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Kobe Bryant On Competing With Tim Duncan: ‘Great Rivalry’

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Over the course of his career with the Los Angeles Lakers, Kobe Bryant has basically been neck-and-neck with fellow superstar Tim Duncan in terms of competing for championships.

The Lakers dominated the competition early in Kobe’s career winning three straight titles while playing alongside Shaquille O’Neal. Los Angeles struggled after Shaq was dealt to the Miami Heat giving the Spurs a window of opportunity that Duncan and company took advantage of.

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Unfortunately for Duncan, the future Hall of Famer was stuck at a grand total of four titles for quite some time. Head coach Greg Popovich eventually figured out how to utilize a squad filled with aging veterans and as a result led the team to back-to-back NBA Finals appearances.

After the San Antonio Spurs beat LeBron James’ Heat in five games in the Finals last season, Duncan matched Kobe’s total of five NBA titles making the final years of their careers a race to sixth ring.

Kobe talked about Duncan matching his championship total and their rivalry over the years in the video above via Kobe Team:

Kobe asked about Tim Duncan. Responds: “5-5, I got it.”

“Pressure? There is always pressure on me. It’s no different to me. I enjoy the pressure. It’s been a great rivalry between myself and Tim.

“He’s a great guy and an incredible basketball player. I’m very honored that we kind of grew up together competing for championships.”

Duncan is entering possibly his last season in the NBA with the five-time NBA champion set to make $10 million with the Spurs. If San Antonio remains a title contender and Duncan continues to play well, seeing the face of the franchise return for the 2015-16 NBA season isn’t out of the realm of possibility.

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As for Kobe, the superstar guard signed a two-year, $48.5 million contract extension with the Lakers back in November of last year. The consensus is that Kobe has signed his last contract with the team and will call it a career in two years time, but he has yet to announced that he’ll officially retire once his current contract expires.

At this point in time, Duncan has a decent shot of winning a sixth ring while Kobe enters a potentially extensive rebuilding process in Los Angeles. It’ll be interesting to see how things pan out for these two superstars in the twilight of their careers.

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  • vdogg

    so great to hear kobe interviewed. he’s really grown as a player and a person. he truly ‘gets it’. he didn’t always… but he does now, it seems. great to see.

  • The Sarge

    Kobe BryantVerified account‏@kobebryant
    Spoke with @Paul_George24 devastating injury to say the least but he has my full support on twitter and off #here4U

    Man i really appreciate Kobe doing that for Paul George.

    As i must say Paul George was fighting for The USA,He was fighting for his country with pride at the time of his horrible injury and he is a fallen USA soldier and i respect and honor what he did in the line of duty,he put it all out on the line and he went down with giving it his all on the court.

    Just watch that play he got injured on it was a effort play that caused his injury a defensive hustle play running down a player from behind to block a shot.

    The people love Paul George and the country should be proud of PG.Thank you for the pride you showed.

    Salute from The Sarge!

    • Zach

      Fallen soldier..? Come on…I appreciate George’s efforts for Team USA but it’s not like wandering through a field of land mine in Iraq or anything…

  • Redemption Rain

    I honestly wished Kobe got 6 because now you have this whole debate among NBA Fans of who was the greatest of this generation, Both Duncan and Kobe has 5, but some are using Duncan’s 2 MVP vs Kobe’s 1 MVP to make an argument, also Duncan has one more Finals MVP then Kobe…..

    My biggest ultimate dream for Kobe now is to either win his 6th ring with a 3rd Finals MVP or the 2014-2015 MVP….=__=

    • joshhh

      if u go down the list tim has had just a little bit better career than kobe but u can argue that kobe had to go through a lot of more shit u know with shaq and how he had to redeem himself etc.. so for that I have to give kobe the edge cuz he overcomed and dealt with more shit butin my eyes it’s stupid to compare a pf and guard it doesn’t make so u know

      • Redemption Rain

        Kobe did have to go through a lot of shit, LA Lakers always has some kind of drama going on….when have the Spurs or their players ever went through fights? Disagreement with coaches and FO issues?

        I think we can agree that Kobe is the 2nd greatest SG behind Jordan, but is Tim Duncan the greatest PF in NBA history?

        • joshhh

          agreed but when I compare all times im gonna just compare by each postion theres the guards and theres the big men and it’s so it’s not like u can’t compare LeBron to kobe just because he’s SF or Durant etc.. when there careers r over obviously u compare pg’s all the way to sf’s and than u compare the big men pf and centers but what u said about tim that’s up for debate some could argue

          • Redemption Rain

            I think you could compare players in terms of their success and production. We are doing it right now by comparing Kobe and Duncan’s rings, their MVPs and etc…

            For example a Center will have more rebounds than a Point Guard, but the PG makes up for it with the assists. A Center might have more blocks but a PG might have more steals.

