Whilst Shannon has been a revelation I feel that he is perhaps more of a follower than a potential point leader. Brown seems to listen and execute instructions extremely well tho. Whereas, out of the two Farmar is stronger at protecting and pushing the ball.

    For Farmar its sink or swim time. How will he respond?

    I expect Jordon to improve on his overall performances this year across the board. It cant get much worse than last season. If PJ were to give Jordan his vote of confidence I think Farmer will turn out to be stronger mentally for it and also more consistent. That said, whilst its PJ call to play either player first off the bench a large part of this comes down to both individuals character and willingness to improve themselves and trust in their own abilities.

    PS. Both players could do well to improve their defensive efficency as well

  • Facebook User

    Welcome Bruce.

    Id have to go with Farmer to be the first PG to come off the bench. For me its still his spot to lose. Whilst Shannon has been a revelation I feel that he is perhaps more of a follower than a potential point leader. Brown seems to listen and execute instructions extremely well tho. Whereas, out of the two Farmar is stronger at protecting and pushing the ball.

    For Farmar its sink or swim time. How will he respond?

    I expect Jordon to improve on his overall performances this year across the board. It cant get much worse than last season. If PJ were to give Jordan his vote of confidence I think Farmer will turn out to be stronger mentally for it and also more consistent. That said, whilst its PJ call to play either player first off the bench a large part of this comes down to both individuals character and willingness to improve themselves and trust in their own abilities.

    PS. Both players could do well to improve their defensive efficency as well

  • Matt who

    I believe the reason Farmar’s numbers have dropped is because of his cut time due to Shannon Brown. Brown is an amazing player but to be honest with you, pre-A3za 2nd team was amazing. Farmar, Vujacic, Ariza, guiding the backcourt was so dynamic, they always brought momentum back on our side. Sometimes i feel they went on better runs then the starters. But as always, when you lose your minutes, your motivation and confidence will drop. Farmar went from hitting 3s and driving and making quick reverse layups disappeared. Brown is very inconsistent, too energetic, and i feel he can’t lead a team as a point guard. Farmar really looked like he knew what he was doing while he led the 2nd string. So much for making this a statistics class but i have to disagree. Farmar should take the spot and Shannon can be the big energy man with his dunks and extra flash stuff when fish and farmar need their rest.

  • Matt who

    I believe the reason Farmar’s numbers have dropped is because of his cut time due to Shannon Brown. Brown is an amazing player but to be honest with you, pre-A3za 2nd team was amazing. Farmar, Vujacic, Ariza, guiding the backcourt was so dynamic, they always brought momentum back on our side. Sometimes i feel they went on better runs then the starters. But as always, when you lose your minutes, your motivation and confidence will drop. Farmar went from hitting 3s and driving and making quick reverse layups disappeared. Brown is very inconsistent, too energetic, and i feel he can’t lead a team as a point guard. Farmar really looked like he knew what he was doing while he led the 2nd string. So much for making this a statistics class but i have to disagree. Farmar should take the spot and Shannon can be the big energy man with his dunks and extra flash stuff when fish and farmar need their rest.

  • Javy

    Congratulations for your article. I enjoy a lot this website but just one thing: what Spain won was the Eurobasket, which is a tournament between national european teams (as if it was the torunament of the Americas), not the Euroleague, which is the most important european club tournament (as if it was some kind of a european NBA).

    Contenders in Eurobasket: Spain, France, Germany, Lithuania, Russia, Greece, Serbia, etc.

    Contenders in Euroleague: Real Madrid (Spain), Panathinaikos (Greece), Partizan (Serbia), Zalguiris (Lithuania), CSKA Moscow (Russia), etc.

  • Javy

    Congratulations for your article. I enjoy a lot this website but just one thing: what Spain won was the Eurobasket, which is a tournament between national european teams (as if it was the torunament of the Americas), not the Euroleague, which is the most important european club tournament (as if it was some kind of a european NBA).

    Contenders in Eurobasket: Spain, France, Germany, Lithuania, Russia, Greece, Serbia, etc.

