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#1 Chito

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 11:45 AM

By Daniel Buerge
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Mike Brown Considering Resting Lakers Starters in Season Finale


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When the Clippers lost on Tuesday night the Lakers clinched the third seed in the Western Conference post-season standings. It also made tonight’s game against the Sacramento Kings irrelevant.

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Since the Lakers are locked into their playoff position, head coach Mike Brown is considering resting most of his starters to make sure they’re prepared for the post-season – which begins this Sunday.

According to Dave McMenamin of ESPN Los Angeles, Brown is contemplating resting his starters, besides Kobe Bryant, when the team visits Sacramento on Thursday night.

“We’ll probably rest guys, but it won’t just be me saying, ‘Hey, I’m going to sit you down,’ ” Lakers coach Mike Brown said after practice on Wednesday. “I give guys some ownership in this.”

Brown has been criticized throughout the season for over-playing some of his starters, and the heavy minutes they’ve logged could be problematic once the playoffs begin.

The main goal of Thursday’s game is for the Lakers, who are already beaten up, to be as healthy as possible heading into the playoffs. Metta World Peace will already be sitting the game out due to a suspension, while Matt Barnes and Devin Ebanks will also be resting minor injuries.

This leaves Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum, two main contributors on both ends of the floor. So far this season both have managed to avoid serious injury, but have played a lot of minutes. If given the opportunity, both should take the opportunity to get a little extra rest heading into the playoffs.

One player who most certainly won’t be resting is Bryant, who is gunning for his third NBA scoring title.

“I’m not on vacation,” Bryant said. “If I’m healthy, I play.”

Typical Kobe.

The Lakers will finish the regular season Thursday night against the Sacramento Kings. The game starts at 7:30.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 12:36 PM

There will be a hostile take over coup of the head coach position tonight if KObe doesn't play and score at least 38 points.  Kobe will appoint himself the new head coach and send Mike Brown into exile.  :lmao:
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 12:58 PM

You can say it’s selfish (which you will because everybody on here are Kobebashers) but I think it would be a nice accomplishment Kobe winning the scoring title at age 33 and in his 16th NBA season. Nobody has ever accomplished this feat after these many seasons in the league and only MJ was older when winning a scoring title.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 01:03 PM

View PostNanizm, on 26 April 2012 - 12:58 PM, said:

You can say it’s selfish (which you will because everybody on here are Kobebashers) but I think it would be a nice accomplishment Kobe winning the scoring title at age 33 and in his 16th NBA season. Nobody has ever accomplished this feat after these many seasons in the league and only MJ was older when winning a scoring title.
Just a little humor.  I actually would like to see him go for the scoring title tonight.
That being said, I hear that he will not play as reported on Lakers.com.
Perhaps Kobe is turning a new leaf.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 01:34 PM

Though it would've been nice to see Kobe grab the scoring title, I think it's a much smarter (safer) decision on Kobe's part to not pursue it and rest for a much more important cause, which is to be fresh and ready for the first round of the playoffs this Sunday. He even said it himself on yesterdays interview that he didn't really care much for the scoring title, so his decision to not play todays game comes to no surprise to me. Also smart decision on Mike Brown's part on resting his starters and whoever else feels like resting. This is a meaningless game, let the Lakers have fun out there even if they lose. Sunday's game is where we will need them all ready and healthy. Let's Go Lakers!

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 02:35 PM

View PostNanizm, on 26 April 2012 - 12:58 PM, said:

You can say it’s selfish (which you will because everybody on here are Kobebashers) but I think it would be a nice accomplishment Kobe winning the scoring title at age 33 and in his 16th NBA season. Nobody has ever accomplished this feat after these many seasons in the league and only MJ was older when winning a scoring title.
As I've mentioned before, most of us here are Kobe's fans as well.  We root for him to do well and get all the recognition, awards, accolades that he could possibly get.
But he does not get a free pass just because he's Kobe.  He would get bashed only if it's deserved.  I don't know why that would be an issue if you're really a Lakers fan.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 05:20 PM

View PostNanizm, on 26 April 2012 - 12:58 PM, said:

You can say it’s selfish (which you will because everybody on here are Kobebashers) but I think it would be a nice accomplishment Kobe winning the scoring title at age 33 and in his 16th NBA season. Nobody has ever accomplished this feat after these many seasons in the league and only MJ was older when winning a scoring title.

do you ever stick with one story instead of flip flopping.  first, kobe doesn't care about stats, only winning, which is complete nonsense cause everybody from kobe bryant down to christian eyenga cares about their stats and should care about their stats if they have any pride in their game.

now your saying it would be a nice accomplishment giving him an excuse to play a meaningless game instead of resting his old legs.   :think:

which is it?  you're so adamant about saying kobe doesn't care about his stats and only winning right?

any rationale person will realize that he cares A LOT about winning and his stats.  how is it you're only realizing this when it's the last game of the year and he's trying to chase the scoring title?

apparently he decided he's not going to play tonight and you'll probably say "see i told you he doesn't care about his stats".  but too late.  you made those flip flopping comments when you thought he would be playing.  and the real reason he's not playing is not because he doesn't care about the scoring title but because he most likely won't be able to catch durant and needs the rest.
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 06:15 AM

View PostHayter, on 26 April 2012 - 05:20 PM, said:

do you ever stick with one story instead of flip flopping.  first, kobe doesn't care about stats, only winning, which is complete nonsense cause everybody from kobe bryant down to christian eyenga cares about their stats and should care about their stats if they have any pride in their game.

now your saying it would be a nice accomplishment giving him an excuse to play a meaningless game instead of resting his old legs.   :think:

which is it?  you're so adamant about saying kobe doesn't care about his stats and only winning right?

any rationale person will realize that he cares A LOT about winning and his stats.  how is it you're only realizing this when it's the last game of the year and he's trying to chase the scoring title?

apparently he decided he's not going to play tonight and you'll probably say "see i told you he doesn't care about his stats".  but too late.  you made those flip flopping comments when you thought he would be playing.  and the real reason he's not playing is not because he doesn't care about the scoring title but because he most likely won't be able to catch durant and needs the rest.
I don’t flip flop. If I ever change my opinion on something it’s because something has changed to make my position change.

Anyway, you got issues man. You always want to take some other or additional meaning from my posts when they are usually just plain straightforward.

All I said is that I, again -> I <-, would like Kobe to play to get the scoring title. I didn’t mention anything about what Kobe thought or wanted. Unlike your ability to read minds, I don’t know what is in these player’s head.

He would have been the 2nd oldest and player with the longest tenure to get the scoring title. It just would have been a nice accomplishment to add to his already illustrious career of accomplishments.

And as far as Kobe “not likely” to catch Durant. Are you kidding me? He needed 38 measly points. He could score that in his sleep. If he wanted the scoring title this year, he would have gotten it.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 06:44 AM

View PostNanizm, on 27 April 2012 - 06:15 AM, said:


And as far as Kobe “not likely” to catch Durant. Are you kidding me? He needed 38 measly points. He could score that in his sleep. If he wanted the scoring title this year, he would have gotten it.

really?  it's so easy that's he's only done that twice in his last 44 games? i'm pretty sure he's been awake for all those games.  

and he did want the scoring title.  who doesn't want it?  but he didn't get it.  and it would have been selfish for him to play a meaningless game and watch him chuck up shot after shot while completely ignoring his teammates.  he made the right decision by not playing even though you would have been  :jerkoff: watching him try.
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 07:23 AM

View PostHayter, on 27 April 2012 - 06:44 AM, said:

really?  it's so easy that's he's only done that twice in his last 44 games? i'm pretty sure he's been awake for all those games.  

and he did want the scoring title.  who doesn't want it?  but he didn't get it.  and it would have been selfish for him to play a meaningless game and watch him chuck up shot after shot while completely ignoring his teammates.  he made the right decision by not playing even though you would have been  :jerkoff: watching him try.
Funny how you decided to stop at 44 games. He’s played in 58 games this season but you mention just 44 games? There is no good reason to stop there.

If you say how many times has he scored 38 or more this season you could have mentioned that its been 7 times.