            When NBA Fans rank players and you decide on who is the the top 10 or top 25 greatest of all time you will be asking yourself why is Jordan ranked number 1 over Shaq for example. Or why is Larry Bird ahead of Charles Barkley. There are tons of greats from different positions and people would compare rings, MVPs, scoring tittles, All-Star rating and etc. to compare these greats

          • vdogg

            i’d actually give it to kobe. at the end of the day, kobe was simply the better player when both were in their primes. tim was never the best player in the NBA.

          • Redemption Rain

            I want to say Kobe, but most NBA Fans and especially Spurs fans would disagree, I know Tim has 3 Finals MVPs and 2 season MVPs. I’m starting to think Kobe is the closest thing to Jordan in terms of who is the 2nd best shooting guard. Right now it looks like Duncan is the best PF. So your going to be comparing the 2nd greatest SG vs the best PF.

          • vdogg

            duncan is not even a pure PF. his skills are for more center. for my money, karl malone is the best PF in NBA history.

          • joshhh

            there’s also kevin McHale most unstoppable post move

          • Redemption Rain

            Duncan can play the PF/C, and Malone hasn’t won rings…

          • vdogg

            i see. so BJ armstrong is a better PG than john stockton?

          • Redemption Rain

            No because Armstrong isn’t a legend or a great like Stockton, when you compare greats/legends you compare their stats and accolades, obviously Stockton brought more to his team then Armstrong. Why do you think MJ is consider the GOAT instead of Bill Russel

          • Chrmngblly

            That’s two different ages of the world you’re talking about with MJ and Russel. How do you ever compare Russel, Shaq, Hakeem, Kareem and Wilt?

          • Redemption Rain

            It doesn’t matter dude, we are talking about the top 50. top 25, or top 10 GREATEST OF ALL TIME, Is Bill Russel not a superstar? Is MJ not a super star? Any NBA Hall of Famer from the past or the future (Kobe, Duncan, Lebron) will be ranked in with the other greats.

          • Chrmngblly

            I think that’s what I said.

          • Redemption Rain

            LOL Re-read what you said, you told me “how can you compare them,” I gave you the answer and yes you could compare them

          • joshhh

            it doesn’t make sense to compare them

          • Redemption Rain

            Not in stats but in terms of success and accolades yes you can. If you can’t compare them why is Jordan the GOAT and above Magic(PG), Bird(SF), Robertson(PG), Kareem(C), and etc…

          • Chrmngblly

            Wrong. Duncan was absolutely the best player in the NBA for about 4 years. There is a reason they call him “the big fundamental”—it is high praise.

          • joshhh

            ur right. kobe is the closest thing to mj and he will always be but that’s all he’s gonna be he can’t surpass him cuz even if kobe wins 7. the reason is 6 for 6 for 6 kobe already lost twice in the finals that’s what diminishes him from every body else he never lost in the finals heck he never even had a game 7 that’s speechless

          • Redemption Rain

            If anything, I hope Kobe owns a team and wins more rings then Jordan every would as a owner LOL. Kobe be like

            “you maybe the GOAT and the best SG that ever lived, but I’m the better owner with so and so championships”

          • K

            At the end of the day points win basketball games that’s why people like Kobe and Jordan will go down as the greatest players of their respective generations. Sure rebounds help lead to wins but ain’t nobody watching YouTube videos of buzzer beater rebounds lol

          • Redemption Rain

            You completely missed the point of this whole discussion. But yes, Kobe is a lot more “flashy” then Duncan that’s for sure…….

        • http://www.haveslot.com/ richard

          ONe of the greatest advantage Tim Duncan had over Kobe is the coach. Tim have the same coach for all his career while Kobe had to adjust to different coaches and play different systems.

          • Redemption Rain

            True, but that goes with all the drama the Lakers get while the Spurs have been consistent with their coaching staff.

      • reason

        Kobe had to go through more sh*T because he created A LOT of it, so you can’t credit a man for making a mess and having to clean it up or wallow in it……………
        Duncan’s career is far superior to that of Kobe, and here are several reasons
        Duncan has always been the undisputed leader of his team on EVERY championship they have won even when he was not finals MVP.
        Kobe can only say he was the leader of the team on the last 2.

        the Lakers an organization, won many NBA championships before Kobe became a Laker and was/ is willing to spend to build championship Caliber teams.
        the Spurs never Won anything before Duncan came and its a big IF if they can carry on after he leaves at a championship level.

        Duncan is and has been a far better team mate easier to play with and a better example of a leader than Kobe

        • vdogg

          your biased OPINION is not fact, sorry.