    Contenders in Euroleague: Real Madrid (Spain), Panathinaikos (Greece), Partizan (Serbia), Zalguiris (Lithuania), CSKA Moscow (Russia), etc.

  • http://myspace.com/nayokay okaynay

    Wowwwww amazing post.

  • http://myspace.com/nayokay okaynay

    Wowwwww amazing post.

  • http://myspace.com/nayokay okaynay

    So I was able to Watch the game thanks to my dad recording it. Not too sure how farmar is gonna be able to throw it down like Shannon brown, especially seeing last nights game. I’m hoping that all the energy from last nights game will continue throughout the season.

  • http://myspace.com/nayokay okaynay

    So I was able to Watch the game thanks to my dad recording it. Not too sure how farmar is gonna be able to throw it down like Shannon brown, especially seeing last nights game. I’m hoping that all the energy from last nights game will continue throughout the season.

  • Maryrose Dimailig

    after Shannon making SportsCenter cause of his dunk during the 1st preseason game,
    i’d say he’s got the upper hand right now ;)

    season opener tickets please! :)

    @purpleandgold9

  • Maryrose Dimailig

    after Shannon making SportsCenter cause of his dunk during the 1st preseason game,
    i’d say he’s got the upper hand right now ;)

    season opener tickets please! :)

    @purpleandgold9

  • http://www.twitter.com/irmiita Irma.02

    I’d go with Shannon, I think he holds great things!
    ps. Season Opener Tickets Please. lol (:

  • http://www.twitter.com/irmiita Irma.02

    I’d go with Shannon, I think he holds great things!
    ps. Season Opener Tickets Please. lol (:

  • Maryrose Dimailig

    so im getting my hands on a Throw it Down Like Shannon Brown teee!
    won them through a contest, actually!
    and im anticipating its arrival!

    opening night tickets puhleeease! :)

    @purpleandgold9

  • Maryrose Dimailig

    so im getting my hands on a Throw it Down Like Shannon Brown teee!
    won them through a contest, actually!
    and im anticipating its arrival!

    opening night tickets puhleeease! :)

    @purpleandgold9

  • http://www.lakersnation.com JAY JAY

    I have to go with FARMAR every athlete has their up’s and down’s but I think if the LAKERS wanted to get rid of FARMAR I think they would of done it a long time ago. Shannon Brown plays with a lot of energy but I think the one who is going to win the Point Guard position is defintely going to Jordan Farmar. He went to Taft high School UCLA and now with the Lakers its amazing! Hey Farmar just do what you can, do it a day at a time!!! GO LAKERS!!!!!!!(lets go for the 16th)

  • http://www.lakersnation.com JAY JAY

    I have to go with FARMAR every athlete has their up’s and down’s but I think if the LAKERS wanted to get rid of FARMAR I think they would of done it a long time ago. Shannon Brown plays with a lot of energy but I think the one who is going to win the Point Guard position is defintely going to Jordan Farmar. He went to Taft high School UCLA and now with the Lakers its amazing! Hey Farmar just do what you can, do it a day at a time!!! GO LAKERS!!!!!!!(lets go for the 16th)

  • http://www.lakersnation.com JAY JAY

    After reading (Matt who) comment I really agree with him that’s totally the reason Farmar hasnt been himself I think that if they gave him his minutes back I think we will see a new Farmar!!! Save Shannon Brown for later on the game. I really think Brown is kind of a show-off! HE holds the ball on his hands too much and he wouldnt be a great leader!! So give Farmar the minutes and all you haterzzzzz will see a difference!!!!! (love u FARMAR#1)

  • http://www.lakersnation.com JAY JAY

    After reading (Matt who) comment I really agree with him that’s totally the reason Farmar hasnt been himself I think that if they gave him his minutes back I think we will see a new Farmar!!! Save Shannon Brown for later on the game. I really think Brown is kind of a show-off! HE holds the ball on his hands too much and he wouldnt be a great leader!! So give Farmar the minutes and all you haterzzzzz will see a difference!!!!! (love u FARMAR#1)