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[kenjam89mb]

Hayter, on 30 March 2012 - 08:18 AM, said:

i want to know how mike brown led the cavs to the best record in the nba two times in a row with lesser talent.  how can such a horrible coach do that?

where is the cavs? is the cavs is in the east? hahaha
the lakers is in the west and all the team in the west has more winning than the east...

im just thinking... when mike brown led the cavs do they get a championship? i think no... and why the cavs fired mike brown? do mike brown know how to play offense? when the lakers make a back to back champion do they focus only in defense? that mike brown use know...

are you cavs? this is laker site not a cavs site... go with dan gilbert

[Hayter]

kenjam89mb, on 30 March 2012 - 08:27 AM, said:

where is the cavs? is the cavs is in the east? hahaha
the lakers is in the west and all the team in the west has more winning than the east...

im just thinking... when mike brown led the cavs do they get a championship? i think no... and why the cavs fired mike brown? do mike brown know how to play offense? when the lakers make a back to back champion do they focus only in defense? that mike brown use know...

are you cavs? this is laker site not a cavs site... go with dan gilbert

wow, your subject / verb agreement is off the charts on this one.

[kenjam89mb]

no its not...

just read it...

and i just reply to what are you saying...

and the point is MIKE BROWN IS DUMB COACH

thats what it is

[EvenSteven]

Nanizm, on 30 March 2012 - 07:20 AM, said:

This will be Mike Brown’s last season as coach.

The player’s don’t respect him or believe in what he is doing.
The Kobe benching.
Bynum acting out. The players only meeting early in the season had a lot to do with the issues that the players had with his coaching style and strategy on the court.

http://espn.go.com/l...rs-only-meeting

All signs they don’t respect the coach or believe in what he is preaching.

You can say what you want about the performance on the court by the players, but if those players don’t believe or respect the guy that is supposed to lead them then that is by far the biggest issue.

With all the changes that the Lakers went through, yet the team is the third seed in the West and you want to get rid of the coach after one year?  Remember this people, Phil Jackson wrote in his book that Kobe is uncoachable, and if he could not coach Kobe then who could?  If the superstar on the team refuses to be coached then would anybody be surprised that an immature schmuck such as Bynum is lashing out?
Look Kobe no question has diverted from the game plan on several occasions this year, probably causing the Lakers at least 4 additional losses, and yet they are still the third seed.  I know Kobe is fcking Kobe, god almighty in some folks' eye and could do no wrong.  But fck it, if I were the GM and I've got Bynum and Gasol, I'd thank him for all he's done, and try to trade this uncoachable cat and his $25 million salary for somebody younger and good in the off-season.

[Nanizm]

EvenSteven, on 30 March 2012 - 09:05 AM, said:

With all the changes that the Lakers went through, yet the team is the third seed in the West and you want to get rid of the coach after one year?  Remember this people, Phil Jackson wrote in his book that Kobe is uncoachable, and if he could not coach Kobe then who could?  If the superstar on the team refuses to be coached then would anybody be surprised that an immature schmuck such as Bynum is lashing out?
Look Kobe no question has diverted from the game plan on several occasions this year, probably causing the Lakers at least 4 additional losses, and yet they are still the third seed.  I know Kobe is fcking Kobe, god almighty in some folks' eye and could do no wrong.  But fck it, if I were the GM and I've got Bynum and Gasol, I'd thank him for all he's done, and try to trade this uncoachable cat and his $25 million salary for somebody younger and good in the off-season.

I am not necessarily stating that Mike Brown should be fired after this season because he has time to turn it around.  I’m predicting that will happen based on what I have seen thus far.

I believe if the team has lost respect for the coach and have tuned him out then that is a cause for getting fired.

As far as Phil stating that Kobe was uncoachable, he did a pretty good job of harnessing the good he brought by winning 5 rings, 2 most recently with him as the centerpiece. So, being uncoachable doesn’t mean that a coach cant make it work and win a championship.

Im not touching that trade Kobe comment.

[Nanizm]

Hayter, on 30 March 2012 - 07:59 AM, said:

isn't pure conjecture (or whatever that means) exactly what you just did?  you speculate that they don't have a problem with it?  yet pau said earlier that they need to be more unselfish.  bynum says there are trust issues.  that means kobe needs to pass and trust his teammates.  what else can that mean?

