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[CheeseheadLakersFan]

ive been doing a lot of reading, the main reason the Lakers traded Odom was cuz he was unhappy with when they tried trading him in the Chris Paul trade, so they moved him for a 1st round pick and a $9 million trade exception, and they can use that towards a trade, basically can give a team that $9 million dollars for a player in a trade. What i think would be the best move is to give that $9 million to the Minnesota Twolves for Michael Beasely to replace Meta Word Peace, and then use one of their 1st round picks to trade to the Cleveland Cavs for Ramon Sessions or the Toronto Raptors for Jose Calderon or the Houston Rockets for Johnny Flynn to replace Derrick Fisher as the primary PG, the Twolves want the money, and the Cavs arent going to resign Sessions who is a freeagent after this year since they just invested the #1 pick in Irving, there is actually talk about them trading Gasol for Rondo, but that doesnt really make them better, it just makes them different, they could financially and rather easily be Kobe Bryant, Ramon Sessions/Johnny Flynn, Michael Beasely, Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum. Any thoughts?

[Chito]

CheeseheadLakersFan, on 22 February 2012 - 09:38 PM, said:

ive been doing a lot of reading, the main reason the Lakers traded Odom was cuz he was unhappy with when they tried trading him in the Chris Paul trade, so they moved him for a 1st round pick and a $9 million trade exception, and they can use that towards a trade, basically can give a team that $9 million dollars for a player in a trade. What i think would be the best move is to give that $9 million to the Minnesota Twolves for Michael Beasely to replace Meta Word Peace, and then use one of their 1st round picks to trade to the Cleveland Cavs for Ramon Sessions or the Toronto Raptors for Jose Calderon or the Houston Rockets for Johnny Flynn to replace Derrick Fisher as the primary PG, the Twolves want the money, and the Cavs arent going to resign Sessions who is a freeagent after this year since they just invested the #1 pick in Irving, there is actually talk about them trading Gasol for Rondo, but that doesnt really make them better, it just makes them different, they could financially and rather easily be Kobe Bryant, Ramon Sessions/Johnny Flynn, Michael Beasely, Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum. Any thoughts?

Sounds interesting, but what if the Cavs, Raptors or the Rockets want more than just the Lakers' 1st round pick? If the whole $9 Mil + Ron Artest was used to acquire Beasley, will the 1st round pick be enough to bring in either Sessions, Calderon or Flynn?  

[CheeseheadLakersFan]

Chito, on 22 February 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:

Sounds interesting, but what if the Cavs, Raptors or the Rockets want more than just the Lakers' 1st round pick? If the whole $9 Mil + Ron Artest was used to acquire Beasley, will the 1st round pick be enough to bring in either Sessions, Calderon or Flynn?  

Sessions can become a free agent after this season so cavs may jump on a 1st round pick for him if the market on him isnt much. maybe they package a young player suck as Ebanks or Goudelock with the pick, or some money, possibly a future draft pick.  Sessions is THE guy i want to see coming over hes a back up cuz the Cavs just invisted the #1 pick in a guy, of course Irving was going to start, Irving sees most of the time, but on February 8th, 10th, and 11th when Irving was out with injury Sessions went 24 points 13 assists vs LA Clippers, 12 points 16 assists vs Milwaukee, and 19 points 8 assists vs 76ers, also in the first two games of the season when Irving was getting his feet wet Sessions went for 18 points 6 assists and 16 points 6 assists, hes averaging 10 points 6 assists as a back up, now imagine what he can do with players on his team whose names you can actually think off instantly, Bynum, Gasol, Kobe all benefit from his passing, and his points go up just due to increased playing time in a system where he wont get the majority of the focus.

[Hayter]

does beasley play defense? and if he comes, who sits, artest or barnes?

[CAS]

In my opinion I do not think Pau is the problem nor do I think trading Pau is the answer UNLESS of course it lands you Dwight Howard or Derron Williams. With that said I would welcome the following...

PG: Raymond Felton OR Ramon Session OR Jarrett Jack (In no particular order)
SG: Kobe Bryant
SF: Michael Beasley
PF: Pau Gasol
C: Andrew Bynum

[Nanizm]

I think that these 2 players are exactly what the Lakers need to balance out their roster.

