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Kobe Says Gasol’s ‘Tantrum’ Was ‘As Frustrated As He’s Seen Him’

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Pau Gasol has always been one of the more calm and composed players on the Lakers and even in the entire NBA. However, after Friday night’s loss to the Orlando Magic, Pau was visibly upset and voiced his frustration with the media following the game.

Kobe Bryant chimed in on Gasol’s rant early Sunday morning and had some interesting words to say according to Dave McMenamin of ESPN:

Gasol and Bryant have arguably been the closest teammates in Lakers history as both have continuously defended each other throughout their time together. Bryant has been known to come out and try to motivate Gasol by calling him out to the media, even going as far as telling him to “put his big boy pants on.”

Gasol is facing his first time on a non-playoff caliber team since his years in Memphis. As the losses continue to mount, especially against sub-par talent teams such as the Magic, the Lakers frustration has continued to grow. Gasol has been trying to elevate his game to help lift the Lakers out of their recent struggles as he has been stellar in 13 January games averaging 22.2 points, 12.0 rebounds, 4.3 assists, and 1.6 blocks per game.

With the seven-game Grammy road trip coming to an end after Sunday’s game and the possibility of Bryant and Steve Nash returning soon, Gasol will hopefully have some added help to try to turn things around.
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  • Jim213

    Should’ve brought this up long ago but they’re lottery draft bound.

    • Tristan24

      thats a nice thought about the lottery, but i believe orlando has our number 1 pick this year, so however bad we do, is good for orlando and nothing for us. i could be wrong though.

      • Jim213

        Don’t see them acquiring the first pick but have better odds of landing a 3rd pick which would grab my preferred (OVERALL) choice.

      • Josh

        Lakers keep their picks this year.

  • e3bonz

    Finally, disqus is back up.

    • e3bonz

      And that comment got a vote down?

  • e3bonz

    Missed the whole game…(working a Sunday), hopefully I can see the game on League Pass, but not as of yet.

  • C*HarrisTHEboss

    I really liked what I saw from Manny Harris – a very capable defender – can create his own shot as well as take it strong to the bucket. We gotta cut Kendall Marshmallow and keep this kid.

    • e3bonz

      Why cut KM?

      • Daryl Peek

        If Nash, Blake and Farmar come back there’s no place for KM5. I know everyone is praying Nash retires but if he comes back Marshall is gone.

        • e3bonz

          Do you think Nash will come back close to his former glory?

          • Daryl Peek

            Don’t know and it doesn’t look good at this point but he’s determined to give it another try. Even if he can give us what he did last season it would be ok. He still shot lights out last year.

          • Jim213

            Likely be thrown in a trade package along with Kaman and someone else if STUBBORN Nash returns.

        • MR. UFC CHAMP

          I don’t know what you got to say for yourself but you’re talking as if Kendall Marshall is the cause of the Lakers screwed up season.I am right on this right?????

          You are placing all the damn blame on the kid averaging a double double in points and assists.Check out his stats they compare to the best Point Guards in the NBA.Crappy players can never ever put up those stats.

          He has 19 assists with just 2 turnovers in his last 2 games.And you are crying and whining for the 22 year old Marshall to be cut.No logic from you?????Better yet you are picking a soon to be 40 year old over him?????Come
          hell or high water Kendall Marshall is staying as the starter and the Lakers will trade those other players to save on the luxury tax penalties.Go ahead and refute my words and rebuttal on my comment???????

          But i know i am 100% right on this instance.Vote me down while you are at it.Stupid to cut a player producing like Marshall who is signed up on the cheap for next season.SMH!

          • Daryl Peek

            Why are you taking my comments on Marshall personal? Where did I judge him as the reason for the Lakers failure in what I said?!? All I said was he will not survive the return of the players who he’s filling in for.

            It’s delusional to think he’s staying the Lakers starter once Nash, Blake and Farmar return. He would not even be in the NBA if not for X going down. That’s real talk not my opinion. I like what the kid is doing with his second chance but its not gonna thrust him above the incumbents.

            Clam down and get back to reality. Marshall has potential and may be looked at as a player the Lakers might entertain keeping but I only see that happening if others can’t get back on the court. This will be a much different looking team next season.

            I’m still scratching my head on how you have me disrespecting Marshall?!?

          • somedude

            Right now, KM seems to be a better point guard than those three were in this season. There should be no reason to cut him, but instead, they can cut any one or two of those 3 injured point guards.