        • Este-BOMB

          Duncan never won back t. Back… Let alone 3 opeat and then back to back… Lol

          • Gosheven

            That’s your argument? Duncan never won back to back? LOL. There are plenty of GREATS who didn’t win back to back titles. Heck, some greats never even won a single title.

            Here’s one for you: Kobe never won a title in 3 different decades.

        • Dv

          Espn agent you are…

        • TrollsAreStupid

          Hahaha. Have you ever heard of a guy named David Robinson or maybe Tony Parker. Don’t act like he was the undisputed leader for all those championships. This is the ultimate problem with the comparison of players. Everyone thinks they know better when they obviously didn’t even watch whatever event they throw out pointless statistics at. The reason why MJ is the goat is because he wrecked teams in the playoffs almost single handedly and scored at will. He changed the flow of each game and crushed opponents spirits. Why everyone compares Kobe to MJ is because we all got to see the second coming of the basketball Jesus as he started giving us the same performances we had just seen 5 years earlier. As fundamentally amazing and consistent as Tim has been, he has never had the same impact as Kobe on the court.

          • Anwar Winston

            Do you know what defensive win shares are? Duncan who has never won DPOY has lead the league several times in DEFENSE. He instantly played a role in his franchises success. That’s immediate impact. No maturation stage. No rebuilding. Just playoff berth after playoff berth.
            He was ALL NBA 1st TEAM his first 10 years in the league. Let that sink in.

          • vdogg

            for such a great defender, he has never won DPOY? wow.. i need to let THAT sink in..

          • Gosheven

            So I guess Jordan was winning championships before A) Scottie Pippen became an All-Star and All-Time great player and B)the old guard, Magic Lakers, Bird Celtics, Isaiah Pistons got old?

            I have been a San Anotnio Spurs fan for 22 years. I was drawn to the team/organization because of one player: David Robinson. His quiet, professional, classy character and athleticism/skill combined with his Navy background (my father is a Navy veteran) appealed to me. I watched the many highs and the rare lows of the majority of Robinson’s career. I watched as he and my Spurs got bounced from the playoffs time and time again. I was there screaming at the top of my lungs when the Spurs drafted Tim Duncan and I have watched with esteemed and unwavering pride as we have won TIME and TIME again because of the transcendent talent of Mr. Timothy Duncan.

            I am and forever will be an eternally grateful fan of The Admiral, but he saw what everyone with a modicum of basketball acumen/IQ saw: that Tim Duncan was/is a once in a generation type player who was destined for superstardom and an undisputed place amongst the ALL-TIME greats of the NBA. Because of this foresight/recognition, David Robinson himself stepped aside and handed the keys to Tim Duncan and in HIS OWN WORDS acknowledged and still acknowledges that Timothy Theodore Duncan, The Big Fundamental (thank you Shaq) was/is the undisputed LEADER of the Spurs throughout the entirety of his illustrious 17-year career.

            While Shaq was with the Lakers, Kobe was NEVER EVER close to being considered the leader of that team. Even after Shaq left, it took the acquisition of Pau Gasol and 2 more championships for Kobe to even be placed in the same air as Shaq and Tim.

            Kobe is only compared to MJ because he aped every move and cadence exhibited by the man. I mean seriously, the guy even copied the way he walks and chews his gum for crying out loud!

            SMH, Kobe fans.

            You can take that to the bank.

        • CDub

          THANK YOU!!! Finally, someone who actually speaks with sense! All of this “Kobe had to deal with and overcome more adversity: Shaq, changing coaches, different systems, etc.” What the what?? Kobe created a lot of the adversity!!! He had to “deal with Shaq?” The most physically dominant center in NBA history? The guy who carried Kobe’s cocky, arrogant, selfish a** to 3 championships! The same Shaq who was routinely double- and triple-teamed in the playoffs? The freaking 3-time Finals MVP and 1-time league MVP?? The same Shaq who went Miami and watched the Kobe-led Lakers crash and burn 3 straight seasons while he won a 4th ring in Miami in only his second year there? The same Shaq who had already been to the Finals with Orlando and was a Rookie of the Year? That Shaq?? ROFLMBO, please! Stop rewriting history already! Give me a freaking break!

          Kobe is the only superstar I’ve ever seen whose fans feel the need, no duty, to completely whitewash his career and actually change and/or discard years of facts and evidence in order to legitimize his “greatness.” Kobe has achieved a lot, but he’s always been little more than a glorified selfish/self-obsessed ball hog who cares so much about surpassing Michael Jordan (a feat which somehow he and too many of his deluded fans have yet to realize will NEVER EVER happen) that he is willing to sabotage the efforts of his own team to foolishly try to accomplish this impossible task.