No its not based on conjecture. None of the players have been quoted as saying that have a problem with Kobe shooting 30 times a game. Therefore, I am stating a fact.

Yes, both Gasol and Bynum have made comments that you can infer they don’t like Kobe taking a ton of shots, but, we really don’t know what they mean by their comments. Do they mean they don’t like him taking only bad shots, shots without them touching the ball first or that they just want the ball more. Maybe all of those. Since they don’t say it outright its just conjecture as to how it relates to Kobe. You are the one connecting the dots buts it quite a few dots.

Hayter, on 30 March 2012 - 07:59 AM, said:

you base it on a players only meeting.  bynum acting out.. and kobe benching.

first of all, what is so bad about a players only meeting?  did you know that they had players only meetings when phil was coaching?  why is it not bad when phil is the coach and only bad when brown is the coach.  second, bynum acting out?  he is a little spoiled brat throwing another tantrum.  dude parks in handicapped spots like he's entitled to the world, slams down jj barrea, throws tantrums every year including the years phil was around and is doing it now...  and last, kobe should be benched more and brown is the only one that showed a little balls.  he shots 28% last night and doesn't know when to stop.  he should be benched more.  imagine how many games they would have done if mike brown benches him more on nights like this...

Its not that they had a players only meeting, its that it was focused on Mike Brown’s coaching. It was reported ( I provided a link from a reputable source in my post) that the issues the players had was with the micromanaging style, length and frequency of practice, rotation and minute distribution. When the Lakers had players only meeting in the Phil days it had to do with personal in team strife, personality clashes and the players coming together to try to turn things around in a bad stretch. Never was it about Phil or questioning what he was doing.  

If the team doesn’t respect the coach, tuned him out and don’t believe in his system than its not going to work.

Maybe the Lakers buy in and turn it around. Then my opinion will change but as of right now, this is what I see.

http://espn.go.com/l...rs-only-meeting

[Hayter]

Nanizm, on 30 March 2012 - 09:40 AM, said:

No its not based on conjecture. None of the players have been quoted as saying that have a problem with Kobe shooting 30 times a game. Therefore, I am stating a fact.

well none of them stated they like him shooting 30 times a game so it is based on conjecture.  and common sense says they do have a problem with it by pau and bynum's comments.  

you really think these players enjoy having limited touched and scoring opportunities.  you really think that barnes wishes he could shoot 3 times a game instead of 7 times a game? or do you think he wishes he could shoot the ball more?  you think these guys don't care about their #'s?  you think after their contract is up, more teams will want to sign them because   they average 3pts a game and enjoy giving the superstar more shots?  what world are you from?

these guys were THE MAN in high school and in college.  you think they just LOVE when kobe shoots and they don't.  that's nonsensical thinking.  of course every single one of them wishes he shot the ball less and obviously you've never played basketball a day in your life if you disagree or if you enjoy playing with someone who doesn't pass and keeps shooting and shooting and shooting and missing.  it's one think if he makes it all the time but if he's shooting 30 shots and making 28%, i guarantee those players are upset at kobe and not mike brown.  when he's making them, they have no choice but to shut up and take it but if he's missing, no one wants to play with him.

[Chito]

Hayter, on 30 March 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

well none of them stated they like him shooting 30 times a game so it is based on conjecture.  and common sense says they do have a problem with it by pau and bynum's comments.  

you really think these players enjoy having limited touched and scoring opportunities.  you really think that barnes wishes he could shoot 3 times a game instead of 7 times a game? or do you think he wishes he could shoot the ball more?  you think these guys don't care about their #'s?  you think after their contract is up, more teams will want to sign them because   they average 3pts a game and enjoy giving the superstar more shots?  what world are you from?

these guys were THE MAN in high school and in college.  you think they just LOVE when kobe shoots and they don't.  that's nonsensical thinking.  of course every single one of them wishes he shot the ball less and obviously you've never played basketball a day in your life if you disagree or if you enjoy playing with someone who doesn't pass and keeps shooting and shooting and shooting and missing.  it's one think if he makes it all the time but if he's shooting 30 shots and making 28%, i guarantee those players are upset at kobe and not mike brown.  when he's making them, they have no choice but to shut up and take it but if he's missing, no one wants to play with him.