          • Daryl Peek

            Right now is the key phrase. There’s no way he stays over a healthy Nash Blake or Farmar. Gotta be realistic. They can’t just cut those other guys because they still have to pay them.

      • C*HarrisTHEboss

        We have 2 very capable and well rounded point guards in Farmar and Steve Blake – and Nash is going to try to give it another go – he is a 2-time MVP and deserves a shot. There is no place for a point guard who cant shoot or play defense.

        • e3bonz

          My worry is it seems Blake and Nash have gotten injured the last two years and the Lakers have found themselves lacking point. If possible I’d keep all four.

          • C*HarrisTHEboss

            I can understand that – but Blake’s injuries have been pretty freak. He hasn’t really been an injury prone player throughout his career – I think our needs are more pressing in the front court.

    • Daspin

      How about the Lakers cut the real problem on the team, Mike D’Antoni.

      • NickOld

        Righto, and PJ will lead us straight back to the Ships, even without Kobe.

      • Josh

        The real problems are old age, freak injuries, and a full roster of guys playing for their next contracts (lots of hero ball and no defensive effort). D’Antoni has nothing to do with it.

  • Guest

    All negativity aside. I really liked what i saw from Manny Harris – a very capable defender – can create his own shot as well as take it strong to the bucket. We should cut Kendall Marshmallow at the end of the year and sign this kid.

    • JRich205

      you know the kid is hungry…. dleague and the lakers call you for a job… hes trying to prove.. sometimes all you need is one shot…. hell MJ wasnt a #1 draft pick and look what he did…………

  • Lakers Fan

    The Lakers defense is awful. I mean god awful. How can the players and Dumtoni look at themselves after such awful performances defensively?? Don’t give me that crap bout it has nothing to do with the coach because it does. Oh well. #LotteryBound #FireDumtoni

    • Josh

      It has nothing to do with D’Antoni. It has to do with borderline NBA talent who has never played together before that can’t defend one-on-one or within a defensive scheme.

      • Lakers Fan

        Dumtoni’s system relies on three-point shooting. When a player misses a three, the other team is off to the races because it will be a long rebound. You would think that since our players are already camped out around the three-point line they would be able to get back in transition. How the hell are they so terrible at transition defense?? It seems impossible, but not with this team. We don’t crash the boards, so they pretty much watch the other team get an easy bucket.

        Have you looked at how many different starting lineups we have had? Even when our players we healthy, we were having a different lineup every other night. Whenever a player has a bad game, he takes them out the lineup. Name one other coach that does this on a consistent basis. I’m pass annoyed with this man’s method of coaching. He still doesn’t play Kaman, but plays Sacre instead. I love Sacre’s energy, but he doesn’t rebound. Kaman does. If I were Kaman, I would request a trade. The sooner we get rid of Dumtoni the better.

        • Josh

          D’Antoni’s system does rely far too much on three-point shooting, but that is the only hope an inferior team has of beating a much better opponent. The Lakers roster has no chance of beating almost any team in the league right now, so shooting threes is the only way they can hope to compete. I hate the style of play because it usually loses, especially in a seven game playoff series. For most of the season I hated that the starting lineup and overall rotation changed so much from night to night, but I think that is a deliberate move to figure out who the team should look at resigning next year. They will not be able to afford to keep Jordan Hill or Chris Kaman next year, and neither is really tradeable since they are both on small expiring contracts and neither pushes a contender to the next level to chase a championship this season. Lakers don’t want to trade anyone anyway, since they would have to take back a longer contract in any deal. So with all that in mind, I think Mitch K and Mike D have intentionally played guys who are not as good to try to develop their games a bit against better talent than they would face in the D-League or sitting on the bench. It’s about the future for the Lakers; they know this season is lost.

  • PauHypocrite

    If Pau showed as much passion and care for the defensive end of the ball, maybe it will rub off on the rest of the team given he’s the supposed “leader”. He’s right that the team isn’t focused and seemingly doesn’t care about Defense, but he’s as big a problem on that end too. Seems like Pau has a penchant for not accepting any blame. He’s playing poorly offensively, he blames the coach, and when the team is playing awful defense, he calls out the rest of the team.

    • e3bonz

      Pau always referred to the poor defense as “we”.

      • Max

        Reportedly, he lit into teammates in the locker room after the loss to Orlando. I’m fine with that. But, did Pau curse out himself too?