          Coaching changes? They’ve come BECAUSE of Kobe! Phil Jackson went on and in about how “uncoachable” Kobe was during his first tenure with the Lakers, even going so far to relate how Kobe used to sabotage his high school team just so he could be the hero. The guy has always been an egomaniac who, in the injury-laden twilight of his career, is finally being forced to realize that he will NEVER EVER be Jordan, let alone surpass him. Even at this point, his egomania has driven him to sabotage his team by taking that ridiculous contract and leaving the Lakers in the toilet in his final years.

          For years Kobe fans got to say, “Well, Kobe has 5 rings and Tim only has 4.” Now that Tim has 5 and a very real shot at 6 in the coming season, Kobe fans want to throw out this silly “adversity” argument.

          Hate to break it to you: Tim Duncan, the undisputed LEADER of FIVE championship teams, former UNQUESTIONED Rookie of the Year, 2-time League MVP, 3-time Finals MVP (could have easily been 4 or 5 in ’07 and ’14), and ANCHOR/ROCK of the heralded BEST Sports Franchise of the last 17 years (no team in any of the 4 major professional U.S. leagues has a better winning percentage than the Duncan-led Spurs) that has won and unprecedented 50 games or more for 16 years and NEVER missed the playoffs under his watch is the DEFINITIVE GOAT of his Generation, the post-Michael Jordan era.

          Consistency, Class, Professionalism.

    • Kishan

      Agree, but MVP doesnt define everything…… if kobe had a better team after shaq and before Gasol he would of got MVP with those amazing numbers he put up,,,, but his team was shit

      • Redemption Rain

        MVP means you’re the best player in the league. You got it all backwards, in terms of team success that is championships, in terms of individual accomplishments its MVP.

        Not a Lebron fan, but he won 2 MVPs with the shitty Cavs

        • Kishan

          but does factor in how good ur team is…. Lebron was competing in the east … if Lebron was in west then No chance he would of got MVP….. all I’m saying Kobe didn’t have a team for a certain period

          • Redemption Rain

            Yeah the West was harder, but the Cavs were still a shitty team. Kobe would have gotten another MVP I bet in 2006 if he took the Lakers over the Suns and we were VERY close, still don’t know how the hell we lost that series.

            Anyways the team you have does factor in, but that is not the main reason. As I said MVP is award to one person, while championships is rewarded to every member of the team that won the championship. Even a rookie or bench player can have a ring if he was part of a championship team.

  • lakerfan83

    Hey at the end of the day alot of us that are at a certain age are really lucky to see this game we love be played by most of the greatest players to play the game from jordan, magic, bird, shaq, penny, kemp, peyton, ewing, stockton, Malone, kobe, iverson, lebron, cp3, duncan, etc

    • Gosheven

      Now that, good sir, is the TRUTH right there!

  • Lakan Kildap

    First it was Shaq who picked Tim as his rival, after Kobe won his 5th. Now it’s Kobe’s turn. Amazing. When Tim wins his 7th, he’ll say “Robert Horry” or something.

    • vdogg

      tim is great, but the real star of that spurs organization is pop. the man is a coaching genius. duncan could go through a playoffs averaging 14 points and 6 boards and the spurs could still win. if kobe put up those numbers, NO WAY the lakers come close to winning.

      • Anwar Winston

        Duncan would be willing to make that sacrifice though. No way Kobe buys into that system. That’s what most people miss. His numbers slipped because he was looking at the long haul. His efficiency NEVER slipped.

        • vdogg

          how can you actually say for sure what kobe would and wouldn’t buy into? come on, man.

          • Mark

            i hate to say this bruh, beause i sound like a broken record, but kobe essentially made it known that he wouldn’t buy into it with his monstrous $24 million contract. i’ve heard it all: he was offered the contract, blah blah blah… the fact of the matter is, FOR THAT PRICE, the lakers aren’t winning anything if kobe puts up those numbers. that’s a fact. tim duncan has embraced aging with grace. as a lifelong laker fan, i have always said that what makes kobe great would also be his downfall: his almost naive confidence, and his downright stubbornness. it’s what made him greater than he really should have been (watch his early years; there’s NO WAY this dude should have been one of the best of all-time)… however, it’s also a key cog in the lakers’ latest downfall. i guarantee he signed that contract partly because he just assumed he would easily conquer the achilles injury and start playing like prime kobe again… but it doesn’t happen like that at this age. as much as i love kobe, the blinders he has on that made him a legend are now hurting him… but at the end of the day, the positives with kobe will still outweigh the negatives. i just wish he had a little more balance. more mantra. not so extreme with everything. he might have been even better.

          • Gosheven

            Now see, this is a true BBall man right here. I’ve said time and time again that Kobe is the Lakers’ greatest weapon and their greatest weakness. His arrogance has cost the team on more than one occasion. Not as much as it has helped the team, but still. I agree with everything you’ve stated.