Just for comparison purposes, a young and in his prime Kevin Durant has done it just 5 times (38 or more) this season.

Kobe scored 38 or more 5 times in January alone; 5 of those times were within a stretch of 6 games over 9 days.

Considering all this along with his current 28 ppg average, 5th all time NBA scorer, 2x scoring champion, to say Kobe would have easily scored 38 is pretty reasonable.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 07:58 AM

View PostNanizm, on 27 April 2012 - 07:23 AM, said:

Funny how you decided to stop at 44 games. He’s played in 58 games this season but you mention just 44 games? There is no good reason to stop there.

If you say how many times has he scored 38 or more this season you could have mentioned that its been 7 times.


i stopped at 44 cause he had a red hot first month.  since then, he's fell off drastically.  i thought the old kobe was back after the first month but since then, it's the kobe from last  year who looks like he's lost a step and shooting touch.  

and why has he not been able to keep up what he did in the first month?   :shrug:

this isn't the first month of the season.  he's more likely to do what he's been doing the last month than what he did the first month of the season.

if it's so reasonable, take a guess and tell me how many times you think he'll do it in the playoffs since it's so REASONABLE?  

View PostNanizm, on 27 April 2012 - 07:23 AM, said:

Just for comparison purposes, a young and in his prime Kevin Durant has done it just 5 times (38 or more) this season.

when was this a comparison between kobe in his prime?  unfortunately, kobe isn't in his prime but you tend to think he still is.
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 08:59 AM

View PostNanizm, on 27 April 2012 - 07:23 AM, said:

Funny how you decided to stop at 44 games. He’s played in 58 games this season but you mention just 44 games? There is no good reason to stop there.


lets analyze the last 2 times, out of 44 games, that he scored at least 38.  the first one was against the mighty sacramento kings and the other was against the powerful golden state warriors who are known for their tenacious defense.   :think:

I'll give him that first month cause he was on fire that month.  since then, what happened?  i mean, 38 is so easy that he can do it in his sleep right?
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just change the coach!!! and the team will win a championship this season and next - kenjam89mb

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If kobe's shooting is our biggest concern going into the playoffs, we will be fine!!! he'll snap out of it! - angrykobefan

“It’s definitely going to be fun for me because I just get to catch and shoot.” - Kobe Bryant

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 10:05 AM

View PostNanizm, on 27 April 2012 - 07:23 AM, said:

Just for comparison purposes, a young and in his prime Kevin Durant has done it just 5 times (38 or more) this season.

since 98% of the stuff you write is complete nonsense, how about we analyze what you just wrote here.

KD has shot the ball 25 or more times in a game 9 times this year.  kobe has shot 25 or more in 21 games.  KD has russell westbrook then james harden as teammates versus bynum and gasol.  

kd is shooting 49.6% this year.  kobe is shooting 43% this year.  kd got the scoring title while shooting less but was significantly more efficient.  

kobe has never shot 49.6% in his 17 years. durant also averages 8 rebs per game to kobe's 4.7.  

come on mann.  stop it already!!!!
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“Anybody who counts us out is challenged,” Bryant said. “They’re mentally challenged. - Kobe Bryant

If kobe's shooting is our biggest concern going into the playoffs, we will be fine!!! he'll snap out of it! - angrykobefan

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 02:35 PM

View PostHayter, on 27 April 2012 - 10:05 AM, said:

since 98% of the stuff you write is complete nonsense, how about we analyze what you just wrote here.

KD has shot the ball 25 or more times in a game 9 times this year.  kobe has shot 25 or more in 21 games.  KD has russell westbrook then james harden as teammates versus bynum and gasol.  

kd is shooting 49.6% this year.  kobe is shooting 43% this year.  kd got the scoring title while shooting less but was significantly more efficient.  

kobe has never shot 49.6% in his 17 years. durant also averages 8 rebs per game to kobe's 4.7.  

come on mann.  stop it already!!!!
You see what I mean that you have issues. Are you trying to start another argument that Im not making?

I said getting 38 points for Kobe is easy for him. I showed you that he has hit that 7 times this year and 5 times within a stretch of 6 games in 9 days. Kobe averages 28 a game. That is my support to back what I am saying about Kobe getting 38 easy. The statement really should stand alone as we all know Kobe is a prolific scorer, even now at 33 years old.