        • e3bonz

          It seems that it would take quite a lot to piss off Pau, he’s pretty even tempered. I doubt he singled anyone out.

    • Johnny

      Watching Pau all this time, his idea of “defending” the paint is whenever dribble penetration comes his way, he just raises his hands and actually sidesteps to get out of the payers path (thus giving him a good lane to the hoop). It’s a damn lay up line to the paint every damn game, because players know that when they get by the Marshalls, Meeks, Youngs, and the rest, Pau and the rest of the Laker bigs are not going to make them pay for it.

      • NickOld

        I agree, his matador defense is made worse by his lack of rebounding. Notice one the last few plays of the game where he just stood in the paint, and Chandler jumped right over him to tip the ball out for another procession for the Knicks, and he turn around slapping his head trying to tell whoever will listen that he got fouled. He just pisses me off every time I watch him play.

        • e3bonz

          Pau held Chandler in check most of the night. Several of Chandlers points came when Pau rotated to guard the drive in the middle and poor Kelly had to switch.

          • NickOld

            Huh? Held Chandler in check? Chandlers a career under 10 pt a game player, actually 8.7pt, 7.7 for this season, don’t know why you need to hold him in check, and he have 13 pts tonight. So technically he torched Pau.

          • e3bonz

            I wouldn’t call it a torching, unless he scored a season high tonight. Many of Chandlers points did not come from challenging Pau in the post.

          • NickOld

            I think he just doesn’t try hard enough on help situations. He pretty much just puts his hands up and call it a night, doesn’t even bother to jump. Most NBA caliber players are going to score easily with that type of resistant. And the fact that complains so much, and never accepting the fact that it might be his problem doesn’t help either.

          • e3bonz

            Playing tough defense in the post is tiring, more so than a few minutes rest can recover. I would rather have Pau putting up 20 points or more.

  • Sam Craig

    Did anyone else think the lineup at the end of the game was awful? Kelly on Melo? Also Dantoni’s offense is increasing the number of possessions for the opponent and were just not built to handle it.

    • e3bonz

      Not any one could of guarded Melo, at least not on this current team.

      • Sam Craig

        Yea I get what your saying but you don’t throw your worst option on him regardless. After the layup on Kelly late in the 4th Meeks was switched to guarding him and Melo missed his next two shots.

        • TTKIN

          Honestly I think Kendall Marshall is our worst defender. That dude would have difficulty guarding a parked car. Kelly at least has size. But Marshall’s defense, particularly against Augustin in CHI the other night, it is a sight to see haha.

    • NickOld

      In hindsight, yes that was a bad defensive procession. But on the roster right now, I think Kelly and Wes Johnson have the best chance of doing much at all against Melo and Johnson wasn’t in the game in the last few minutes. And I hope you don’t suggest that we hunker down and try to lock up teams like the championship Piston team with this crew, lol. Truth is this team sucks, we have d-leaguers who are playing major minutes, it’s a miracle we actually are coming close in these road games.

  • Daryl Peek

    Pau has a tantrum but has yet to step up in the 4th quarter of a game and lead the team? I like him being vocal but its past time for him to put his words into action on the court in crunch time!

    • TTKIN

      Hell ya, ESPECIALLY in crunch time. In the last minute in CHI, he had what, 2 turnovers and a lame ass hookshot shot attempt? All my friends and I texted in a group at the same time that, although losses cant be blamed on any individual, that one could be blamed on Pau. Lakers had the lead in the last minute, he turns it over twice and then puts up one of the worst shots in history at the end? Totally fucked us. Then of course he let Gibson dance into the paint for the game winning layup.

  • e3bonz

    Just finished watching the game via League Pass repeat. It was interesting to watch the game while all these comments were being made. The game was lost IMHO, late in fourth in three trips down the court in which we came up empty and the Knicks scored at the other end each time. Granted, a tougher defensive stance could of helped,but the Knicks created the momentum that the Lakers couldn’t overcome.

    • Daryl Peek

      Ineffective offense in crunch time. this is a plight most pay no attention to. “Our Offense will help our defense. We’ve got to get them to follow our big’s. ” Eric Spoelstra

      He said this today right before the Heat went on their run to blow the Spurs out. These are the same words D’Antoni preaches to our guys but we don’t have the talent to execute first, and then they obviously don’t have the collective will to do it either. Keep in mind the Heat rand Spurs run the D’Antoni system.