Beasley shouldn’t start. He is a quick scorer which is needed off the bench. He is really a tweener and can play both the 3 or the 4, neither one of them well defensively though which is expected with tweeners (too small for guarding 4s, too slow footed to guard 3s). He would be the answer the Lakers scoring problems off the bench.

Ramon Sessions is the best available PG out there. Playmaker, quick, disruptive and can score. Not the greatest shooter and very limited range on his shot. He is pretty much relegated to scoring from 10 feet in. But, hard to stay in front of and a willing capable playmaker. We saw against Dallas what a good playmaker could do with the 2 bigs inside.

The problem is that the 8.9 million exception cant be broken up for 2 teams or be combined to get 2 players or combine it with another player. It must be exception for player straight up. That means that it can only be used for either Minnesota and Beasley or Cleveland and Sessions.

If the Lakers are to get both they’d have to use their exception for on of the 2 trades and an actual player for the other. That’s the problem, the Lakers don’t have any good young players making enough money to make trades work and don’t have any expiring contracts. Its going to be hard to get both.

[Nanizm]

CheeseheadLakersFan, on 22 February 2012 - 09:38 PM, said:

ive been doing a lot of reading, the main reason the Lakers traded Odom was cuz he was unhappy with when they tried trading him in the Chris Paul trade, so they moved him for a 1st round pick and a $9 million trade exception, and they can use that towards a trade, basically can give a team that $9 million dollars for a player in a trade. What i think would be the best move is to give that $9 million to the Minnesota Twolves for Michael Beasely to replace Meta Word Peace, and then use one of their 1st round picks to trade to the Cleveland Cavs for Ramon Sessions or the Toronto Raptors for Jose Calderon or the Houston Rockets for Johnny Flynn to replace Derrick Fisher as the primary PG, the Twolves want the money, and the Cavs arent going to resign Sessions who is a freeagent after this year since they just invested the #1 pick in Irving, there is actually talk about them trading Gasol for Rondo, but that doesnt really make them better, it just makes them different, they could financially and rather easily be Kobe Bryant, Ramon Sessions/Johnny Flynn, Michael Beasely, Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum. Any thoughts?

Sessions actually has a players option for next year which he can pick up giving him 1 more year at about 4.5 million. I have read though that he will probably not pick it up and become an free agent to try to get a bigger, longer term contract. Especially if he goes to another team like the Lakers and shows he is a player worthy of a big contract. If he does not pick up his option, I believe he becomes a restricted free agent so whatever team owns his rights at that time can match any offer.

If the Lakers use their exception for Beasley like you proposed they cant get any of the other players unless they match saleries. Morris, Goudelock and Ebanks all make less than 1 million so their salaries wont match any of the players you mentioned. Calderon is making 11 million so he is pretty much out of the question.  If the Lakers were to get Sessions without the exception they would have to trade someone like Walton or Steve Blake to make the salaries match. I don’t know if Cleveland would want that, even with offering the 1st round draft pick which isn’t going to be that high.

What I still haven’t confirmed is when the guys that the Lakers signed early in the year are tradable. I.e. Josh McRoberts, Jason Kapano, Troy Murphy. Once those guys are available in a trade it will give the Lakers more attractive assets. However, I don’t know if they will be available in time to meet the trade deadline so it might be a moot point.

[Nanizm]

Nanizm, on 23 February 2012 - 07:25 AM, said:

What I still haven’t confirmed is when the guys that the Lakers signed early in the year are tradable. I.e. Josh McRoberts, Jason Kapano, Troy Murphy. Once those guys are available in a trade it will give the Lakers more attractive assets. However, I don’t know if they will be available in time to meet the trade deadline so it might be a moot point.

Okay the aforementioned players are avaiable for trade after March 1st. Kapono and Murphy make the vet minimum so they wont help much salary wise and doubt they would get much interest in the trade market anyway.