            Look at what Duncan has done over the years. Look at the consistency of his game, the efficiency. He has shown in his playoff runs, that he still has it in him to put up the same career numbers he always has, but he has been willing to “age with grace” and sacrifice his individual numbers and compensation to make the TEAM around him better. Kobe was in the perfect situation/position to do the same this time around and once again he let his hubris get in the way.

            That being said, I’m looking forward to seeing how he embraces this season. I think that he may possibly be turning the corner somewhat and will take on the role of leader/mentor, a real one this time. I especially can’t wait to see how he meshes with Jeremy Lin. I really do believe that Kobe will be good for Lin’s career/game and that he will surprise us all this season and truly embrace that role.

            I certainly hope so. As much as I have disliked Kobe in the past, I have mellowed on him considerably since his 4th championship and would be pleased to see him truly embrace being an All-Time great by leaving a positive legacy in his final years as a mentor and leader. I don’t think the Lakes will amount o much in the stacked Western Conference, but I do believe that Kobe will surprise us and really help develop Lin.

  • DKWTTY

    I always find it amusing that haters say Kobe has had it good his entire career being surrounded by great players but then continue on to say Duncan is better or compare Kobe to Tim Duncan in some way. Tim has had the same coach and core group for his entire career. Tim can also get to and win the Finals putting up average numbers and no one says a word but they still say Kobe was carried to ALL of his.

    • http://www.haveslot.com/ richard

      people have their own lenses where they love to look at things using those lenses.

      • Zach

        Kobe fans do that more than anyone. Look at the rape denial…

        • vdogg

          is there proof of the rape, zach?

          • Zach

            There is far more evidence of the rape than proof that Kobe is a great player, let’s put it that way.

          • vdogg

            LOL. and you’re unbiased, we know that. ha! kobe is one of the best of all time. oh, and no true rape victim is seen and heard a a party days after the incident bragging about having had sex with their alleged rapist. it just doesn’t happen.

          • Zach

            Have you personally known many victims of a celebrity rape? Didn’t think so. Does an innocent man admit to guilt publicly, pay off the victim and buy their wife a $5 million ‘apology’ ring? THAT’s what doesn’t happen. He’s as guilty as any rapist who ever lived.

          • Chrmngblly

            Vdogg knows many rape victims. How do you think a guy like that gets laid?

          • vdogg

            typical 5th grade sense of humor. what, no jokes about my mom? she’ll be oh-so disappointed.

          • Chrmngblly

            Come on, lighten up…I admit my childish sense of humor. Say hello to your mom for me, too….:-)

          • vdogg

            ha. when did he ever admit guilt? never happened. stop re-writing history. who brags about sex with their rapist? NO ONE.

          • Chrmngblly

            There is more to that story than anyone will ever hear.

          • Zach

            So true, and Kobe’s lucky it got so swept under the rug. Can you imagine if LBJ had done the same thing? There’d be a story every day online about how it tainted his legacy. Kobe = Rape Boy.

          • vdogg

            he said, she said. no one will ever know. but no rape victim brags about the sex three days BEFORE filing charges.

          • Zach

            No innocent man proclaims his guilt to the world. Also, no true superstar shoots 6 for 24 in a Game 7.

          • SAS

            Always remember Dirk shot 9-27 in game 6 against the heat and had 11 rebounds..Kobe still had 15 rebounds as a shooting guard.Dunno wtf you guys come on a Lakers site a shout shit from your mouths..So either you no nothing about b-ball, you can’t add or subtract, you hate Kobe, or your a racist pig!!!! No way Dirk a pf/C has a worse shooting record than a fucking shooting guard let alone less rebounds….Fucking asshole!!!!!!

          • sasso

            ***and shout……know nothing…lol just a little pissed at these assholes..You see it all over the net 6-24 bla,bla…but wtf about 9-27… you guys truly are idiots….

          • Zach

            Need a hankie little girl? A Game 7 is a whole different ballgame. Some guys shoot the lights out and score 37 points like LBJ, some guys choke like Kobe. I’m no racist, I hate rapists of all colors. And it can’t be denied that Kobe is a rapist.

          • vdogg

            jordan went 5-19 in game 6 vs. SEA in 96. is jordan not a “true superstar”?

          • Zach

            That’s not a game 7. Did you fail math by any chance?

          • Chrmngblly

            He is not a rapist; he is a victim here. You are so naïve. Get a grip.

          • vdogg

            hilarious how some idiots on here are continuing to harp on some trumped-up rape charge from more than a decade ago in which the “victim” — and i use that term in the loosest possible sense — was bragging about having slept with kobe just days after the incident. but don’t you dare bring up the lakers’ title from 2009.. because THAT would somehow be living in in the past. HA!

          • Chrmngblly

            Multiple dude’s sperm still swimming around in there, too. She was well-lubed, you might say. I feel sorry for Kobe, truthfully, to be at the tale end of that.