      • e3bonz

        I think they have the will, but this is where Kobe would really take the game over.

      • C*HarrisTHEboss

        They don’t run the “D’Antoni System” – they run a system that is fast paced but heavily focuses on rebounding the basketball and boxing out.

        • Daryl Peek

          Did you hear Spoelstra in the game today? Did you hear him a few days ago as he praised D’Antoni for his offensive genius? Spo basically said when he was an assistant for the spurs in the mid 2000′s MDA and the Sun were kicking their butts and Pop eventually adopted the D’antoni system as Parker took over. Pace, PNR and Floor spacing is the offensive principles they copied. Spo took that with him to Miami.

          The Heat are a terrible rebounding team! Dead last in the NBA. The Spurs are in the lower half of the middle of the pack, nabbing less that one more rebound a game than our Lakers.

          Both Pop and Spo have much better rosters and are clearly better defensive coaches. Tenure and talent are the biggest differences.

          • NickOld

            I think most teams are trying to be the Phoenix Suns in their hay days nowadays. People forget that that team got screwed by our beloved Big Shot Bob cheap shooting Nash and got Amare suspended for game 7. They would’ve easily beaten the Cavs that year had they gotten past the Spurs.

          • NickOld

            Good to have true fans of the game that actually knows what they’re talking about. Don’t understand why people wanted PJ back so much. Of-course PJ is probably the best coach ever, but times changed and the triangle is getting less and less effective. That system didn’t work for the last 2 years he was in charge, and he even admits himself that team was one of the most talented he ever coached. Teams just sprinted that team to the ground and doesn’t allow them to slow the pace down.I think that’s one of the main reason the Lakers front office decided to go in a different direction.

          • Daryl Peek

            The thing most don’t realize or pay attention to is the fact that the D’Antoni system is being taught on every level of basketball… AAU, College, Europe and the NBA. This means every new crop of young basketball players is more naturally suited to run in that system.

            Why do you think MDA has so much success in getting no name players to produce? Because they are fundamentally grounded in his basketball principles. Building a championship team is a whole other thing. You have to have the best talent to win in this league. The Heat are positive proof the MDA system can win at this level.

          • NickOld

            I don’t think most know what the MDA system is. They just think its letting anyone jack up shots and then run around aimlessly on defense. Sadly I don’t even think the sport “analysts” of today know what it is, which fuel the fire even though don’t have a clue, even though half of the league is running or have elements of the MDA system.

  • Daryl Peek

    Meeks is our one true soldier on both sides of the ball. He took full advantage of this opportunity! He continues to get better regardless. His numbers in the last 5 games are off the charts and he’s playing a ridiculous amount of minutes….

    18 pts, 2 reb, 3 assist, 2.4 steals, on 52% FG, 57% three point FG and 40 minutes a game. He playing PG, SG and checked Melo at SF today. He did a good Job on Melo too but I know he could not do that for an entire game. It just shows his will and effort when asked to step up.

    • C*HarrisTHEboss

      completely agree – dude has really improved his game on all cylinders. Definitely seems like he has taken a bunch Kobe’s advice

    • e3bonz

      Agreed, but if he had to guard Melo the whole game his offense would of suffered, and we need his numbers.

    • NickOld

      Agreed, I just wished he have arms that are longer. He reads the passing lane pretty well, just missed it by finger tips alot of the times and it cost him and the team. But I guess can’t blame him for trying.

  • Sam Saab

    its obviously the coaching problem, his offense neglects defense and rebounding. If he focuses more on crashing the boards instead of leaking out everyone then we wouldnt give so many offense boards.

    • Daryl Peek

      MDA makes some bad decisions at times but he has little to work with right now. People continue to discount the injury plight. Keep in mind they’ve been practicing shorthanded also. Madsen was forced to suit up on several occasions just so they could practice 5-5. How can you expect a team to improve when that’s their situation?

      Now couple that with only having one true ball handler. And he’s a 2nd year player who was called up from the D-League as an emergency fill in just a month ago. People have got to start acknowledging the big picture and stop pointig fingers in being blood thirsty for a scapegoat.

      • Sam Saab

        Man I understand that we got a lot of injuries, but even if we don’t we will never be championship caliber team, his system causes so many turnovers bcuz it’s so fast paced, he likes to use the stretch for and position him (Kelly ) behind the arc at all times, so how we gonna rebound when we don’t crash the boards?? And our biggest problems r rebounding and turnovers…

        • Daryl Peek

          MDA has lost 5 primary ball handlers in a PG centered system this season. His system actually promotes better ball protection as the PG controls the action. The Heat, Spurs and 90% of the NBA run high tempo offense also.