I merely brought up the fact that Kevin Durant only scored 38 or more this year 5 times so that people – not you because you know everything -  can see how Kobe stacks up and what the accomplishment meant.

I wasn’t trying to make a Kobe v. Durant argument.

But since you want to throw numbers out there and make a comparison of the 2 players keep a mind a few things:

Durant plays forward, Kobe plays guard. One players closer to the basket than the other. What does that mean? More rebounds and should shoot a higher percentage.

Durant is 3 inches taller than Kobe and a much longer wingspan. What does that mean? Can get his shot off more easily from the perimeter. Gets his shots off easier in the paint and pretty much in any other position on the floor than a 6-6 guy.

Kobe takes a lot more shots from the outside than Durant. Therefore, they are lower percentage shots.

Durant is 23. Kobe is 33.

Durant has played 5 years in the league. Kobe has played 16 (more if you include all the playoff games)

Durant has never, and will never be the all around player that Kobe was during his prime. Kobe was a 1st team defender.

Durant will never posses the ball handling skills that Kobe had.

Durant will never have the footwork that Kobe had or even has now.

Durant will never have the post game that Kobe has or had. Despite Durant have all of the physical tools to make him a better post player.

We have to wait and see what kind of a clutch/big game performer that Durant will be. 2 years ago I saw Artest lock him down completely and he had to leave it up to Westbrook to bail him out.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 03:35 PM

Have you won 1 single argument in your life?  You keep spewing out irrelevant stats but you don’t look at the overall picture.  

So you’re saying that because he’s taller and longer that his stats mean less.  Get out of here with your retarded and illogical way of thinking.  So should they put an asterisk on his scoring title now cause he’s longer than everyone else?  

You say some of the most retarded things in the history of message boards.  

And you say kobe takes a lot more outside shots so they are lower percentage shots?  OH REALLY?  Where did you come up with this stat or is it something you made up again?  Do you have all of their shot charts?  

FYI kobe shot 287 3pt shots this year.  KD shot 344 3 pt shots this here.  You still think kobe shoots more outside shots than KD?  Kobe shot 30.3% from 3pt land.  KD shot 38.7%.  that’s a whopping 8.4% higher while shooting 57 more 3’s.  

i'm definitely not saying kd has a better career than kobe cause at one time kobe was the man.  but if you could trade kobe for KD, right now, and you didn't do it, you'd be a effin fool.  

I said your wrong 98% of the time.  Here is the 2% that you are right.  KD does not have the footwork or ball handling skills as kobe.   But that’s irrelevant.   He makes it for it by shooting a better fg% and getting more rebounds and blocking more shots.   Don’t give me that crap about kobe playing defense.  He gets it every year cause his name is kobe Bryant.  And you’re forgetting another big stat, wins / losses.  

Are you talking about 2 years ago when it was their first time in the playoffs?  Really?  How did kobe did his first time in the playoffs?   Didn’t he airball twice in the clutch against Utah?

And remember when you said you hate it when you’re right.  I have yet to see that happen.  What happened to ramon sessions?  Last night stu questioned how his production went down after the veterans asked him to slow down the ball.  What did I say?  I said it doesn’t matter who they get cause the balls going to go to kobe and everybody is going to clear out.  How is any pg gonna make a team better when that is your offense?  I guess that I won that on, eh?

And since you like to draw conclusions from small samples, I got one here for you.   When kobe sat out from being injured, they went 5 -2 which is 71.4%.  their current win % is 62.1%.  hmmm.  Should I be like you and draw an absolute conclusion from this stat?  cause technically, you lost this argument too.  When he was out, more players were involved, ball moved and they were playing team ball.  But I guess that’s why you were nowhere around here during that time.  