        • http://www.haveslot.com/ richard

          you mean the one where the girl brags about the rape with friends and police found at least 3 semen in her underwear? Was that the one you were referring to?

    • Gosheven

      Here’s a word problem for you: How many championships did the Lakers have before Kobe arrived? Of the 30 teams in the NBA, how many have a greater revenue or are in a bigger market than the Lakers? Now compare that to the number of championships the Spurs had when Tim arrived, the revenue and market share of the Spurs.

      That is why everyone says that Kobe had it good his entire career. The dude averaged something like 8 points a game in his early years on the team with the second most championships and the largest bankroll in the league. And let’s not forget that his teammate was the most physically dominating player the game has ever seen… IN HIS PRIME. Don’t you think that afforded him just a little more time to develop from a high school nobody into a legit superstar?

      Tim came in on DAY ONE and put up the same numbers he has averaged for his ENTIRE CAREER and took a team that had NEVER won a championship to FIVE CHAMPIONSHIPS.

      Tim had the same coach and same core because HE was coachable, HE was willing to put in the work and make the sacrifices, HE embraced his teammates, HE set the tone from the beginning.

      Really, where is the comparison?

      • DKWTTY

        Nothing you said made any sense or is relevant to the comparison of Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant. What their teams did before they arrived had absolutely NOTHING to do with them. How did the Lakers winning championships when Kobe was a child help Kobe when he was a Laker? Did Magic play point and dish him assists? No.

        Of course Kobe had Shaq genius, but Tim Duncan had David Robinson, Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker and Greg Popovich his ENTIRE CAREER. Kobe did not have Shaq his entire career. He did not have Phil Jackson his entire career. He has had many different coaches and many different team-mates and still won 5 titles and unlike Tim Duncan he successfully defended his titles, multiple times. Afforded him a little more time? What a dumbass statement. Kobe had to come off the bench because they already had good guards for the Lakers. Tim has not put up or averaged the same numbers his entire career. He did not take them to five championships either. Stop lying and rewriting history.

        He had the same coach through luck jackass. Kobe wasn’t willing to put in the work or make sacrifices? You’re a dumbass. Kobe had ZERO control over Phil being the Lakers coach. Phil makes his own decisions. Tim didn’t speak to Manu or Tony for an entire year. Stop rewriting history. He got lucky he had a great coach who stayed because he loved his job and didn’t have an owner he clashed with. He got lucky in playing with two international superstars who don’t have egos like a Shaquille O’Neal.

        Kobe has five titles with different players and defended his titles. Yes, where is the comparison? Someone who had adversity and STILL WON vs someone who did not and couldn’t defend ANY of his titles? Kobe>>>Tim Duncan. Get the fuck off LAKERS Nation is you don’t like FACTS.

  • Ric V. Avelino

    Nothing is impossible, 37 y/o kobe can still win the 6th ring with Jeremy Lin Nash Clarkson Randle Young Hill Boozer and the entire Lakers. Lin is no Anthony but he was delivering where Anthony was failing then in NYK. When Carmen was back the ball was back to him and history.

    • Zach

      LOL. You do realize this team is about the 12th best in the West right now? Tops. There is a better chance of you winning the lotto twice today than the Lakers winning it all this year.

  • ghost

    Duncan was better player, better in PO, more impact, even more accomplished. He is few spots higher in all-time list.

    • vdogg

      you’re kidding, right? in their primes, kobe was clearly a better basketball player. kobe took over the league for several years in a way that duncan never did, never could. more impact — are you kidding me??? kobe had a massive impact on the lakers (not to mention the NBA). remember that shaq was dominant when he got to the lakers, having already taken the magic to the finals. but the lakers won titles when KOBE came into his own and not before. in addition, kobe has more first team all NBA selections.. for first team all defensive selections… has won the majority of the playoff battles with timmy’s spurs… oh, and two years ago kobe finished 4th in MVP voting while timmy was nowhere close. i would put kobe about two spots higher than tim on the all time list.

      • Anwar Winston

        Insanity. Kobe had to come into his own. Duncan was thrashing the league by that time. Playoff numbers ALWAYS IMPROVED from his regular season stats. Kobe is amazing. What he transformed himself into is utterly amazing, but Duncan entered the league a ready made superstar. Yeah they beat SA early in the playoffs. But you check the Duncan/Shaq head to head match up and you’ll see Duncan went blow for blow with the Diesel in his prime. Then remember who broke up that 3peat? Contrary to popular belief it was NOT the Detroit Pistons. IT WAS THE 2003 NBA CHAMPION SAN ANTONIO SPURS!