          Phil Jackson preferred using a stretch 4 over twin towers… Robert Horry was the stretch 4 that started next to Shaq. LO always got more PT than Bynum, stretch 4 principles. Phil also liked three point shooters to help space the floor… Fisher was a spot up shooter. Sasha, Glen Rice. Shannon Brown and Trevor Ariza got more PT as they improved their three point shooting under Phil. Phil shipped Sasha out after his shooting dropped off as Brown took his place. Phil brought Steve Blake in because of his distance shooting.

          Rebounding is all about effort. That’s on the players. The Heat are dead last in rebounding in the NBA this season and were not a good rebounding team the last two seasons as they won it all. Guess what? Spoelstra runs the D’Antoni system.

    • Jim213

      The coach’s system works but the problem is they don’t have any bangers inside. They focus too much on jumpers and when the shots don’t fall or they’re struggling they keep at it given that they don’t have an inside game foremost aside of getting out hustled inside since the coach prefers to minimize the bigs minutes.

      • Daryl Peek

        Bangers is not the problem. What are Sacre and Hill? As I detailed below, The Heat and Spurs are awful rebounding teams. Who’s the banger for the Spurs? Gasol grabs more rebounds a game than Duncan. Hill and Kaman are better than any other Spur. LeBron is the best rebounder for the Heat and Bosh doesn’t grab as many boards as Hill or Kaman.

        The problem is lack of offensive efficiency. Playing a system like this with lesser talent that’s short handed at the guard and SF position means you can’t run/hustle. Shots are still being jacked up but no ones able to consistently make shots and with that the teams energy gets lost as the game wears on because they’re again shorthanded and tired from chasing the other team who’s running on them. This creates the total break down we see in every second half. Gasol, Marshall and Meeks are our most efficient players but they are playing way too many minutes as they cannot truly get the proper rest in games because we need them on the court.

        Hill and Sacre are offensive liabilities on the court. They are decent defenders but if you can’t score as a team when their on the court you will eventually fall behind because the other team will score.

        • e3bonz

          Daryl, why are we not seeing more point production from the wings? Or am I missing something?

          • Daryl Peek

            Because Johnson stinks. Young and Meeks are wing players. They are both producing way above their career averages. The problem is it’s not enough. We need a 25 point a night scorer on this roster to go along with the 15-20 Gasol, Meeks and young give us on a nightly.

            Think about it? When Kelly stepped up giving us 17 in those two recent wins, Young was giving us about 25+ and Gasol was at his normal 20. That was seamless production in those games and it showed as it flowed. Inconsistency has reared its ugly head in the rookie, and Marshall is being scouted better so his numbers are erratic also.

            There’s no consistent flow to our offense. There can’t be given the short-handedness and inexperienced players we have.

            This is where the brunt of Gasol’s frustration comes from. Kobe echo’s those sentiments also.

        • Jim213

          “lack of offensive efficiency”…

          One needs an all around TEAM like the Spurs and Heat have being solid drivers in or bangers inside who can put up points and play defense. Hill and Sacre require plays to be developed for them as they can’t do it themselves mostly. Sounds like FO gets the blame the way you put it. Been saying this since the summer.

          KM is a temp given he isn’t too good of a shooter (needs work) aside of other things but don’t see him as a starter for the team and even as a backup if Farmar sticks around. The Lakers are dead to last on defense as teams know they can drive inside when they need to though it’s a green light when Pau is put out of the game. They’re 18th in 3PM and last in FGM! They wouldn’t need to try so much if they had better players inside.

          PS didn’t arrow down your post… just to let u know?

          You’ve talked all the summer about Pau having a bad season given that he’s unable to do his thing b/c of DH and now PAU! mentions that he likes playing with another big as opposed to the small ball modo. Yet who was crying and making up excuses about having a bad season given DH occupied his space?lol SMH think about that!

          Need bangers inside that can FIGHT for rebounds, make their own plays, and shoot as aside other than Pau, Hill and Sacre need help inside with play development. Don’t see Pau here next season and though he’s a liability with regards to holding the ball (especially during late in the game) he’s the only somewhat reliable source inside currently given the roster SMH.