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Kobe occasionally has bad shooting nights. - Nanizm

just change the coach!!! and the team will win a championship this season and next - kenjam89mb

“Anybody who counts us out is challenged,” Bryant said. “They’re mentally challenged. - Kobe Bryant

If kobe's shooting is our biggest concern going into the playoffs, we will be fine!!! he'll snap out of it! - angrykobefan

“It’s definitely going to be fun for me because I just get to catch and shoot.” - Kobe Bryant

-And If you don't think KOBE won't light it up in the GOLD MEDAL game you don't know KOBE. - lordoftherings.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 10:05 AM

View PostHayter, on 27 April 2012 - 03:35 PM, said:

Have you won 1 single argument in your life?  You keep spewing out irrelevant stats but you don’t look at the overall picture.  

So you’re saying that because he’s taller and longer that his stats mean less.  Get out of here with your retarded and illogical way of thinking.  So should they put an asterisk on his scoring title now cause he’s longer than everyone else?  

You say some of the most retarded things in the history of message boards.  

And you say kobe takes a lot more outside shots so they are lower percentage shots?  OH REALLY?  Where did you come up with this stat or is it something you made up again?  Do you have all of their shot charts?  

FYI kobe shot 287 3pt shots this year.  KD shot 344 3 pt shots this here.  You still think kobe shoots more outside shots than KD?  Kobe shot 30.3% from 3pt land.  KD shot 38.7%.  that’s a whopping 8.4% higher while shooting 57 more 3’s.  

i'm definitely not saying kd has a better career than kobe cause at one time kobe was the man.  but if you could trade kobe for KD, right now, and you didn't do it, you'd be a effin fool.  

I said your wrong 98% of the time.  Here is the 2% that you are right.  KD does not have the footwork or ball handling skills as kobe.   But that’s irrelevant.   He makes it for it by shooting a better fg% and getting more rebounds and blocking more shots.   Don’t give me that crap about kobe playing defense.  He gets it every year cause his name is kobe Bryant.  And you’re forgetting another big stat, wins / losses.  

Are you talking about 2 years ago when it was their first time in the playoffs?  Really?  How did kobe did his first time in the playoffs?   Didn’t he airball twice in the clutch against Utah?

And remember when you said you hate it when you’re right.  I have yet to see that happen.  What happened to ramon sessions?  Last night stu questioned how his production went down after the veterans asked him to slow down the ball.  What did I say?  I said it doesn’t matter who they get cause the balls going to go to kobe and everybody is going to clear out.  How is any pg gonna make a team better when that is your offense?  I guess that I won that on, eh?

And since you like to draw conclusions from small samples, I got one here for you.   When kobe sat out from being injured, they went 5 -2 which is 71.4%.  their current win % is 62.1%.  hmmm.  Should I be like you and draw an absolute conclusion from this stat?  cause technically, you lost this argument too.  When he was out, more players were involved, ball moved and they were playing team ball.  But I guess that’s why you were nowhere around here during that time.  

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This is why I try to stay away from this site because of the arguing I do with either arguing about stuff that we are not in disagreement about or having arguments about basic reasoning and logic. I really want to start a community college fund to help you comprehend better.

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As far as me mentioning that Durant is longer and taller was just to point out the advantages that Durant has over Kobe. That doesn’t mean that his stats mean less, it means that his production and efficiency in terms of shooting and rebounding come by easier than Kobe.

With Durant’s wingspan he is basically a 7 footer. His release point on his shot is ½ a foot higher than Kobe. Therefore, its harder for guys to affect his shot. That goes for shots he takes anywhere on the court as well compared to Kobe.

Durant plays forward and is both taller and longer. He should get more rebounds than Kobe and any other 2 guard in the league.

That doesn’t take away from what Durant is doing. He’s a freak with his combination of his length, size, skill set and athleticism. Its why he is a prolific scorer and potentially one of the greats; that’s yet to be seen. He could end up being just a great scorer like a McGrady or Vince Carter but never one of the elites like a Kobe, Magic, Bird, etc. We’ll see.

You of course mention total 3 point shots taken so that you can make it seem as if Durant takes so many more 3s than Kobe. You conveniently forget to mention that Durant played in 8 more games than Kobe (66 games to 58 games).

My statement of Kobe taking more OUTSIDE SHOTS is a fact. Unlike you, I know my shit about the NBA. I don’t post incorrect statements.