        • Zach

          Duncan has always played the game the right way, while it’s actually amazing that Kobe hasn’t tranformed himself much at all actually. Still the mediocre shooter he was 17 years ago, still taking terrible shots with other players open. Shot volume has made Kobe appear to be a superstar, but practically any other player taking the same amount of shots will score more than him.
          Duncan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe

          • vdogg

            lol. 45% is actually a very decent % for a perimeter player who is counted on score. besides, kobe’s got the most dimes of any player in the 30K point club. don’t get me wrong, duncan is great. but kobe has been the better player overall.

          • Zach

            But Jordan shot 50%, massively better than Kobrick. And Duncan has never been carried to titles; Kobe always was. Just can’t picture Duncan ever going 6 for 24 when it really mattered. Kobe’s not even close to Duncan on any all-time list of greats.

          • vdogg

            jodan didn’t shoot 50%. he shot 49% for his career, mostly in an era in which it was easier to score. for you to say that duncan was never carried to titles and kobe always was is your biased OPINION. oh and jordan went 5-19 in game 6 vs SEA in 96. howcome no one ever brings that up? kobe’s 5 rings trump tim’s 4.5, sorry.

          • Zach

            LOL, Jordan shot .497 for his career, essentially 50%. Kobe has 3 rings legitimately. You want to punish Duncan for a strike but give Kobe two rings L.A. obviously didn’t earn in ’02 and ’10? Lame…
            Any GM worth his salt takes a reliable big man over a bricklaying turnover machine like Kobe. Not even a question.

          • vdogg

            obviously didn’t earn? WTF are you talking about??? rings are a team accomplishment. no one plays one-on-five and wins a ring. it doesn’t happen. learn something about hoops before you come at me.

          • Zach

            LOL, we both know I’ve learned more about hoops than you’ll ever come close to understanding. You give me some total craziness about Duncan only having 4.5 rings? If that’s the case we need to look at what Kobe has earned as well…and clearly at least two of his rings are hollow.

          • vdogg

            in your biased opinion? means NOTHING.

          • Zach

            Yet you keep responding because you value my opinion so much. Or are you just dumb?

          • Chrmngblly

            At this point in his career, it would serve him to wait for the game to come to him a little more.

      • ghost

        Kobe was clearly better? How so? Because he scores more points? ROFL, kobe never took over the league, at least no more than few other players that time. It’s a myth from Bryant fans.
        Lakers won titles when Shaq entered his prime, Jackson came and whole team concept start working (and Kobe stopped shooting airballs in most imporant season moments). Kobe wasn’t even best players on his own team when Tim already got 4 MVPs.
        Counting First team selections means almost nothing, especially when you compare players from different positions and more Kobe’s
        first defensive only proves how unreliable are that awards (There are light years difference between Duncan and Kobe defense).

        • vdogg

          tim has 4 MVP? what the hell are you talking about??

          • ghost

            He got in 2003 already 2 MVPs in RS, 2 in finals.

          • vdogg

            ok. sfw? nash has more MVPs than shaq.

          • ghost

            No he’s not. Nash 2, Shaq combined 4. And Shaq got much better career overall.

  • Paytc

    There is no comparison outside of the number of championship rings.

    Comparing Duncan to Kobe is like comparing Bill Russell to Jordan. First off they play different positions. Next, when we get 10 years from now Duncan’s name will be like Russell’s name.

    Bill Russell’s name hardly comes up as the greatest. You can bet Duncan’s name will be further down the list than Russell’s.

    But we all know despite the hate, and all Kobe has went thru to build his legacy…. Kobe will go down as one of the greatest.

    We will look back and see why the CP3 trade was not allowed. We will see why as great a career Kobe has had ,and all he has done for the NBA,Nike,the Lakers,the fans world-wide,Kobe brand,etc… why he only got one league MVP.

    That to me will be a black-eye the NBA will never be able to cover up.

    Kobe Bryant was by far the best player during his era. It’s not even close !

    Shame on the NBA for awarding players who have done less for the game as many or more league MVP’s during Kobe’s brilliant career as Kobe.

    But that is why I like Kobe, because despite it all he found a away to “Win anyway”
    Kobe captured my “Winanyway” award.

    I don’t want to take anything away from Duncan because he has had a brilliant NBA career. I’m sure it’s an honor to Tim Duncan to even be mentioned in the same sentence with one of the all time greats. That tells us enough about how good a career Tim Duncan has had.

    That is my opinion. Many will agree, and some will disagree. I can accept that because everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

    Go Kobe ! Go Lakers !

    • Zach

      Kobe was a top 25 player of his era, but not higher. Only one MVP hurts his legacy, plus the fact he went 34-48 the one year he didn’t have an all-star team surrounding him. Let’s not forger the 6 for 24 choke either. He’s very lucky to even have one MVP.