          • Daryl Peek

            We have bangers! The Spurs and Heat don’t!! The Heat are dead last in the league rebounding. What part of that is banging for rebounds?!? They stunk rebounding last season also. The Spurs get less than one rebound a game that we do as a team. What are you talking about?!?

            Both of those teams run the same system as we do but have much better offensive talent. Yes Pop and Spo are better defensive coaches than D’Antoni but talent and tenure is the difference. All that other shit means nothing. We just need healthy bodies and better talent, that’s all.

          • Jim213

            ?!?!?SMH.. so Lebron (run away train) though more like a bruiser along with Bosh and Wade aren’t bangers? That’s their bread an butter. Bangers don’t necessarily mean Shaq type players more so hustlers who aren’t scared to go inside and do the little things to win games while getting dirty aside of good inside bigs.

            Heat and Spurs have these player. When watching the game observe how some players don’t show true aggressiveness to battle for position and drive inside as they often end up passing the ball. Check yo self? (pun) .

          • Daryl Peek

            No their not. They are dead last in rebounding in the NBA. What part of that don’t you understand?!? I don’t care about eye test’s, numbers never lie.

            The Lakers attempt 23 FT a game. The Heat attempt 24 and the Spurs 19. Getting to the FT line is an indicator of offensive aggression in attacking the paint, I.E. banging. The Lakers are better than the Spurs and right their with the Heat. These are tangible results that trump any eye test.

            The difference is offensive efficiency. Both the Spurs and Heat are way better scoring teams than the Lakers. Denver and Minny are the only two teams in the top 11 in scoring efficiency that aren’t locked in a playoff spot but they both have winning records.

            Again, “Our offense will help or defense, We’ve got to get them to follow our big’s” –Eric Spolestra in today’s Spurs Heat match up. That is the same thing MDA tells our guys but he does not have the talent to execuye like the other teams do.

          • Jim213

            Heat #1 in field goal percentage, 13th in 3PM and 7th in 3P% while averaging 21 3PFA. Lebron and even Wade haven’t made their names b/c of their shooting. It’s their ability to drive inside and score at will as this was the reason they beat the Spurs being b/c of Lebron who attracts 2-3 players inside which leaves player available for open shots aside of Allen’s clutch 3 in game 6..

            IMO, they’re pretty balanced as the Spurs are with T Parker, Ginobli, and a few others who have the ability to drive inside when the game is slowed down as opposed to transitions given they score when they need to inside (per drives) it seems, Defense like we know wins championships not just focusing on offense but you’ll disagree with that too.

          • Daryl Peek

            The better offensive efficiency helps them be better defensive teams. You just proved that for me. Our offense stinks in comparison. The only thing we do better is shoot threes. Were #5 in three point attempts and #8 in 3 point shooting percent.

            Of the top ten three point shooting teams in the league, the Lakers and Pelicans are the only two teams not locked in a playoff spot. Another indicator of D’Antoni’s principles working, just not for us due to overall lack of offensive efficiency.

            The Heat beat the Spurs because of three point shooting. Remember that guy named Ray Allen that hit that big three in game 6? Or that guy named Mike Miller that hit big shot after big shot from behind the Arc in the series?!? And on top of that you have Bosh, one of the best three point shooting centers in the NBA to help space the floor for wade and LeBron to attack the paint. See how that works in the D’Antoni system? LOL

            When you’re offensively efficient like they are you don’t have to worry about mass defensive rebounds from the other team which leads to more offensive possessions for them to score on you with. See ho w that help the defense?

            It’s s symbiotic relationship this offensive efficiency and defense thing. Great teams have both working in conjunction leading to wins VS. losses.

          • Jim213

            Nah, just went off topic a little but if you look at last year;s stats Lebron finished 1st in his team with regards to pts rebounds and assist.with Wade and Bosh mixed behind depending on the stats though starters. Thought you were playing when you said one needs to outscore their opponents more so than play D a few days ago.

            *But your belief is that a good offense trumps a solid DEFENSE?! You’re a shoe in with the coach then.. (pun)

          • Daryl Peek

            No, my thing is efficient offense helps your defense. Teams that make deep playoff runs always have both. Phil’s teams were not the greatest defensively. The efficiency of the triangle helped the defense. Again, Making shots at a high rate allows you to get back and set up your defense.

            Phil would call timeouts when the team got out of whack offensively. He would often let them work it out when they were getting beat on defense. How many times did we hear Phil say the offense was out of sorts in a halftime interview? Rarely did he mention D. It was mostly offensive execution he was concerned with.