Here is the break down on a per game basis:

Kevin Durant:
Shots at the rim: 4.8, 72.2 %
Shots 3 to 9 feet: 2.1, 45.3 %
Shots 10-15 feet: 2.9, 39.5 %
Shots 16-23 feet: 4.7, 46.0 %
Shots from 3s: 5.2, 38.7 %

Kobe Bryant:
Shots at the rim: 3.5, 43.0 %
Shots 3 to 9 feet: 3.0, 42.6 %
Shots 10-15 feet: 3.8, 42.1 %
Shots 16-23 feet: 7.7, 41.0 %
Shots from 3s: 4.9, 30.3

(courtesy of Hoopsdata.com)

As you can see Kobe takes 16.4 shots per game from 10 feet +, Durant 12.8 per game.
All shots outside of layups/dunks its Kobe 19.4 and Durant 14.9.

So my statement that Kobe takes more outside shots is absolutely factual.

So if you’re not saying that Durant has had or will ever have as good as a career as Kobe what the hell are you arguing about? Im not saying Kobe is better than Durant now. Durant is 23 and reaching his prime. Kobe is 33, has 16 years in the league and past his prime. Despite that, Kobe is right there at the age of 33 and this is pretty damn impressive.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 11:00 AM

Thank you for proving my point once again.   The more you give your opinion, the more you look like a fool and keep digging yourself into a bigger hole.

Look at the stats you just posted.  Durant shoots a higher % from each category with the exception of 10-15 feet.  You said kobe shoots a lesser % because he shoots more outside shots.  Well lets break down his shot chart.  Durant shoots a higher % from the rim, 3-9 ft, 16-23 ft, and from 3pt land.  YOU LOSE THIS ARGUMENT AGAIN.

But somehow, with your illogical way of thinking, you’ll probably disagree.

That data that YOU provided does not prove who takes more shots from the outside but that’s irrelevant because more importantly, it breaks down the fg % from each area on the court.  THAT’S WHAT’S IMPORTANT.  

You say kobe shoots less % because he shoots more outside shots.  Well if we compare fg% from each area on the court, you couldn’t be more wrong.  

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING TO DISPROVE THIS FACT?

And stop making excuses for kobe.  That’s just horse crap when idiots say stuff like, it’s easier because he’s taller and no one can block him.  He should be getting more rebounds, etc.  Too effin bad.  Go join the ymca coed league if you think that’s unfair.   What do you want the nba to do, have a different leagues for all players over 7 ft, all players between 6’8 – 6 –11’, etc.  

The reason you stay away from this site is because I don’t let you get away with the nonsense that you spew and expose your ignorance.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 02:51 PM

View PostHayter, on 28 April 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

Thank you for proving my point once again.   The more you give your opinion, the more you look like a fool and keep digging yourself into a bigger hole.

Look at the stats you just posted.  Durant shoots a higher % from each category with the exception of 10-15 feet.  You said kobe shoots a lesser % because he shoots more outside shots.  Well lets break down his shot chart.  Durant shoots a higher % from the rim, 3-9 ft, 16-23 ft, and from 3pt land.  YOU LOSE THIS ARGUMENT AGAIN.

But somehow, with your illogical way of thinking, you’ll probably disagree.

That data that YOU provided does not prove who takes more shots from the outside but that’s irrelevant because more importantly, it breaks down the fg % from each area on the court.  THAT’S WHAT’S IMPORTANT.  

You say kobe shoots less % because he shoots more outside shots.  Well if we compare fg% from each area on the court, you couldn’t be more wrong.  

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING TO DISPROVE THIS FACT?

And stop making excuses for kobe.  That’s just horse crap when idiots say stuff like, it’s easier because he’s taller and no one can block him.  He should be getting more rebounds, etc.  Too effin bad.  Go join the ymca coed league if you think that’s unfair.   What do you want the nba to do, have a different leagues for all players over 7 ft, all players between 6’8 – 6 –11’, etc.  

The reason you stay away from this site is because I don’t let you get away with the nonsense that you spew and expose your ignorance.
Do you notice the context of my post? Do you even realize that I am not necessarily disagreeing with you?