      • vdogg

        kobe is hands down the best player of his era. he was the best player in the league for several years, something duncan never was… MVPs are nice, but would anyone put nash ahead of shaq in the pantheon of all time greats? NO. and kobe has 5 rings. game over.

        • Paytc

          vdogg,

          You have to ignore haters. We all know what’s up.
          We don’t have to hate on other players to stoop down to the hate level.

          Tim Duncan has had a brilliant and successful career.
          Kobe has had a brilliant and successful career.

          We all know who people will be talking about 20 years from now.

          Go Kobe ! Go Lakers !

          • Zach

            Duncan. He’ll be known as the face of his franchise and a class act–and very well might have six rings. Kobe will be talked about in ‘OJ-type’ convos, he’s a rapist. Plus he’s not even a top 10 Laker…

          • vdogg

            duncan may as well have six? LOL. he doesn’t he has 4.5. try and keep up.

          • Zach

            He’s still ahead of Kobe, get out your abacus. Kobe only has one. Refs gave him 2010 and Shaq the others. 4.5 > 1.

        • Zach

          You make no sense. Fisher has five rings, and Horry has 7. Guess I should say Horr is the best ever, game over? LOL. Look at the facts for a moment: Kobe was clearly a sidekick to Shaq, who won the finals MVP each year they won the title together. So therefore Shaq is better than Kobe without a doubt–unless maybe you want to tell me Pippen was better than Jordan? Kobe wasn’t even the best player on his team, and thus cannot be the best player of his era. Pretty obvious.

          • vdogg

            “i told kobe he’s the best player in the world. i’m being serious.”

            - shaq, in 2001 after kobe dropped 45 on timmy’s spurs in game 1 of the lakers eventual sweep of the higher seeded spurs

          • vdogg

            if i make no sense, you can’t fog a mirror. HA!

          • Zach

            I could be dead and rotting and still out-debate you. But of course, you have the hard part here–defending a rapist with only one MVP to his name. Trying to say he’s a great guy and the GOAT. Good luck with that! LOL…

          • vdogg

            go back to primary school, zach. i’m ripping you a new one over and over and you’re stuck in denial. MORON!

      • Kishan

        MVP defines nothing! coz MVP is awarded to how well ur team finishes in the standings…. Kobe was averaging 35.6 and 30.1 but he still got nothing why coz his team finished 8th seed… but if his team finished top seed he would easily got it … so MVP u can’t really say it defines a players… kobe had 1 mvp between 2000-2010 but he was overall the best player in those years combined

        • Zach

          Simple question for you to ponder: If you were the Most VALUABLE Player in the entire league, why would your team only finish as the 8th seed? LOL. They wouldn’t!

          • Kishan

            Well it takes more than one player to be a top seed team especially in the east….. Kobe didn’t have a team in those years of 35.6ppg and 30.ppg….. the line up for example was Odam, Bryant, smash parker,mihm, kwame brown …. now you tell me if that team could get to the top….. u need more than one player….. and if kobe did he clearly would mind u his numbers wouldn’t be as high but kobe was clearly the best player in those periods…. in 2008 he finally got a 2nd star of Pau Gasol which got him the MVP
            so MVP doesnt mean everything mate!

  • Mitch Igbo

    I bet you Kobe would tell you how boring the Spurs are off camera

  • Mitch Igbo

    that 5-5 stuff is for the birds…

  • mohammed

    well said .. 2 bball legends

  • Zach

    The Big Fundamental >>>>>>> Rape Boy

    • mohammed

      stfu troll

      • Zach

        Another Kobe fan-girl who doesn’t like the truth to come out. Mohammed has a crush on Kobrick, guarantee it.

    • Chrmngblly

      I think you are jealous of the girl….

    • Kishan

      bro thats not even a cool thing to say… respect the two legends

  • Eman94

    Both are great hall of fame type players that will forever be remembered for their respective franchises. I don’t know how people on this comment section starting comparing the two when they both play different positions, it’s like comparing a car to a boat.

  • Duckathon

    Enjoy these 2 legends while they’re still here.

  • Kishan

    i might just say Duncan has had the better career, but kobe is the better player but all in all both great players and legends of the game

  • Zach

    Kobe never learned the fundamentals that Duncan is nicknamed for. Hence all the double-teamed, off-balance 20-footers. Sadly, Nick Young is more of an offensive threat these days than Bryant.

    • vdogg

      learn something about the game.

      THEN post.

      • Zach

        …said the guy who didn’t even know the Lakers came from Minneapolis, LOL! Dude, if knowledge were required to post in here we’d never hear a peep from you. We both know I own you on the hoops knowledge front.

        • vdogg

          i think you have me confused with someone else. when did i not know about minneapolis? you need to work your way UP to dumb, pal. but i have to admit, it’s fun to continue to humiliate you on these boards. troll on.

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