          • Jim213

            That can be said for mostly him having franchise players(s) as we know (stats) the numbers they brought (avg). But for the lower seeded teams that lack STAR players defense is #1 main concern given they’d struggle to avg 100+ pts a night. This can be said for teams with massive injuries that leaves them in a mediocre state.

            But IMO defense should be #1 concern b/c the NBA is full of talented people who’d need to put up pts though defensively it’s a different issue. As they say in the NFL defense win championships which goes for NBA too but we know this already.

          • Daryl Peek

            Whether you want to admit it or not. The NBA is an offensive centered league. All of the rule changes over the years have been to help offense not defense. and many of them have contributed to the eradication of traditional bangers and post up centers. The assimilation of the zone defense in the NBA made bangers like a Shaq pretty much obsolete.

            This is why Kobe, Shaq, Gary Payton, ETC… all say they hate this NBA. It’s also why elite players cannot be stopped. Lower seeded teams don’t win NBA championships. You can bank on the best team (with the best players) usually winning it all in the NBA.

            Defense wins championships but as I joked before, you still have to score more points than your opponent to win the game. LOL

          • Jim213

            SMH, just as in any sport except my impression is that you believe when teams like today (small ball) have bad shootings nights it’s ‘oh well keep shooting until they fall in’ as opposed to having a more balanced game which would be the ability to play inside aside of driving the ball in.

            For lower seeded teams to improve their ability to win games (not championships SMH) they must play/rely on D. Yes, the league seems more ticky tacky with regards to fouls today than in the past but I believe it’s more of players trying to sell a play/foul as opposed to being soft. Just like you brought up in your tantrum vs Clippers. lol

          • Daryl Peek

            Small ball so to speak is the now and future….

            “The thing most don’t realize or pay attention to is the fact that the D’Antoni system is being taught on every level of basketball… High school, AAU, College, Europe and the NBA. This means every new crop of young basketball players is more naturally suited to run in that system.

            Why do you think MDA has so much success in getting no name players to produce? Because they are fundamentally grounded in his basketball principles. Building a championship team is a whole other thing. You have to have the best talent to win in this league. The Heat are positive proof the MDA system can win at this level.”

            Defense in today’s game is all about communication in rotations. Again, efficient offense has always helped defense due to the ability to get back and set up your D after a made shot VS. chasing after a missed one on a potential fast break. Rarely do you see the lock down individual defenders. Only a handful of them in the league in general.

            Old school was a player like Moses Malone getting a ton of offensive rebounds. Those days are gone. As we see with Hill that level of energy cannot be sustained in today’s game. Look at the Griz and Randolph, or Howard in Houston. They don’t feast off offensive rebounds like they use to. It’s the pace of the game today.

          • Jim213

            Ain’t saying the system doesn’t work… FO will have to find the best fit to what they plan to do for the future. This is why DH left (thankfully) being that the system didn’t suit him though the Rockets have accommodated him to their style of play which works for both DH and the team.

            This is what FO will have to do IMO is find the best offense that will allow them to transition from true small ball to another that would accommodate bigs too. However, D is always involved which the coach hasn’t addressed since the start of the season though K Rambis gets blame too.

            Can help to think that they would’ve won a few more games with Kaman and Pau on the floor like they did at the beginning of the season. But guess coach doesn’t like the route so #rollwithit until end of season hopefully.

          • Daryl Peek

            Howard left the D’Antoni system and landed right back in it. Asik is a big that could allow the rockets to run twin towers. McHale is played twin towers his entire career in Boston yet he opts to run 1 in 4 out MDA small ball, leaving Asik on the bench and proverbial trading block like Gasol was when Howard was a Laker. The Rockets have not accommodated Howard. He’s just accepted the same role D’Antoni tried to get him to play, and did so simply because he did not want to be a Laker in the first place and more importantly in his mind, didn’t want to play with Kobe. (Kick Rocks)

            The FO will not have to do anything outside of get better talent, whether it’s through the draft and or free agency. The offense MDA is running is just fine. We just need healthy players and better health. This accommodate big’s theme you’re stuck on is dead in the NBA. Even Gasol has started to thrive in the current system. Again, he just need help and it has nothing to do with adding a banger. It’s more about adding another talented scorer to balance the offense.