If you notice I posted “keep a few things in mind” and that “I wasn’t trying to make a Kobe v. Durant argument”

I just posted things to consider if -> YOU <- are going to compare the two players:

Advantages of Durant:

Durant is 3 inches taller but also has the wingspan that makes him essentially a 7 footer.
His high release makes his jumpshot and shots around the rim easier than Kobe
Durant plays forward which is closer to the basket
Durant is 23 which is 10 years younger than Kobe
Durant has played 5 years in the league. Kobe has played 16 long years.

If you are going to start throwing efficiency and rebounding out there when comparing these 2 players who play different positions its only fair that these points are brought up. Otherwise, you can say things like Dwight Howard is a better rebounder, shot blocker and more efficient than Kobe. Of course he is he plays center and is 6’10 and has 60 lbs on Kobe. You are comparing 2 different type of players so those points are important.

Durant is a more efficient scorer than Kobe is now, and likely what he was over his career. I cant argue that. I was pointing out the advantages of Durant if you want to compare the 2 players.

All of my statements were factual. I posted that Kobe takes more outside shots which are lower percentage shots. That is a fact based on the data I provided.

Still, Durant is not the player Kobe was and isn’t anywhere close. Kobe’s all around game far exceeds what Durant can do on the court. Durant will never be the player that Kobe was, I can safety state that even now in only his 5th year. Great scorer but so were McGrady, Vince Carter, Steve Francis, Stephan Marbury. That’s the category that we’ll probably have to place Durant.

What’s your argument? That Durant is better than Kobe now? That Durant is going to be a better player than Kobe in his career? That Durant is already a surpassed Kobe as a player in his career?

I think we agree on all of these arguments so what are you harping about?

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 09:13 AM

View PostNanizm, on 28 April 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:


All of my statements were factual. I posted that Kobe takes more outside shots which are lower percentage shots. That is a fact based on the data I provided.


FAIL....  

can you just admit how wrong you are here to save yourself from further embarrassment?

how are you going to spin it to where you don't look 100% wrong.  :think:
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Kobe occasionally has bad shooting nights. - Nanizm

just change the coach!!! and the team will win a championship this season and next - kenjam89mb

“Anybody who counts us out is challenged,” Bryant said. “They’re mentally challenged. - Kobe Bryant

If kobe's shooting is our biggest concern going into the playoffs, we will be fine!!! he'll snap out of it! - angrykobefan

“It’s definitely going to be fun for me because I just get to catch and shoot.” - Kobe Bryant

-And If you don't think KOBE won't light it up in the GOLD MEDAL game you don't know KOBE. - lordoftherings.

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 11:08 AM

View PostHayter, on 03 May 2012 - 09:13 AM, said:

FAIL....  

can you just admit how wrong you are here to save yourself from further embarrassment?

how are you going to spin it to where you don't look 100% wrong.  :think:
Point out a part  from anything that I posted that was inaccurate. You wont find it because I didn’t state anything inaccurate. What you do is infer other meanings to what I post. All of my statements (not opinions), on their face, are completely accurate and backed by empirical evidence. It can not be disputed.

Anyway, why did you decide to start this particular argument? It wasn’t a Durant v. Kobe one that you dragged me into. It was because you had an issue with me saying that Kobe would have easily gotten 38 points in the final game to win the scoring title. Is that really a statement that is so outrageous that you had to respond to it?

Kobe is the 5th on the all time scoring list in NBA history and will likely finish 3rd.
Kobe averaged 28 per game this year.
Kobe scored at least 38 points 7 times this year and close to that amount many more times.
Kobe is a scoring machine.
When Kobe wants something, he goes after it like you stole it from him.

So knowing all this was it really a stretch for someone to say he would have easily gotten 38 against the defensively deficient Kings? So far fetched of a statement that it required you to crawl out of your hermit hole, log on to you computer, steal your neighbors WiFi signal and post your outrage? The answer is no. Anybody that is a fan of the Lakers, Kobe and basketball would not have thought anything of that comment. They would have agreed. Not you.

Pick and choose your battles. Not for me but for the sake of the children. The children man!




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