True, plus, you don't necessarily need players to say they don't like Kobe shooting too much. You can see it in their faces and in their body language. Players are too afraid to make comments regarding Kobe shooting too much. If Phil and Mike can barely say anything to Kobe, imagine what would happen if the players started making comments about Kobe. I've heard word "selfish" come from the mouths of Gasol and Bynum when interviewed, but they didn't mention who they were talking about, but it's obvious to us who they meant.

[Hayter]

Chito, on 30 March 2012 - 01:47 PM, said:

True, plus, you don't necessarily need players to say they don't like Kobe shooting too much. You can see it in their faces and in their body language. Players are too afraid to make comments regarding Kobe shooting too much. If Phil and Mike can barely say anything to Kobe, imagine what would happen if the players started making comments about Kobe. I've heard word "selfish" come from the mouths of Gasol and Bynum when interviewed, but they didn't mention who they were talking about, but it's obvious to us who they meant.

and unless your another superstar or close to one (pau & bynum), no one is gonna call out kobe.  that just doesn't happen unless you want to commit career suicide.  imagine ron artest, barnes, ebanks calling kobe out?  there is zero chance of that happening.  

it's just like playing pick up basketball and someone is scoring the majority of points and dominating.  as long as you win and stay on the court, it's great..   but if this dude keeps missing and missing and doesn't pass...  and you lose.... you would be PISSSSED..

[anon62]

kenjam89mb, on 30 March 2012 - 08:27 AM, said:

where is the cavs? is the cavs is in the east? hahaha
the lakers is in the west and all the team in the west has more winning than the east...

im just thinking... when mike brown led the cavs do they get a championship? i think no... and why the cavs fired mike brown? do mike brown know how to play offense? when the lakers make a back to back champion do they focus only in defense? that mike brown use know...

are you cavs? this is laker site not a cavs site... go with dan gilbert

Dude, your posts are like super glue applied under the eyelids.. My eyes hurts like hell looking at them, and I can't unsee it. =.=

The Cavs fired Mike because he lost LBJ's respect, and Dan Gilbert was trying everything to serenade LeBron to coming back. Heck, Dan Gilbert fired everyone just to get LeBron back, but he didn't stay anyway.

That aside, Mike's system was built around the premise that it has a player like LeBron in it. It might've worked in Cleveland, but it sure isn't going to work in LAL. The Lakers don't have a big who stretches the floor like Zeke and Jamison. They also don't have a pass first 1st option like Lebron. And lastly, the Lakers don't have consistent spot up shooters to pass to.

It's true that trust was an issue, mostly because no one is good enough to knock down their open shots. It's true that they need to be unselfish but most of the problem is the system where spacing is so bad. It's true that Kobe shoots too much but he has to if the Lakers are to win built the way it currently is. But the fact of the matter is, this is the wrong roster for the wrong system.

[EvenSteven]

I would encourage Lakers fans to be patient with Mike Brown.  There just aren't many Phil Jacksons, Mike Krzyzewski's, or even Red Auerbachs around to appease and command respect from Kobe Bryant.  If you get rid of Brown then whom are you gonna get to replace him?  Popovich??

I would only mention Kobe here because Bynum is a supremely talented, but immature schmuck, whom would require more of a nanny or a babysitter to keep him happy.

[Nanizm]

Nanizm, on 30 March 2012 - 07:20 AM, said:

This will be Mike Brown’s last season as coach.

The player’s don’t respect him or believe in what he is doing.
The Kobe benching.
Bynum acting out. The players only meeting early in the season had a lot to do with the issues that the players had with his coaching style and strategy on the court.

http://espn.go.com/l...rs-only-meeting

All signs they don’t respect the coach or believe in what he is preaching.

You can say what you want about the performance on the court by the players, but if those players don’t believe or respect the guy that is supposed to lead them then that is by far the biggest issue.

Nanizm, on 30 March 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:

I am not necessarily stating that Mike Brown should be fired after this season because he has time to turn it around.  I’m predicting that will happen based on what I have seen thus far.

I believe if the team has lost respect for the coach and have tuned him out then that is a cause for getting fired.

As far as Phil stating that Kobe was uncoachable, he did a pretty good job of harnessing the good he brought by winning 5 rings, 2 most recently with him as the centerpiece. So, being uncoachable doesn’t mean that a coach cant make it work and win a championship.

Im not touching that trade Kobe comment.

Wow, what incredible foresight by this guy. If I were you I’d listen to this guy more often because he really sounds like he knows what he is talking about.

[Hayter]

every blue moon, the sun will shine on a dog's ass... good job...