            I agreed with the Kaman theme you speak on but not playing along side of Gasol. Kaman should be the first center off the bench. Kaman and Hill would be the perfect mix as the second unit IMO. Sacre is not good enough to get the PT he does given Kaman is riding the pine?

          • e3bonz

            Does it seem that teams playing small ball need more PG’s than in the other systems due to what I see as a higher injury factor?

          • Daryl Peek

            Just like everything else in life the heighten media coverage makes the injuries seem outta control. Although the sheer number the Lakers have this season is an anomaly. Around the league it’s not that crazy as I see it.

  • Daryl Peek

    Another example of the injury plight is the Spurs and the Suns. The Spurs are slowly falling off a bit with two key injuries Leonard being the main one. The Suns were rolling in the 4th seed til Eric Bledsoe went down. Now their battling Dallas to hold the 7th seed. The Heat hurt bad when Wade is out.

    Now think about how bad the Lakers have it with 5 primary ball handlers missing over half the games we’ve played this season so far and no sure dates in sight on when they will return. All of this with a group that was new to each other to start. People were and are expecting way too much from this bunch of career back ups and D-Leaguers.

    Reality has slapped us in the face and it’s not a pretty sight. I hate the tank theme but this team is on that course naturally it seems.

  • metalbass

    d’antoni is making me mad… i’m starting to believe that his only coaching concepts are “i need a stretch 4″ and “space the floor”… How about some defense?????!!!!

    • genclaire

      the only way the Lakers could go back to its glory is to change the coach. MDA doesn’t know how to utilize big men examples when he was coaching the Phoenix suns and New York. He is a poor defensive coach. The Buss family should look at the outcome, MDA system does not fit the Lakers brand of playing. If they only have taken PJ or JSloan or retain MBrown then I think the Lakers have a fighting chance. MDA does not have the respect of the players and does not like his system. Please Buss family you are just wasting your money and resources to a coach that doesn’t deserve the praise of the Lakers fan.

      • metalbass

        i agree, except for mike brown that was awful and far worst than MDA.

  • LakersHeatBeef

    The Lakers need to improve the center position and get some rebounders to help out the team and move Pau Gasol back to Power Forward his natural position.

  • TTKIN

    Ok well stop venting to the media and try to play a little bit of defense in the paint…u know, since ur the Center and big man and all and the defense is the reason we keep losing. Scoring 110 pts a game isnt why we’re losing that’s for sure.

  • cooldad

    What Pau complaining actually he does`t have a strength to protect the middle specially against the guards.. since Phil was a coach the defense already a problem when he is in the middle…Bynum protects the middle more than him and strong on offense. He is a just a cry baby albeit in his offensive action always yell when he did the layup very egregious hermaphrodite.

  • Eitan

    You guys are all DELIRIOUS. The name of the game is TEAM DEFENSE. Sure Kendall has his flaws on the defensive end, but you cant put all the blame on him. Jodie cant play D, Pau needs to be a stronger post defender, RYAN KELLY IS THE WORST DEFENDER I’VE EVER SEEN, Jordan Hill has absolutely no basketball IQ, Nick Young is a notoriously bad defender but is improving. Wesley and X are the best defenders on our team and X is out until god knows when. You think Nash is going to help us? You think Kobe can return to former glory? Nash is one of the worst defenders in the NBA even before his injury issues. Kobe was playing terrible defense in his 6 games back from the achilles injury. Marshall is playing out of his mind right now, the kid is 22 and has so much potential. If we don’t resign him we’d be missing out on having one of the best passing point guards in the league. Dantoni needs to stop starting Ryan FREAKING Kelly and take him out of the rotation completely. Starting five should be Marshall Meeks Wesley Pau and Kaman. That way we can stop losing the rebounding battle every night and actually have a chance to win some games Im tired of playing this small ball crap.

  • Sti1lmatic

    I can barely watch the games now. They just don’t have any excitement and heart in them. I can only imagine how these guys feel having to play after losing 14 of the last 15 or whatever. Yeah they get paid money and all but nobody likes losing. Nobody likes losing the way the Lakers are losing.

  • Marty Susman

    Gasol’s slip began when this coach first benched him and kept going downhill from there. The coach not only hurt Gasol but began the destruction of Pac’s trade value…This coach has hurt the long time future of the Lakers far more then he has helped.

  • Rigged4fun

    If Pau is so frustrated, how come his hustle and defense is non-existent in games? His defense is almost non existent for the most part. That’s why the lane is like a freeway for the opposition.

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