Josh McRoberts however can become very useful in making a trade. Lakers used the full mini mid level on him, which was around 3 million, and is a young, good big man. Remember last year Indiana had reportedly traded him to Memphis for OJ Mayo. That tells you he has some value. He's not getting playing time and is pretty much out of the rotation. He might be someone that could help the Lakers get someone like Sessions.

[LAKERGANG_X6]

Trading Pau will not do anything, it can possibly hurt us. We need a PG and possibly a new SF but trading Pau away can be one of the stupidest move ever.

[EvenSteven]

First and foremost priority is a PG that can defend.  The Cavs are gonna want more than 1 first round pick for Session, otherwise it would have happened already.  Perhaps they are asking for 2 first rounders.

[anon62]

Ramon Sessions is not a defensive player, and he will want the ball if you want to use him well.

@Namzim
You can break up the trade exception. See what Denver did with their Carmelo Anthony Trade Exception. They used it to get Corey Brewer and Rudy Fernandez. Look it up via ESPN Trade Machine: games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

But as it stands, when added up, Beasley's contract and Session's contract is more than $8.9M. The Cavs will have to settle with taking in a contract IMO, and it'll probably be McRoberts. Sending in a pick for Sessions could also sweeten the deal a bit.

As for how to use Beasley, He'll have to come from the bench. But I think you guys are forcing Beasley to play SF too much. Remember, he used to play Power Forward for Miami. He can come in and take Murphy's minutes, and he'd be an upgrade defensively IMO.

[Nanizm]

anon62, on 23 February 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

@Namzim
You can break up the trade exception. See what Denver did with their Carmelo Anthony Trade Exception. They used it to get Corey Brewer and Rudy Fernandez. Look it up via ESPN Trade Machine: games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

You’re right. You can use the exception to get multiple players that add up to no more than the exception + 100k.

The Lakers could acquire 2 to 3 players that add up to 9 mil max from 1 team.

Or

Lakers can trade for a 4 million player from one team. Then use the remaining 5 mil to use for another player from another team.

What they cant do is use the 9 mil exception to sign players or combine it with other exceptions or players to get a player making more than 9 mil.

[Hayter]

it doesn't matter who the pg is, it won't matter.  he's gonna do what every laker pg does.  bring the ball down, pass it to kobe and get out of his way.  i don't want to hear about how he's gonna create for other players, blah blah blah.  nonsense.

[Nanizm]

Hayter, on 23 February 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

it doesn't matter who the pg is, it won't matter.  he's gonna do what every laker pg does.  bring the ball down, pass it to kobe and get out of his way.  i don't want to hear about how he's gonna create for other players, blah blah blah.  nonsense.

No one is saying that the guy is going to be like Nash and create all the time. But , if they have a playmaking guard you have another guy that can actually do something with the ball, create for himself, create for someone else. Some other guy that can break pressure. Look at how Thunders’ swarming defense last night got to all of the Lakers. Nobody could handle the ball well enough to break the pressure. If they had someone else on the floor other than Kobe it would  provide additional options in the offense which as we can see isn’t very creative.

Even if a new PG provides just 3 to 4 more baskets off his penetration or playmaking it would make a substantial difference.

[Hayter]

Nanizm, on 24 February 2012 - 07:31 AM, said:

No one is saying that the guy is going to be like Nash and create all the time. But , if they have a playmaking guard you have another guy that can actually do something with the ball, create for himself, create for someone else. Some other guy that can break pressure. Look at how Thunders’ swarming defense last night got to all of the Lakers. Nobody could handle the ball well enough to break the pressure. If they had someone else on the floor other than Kobe it would  provide additional options in the offense which as we can see isn’t very creative.

Even if a new PG provides just 3 to 4 more baskets off his penetration or playmaking it would make a substantial difference.

didn't you see that video that I posted?  that offensive play is 75% of the lakers offense.  i don't care how great of a pg you are, how do you get a pg involved in that play?

[CheeseheadLakersFan]

Hayter, on 23 February 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

it doesn't matter who the pg is, it won't matter.  he's gonna do what every laker pg does.  bring the ball down, pass it to kobe and get out of his way.  i don't want to hear about how he's gonna create for other players, blah blah blah.  nonsense.

what PG have the Lakers really ever had besides Fisher and guys who fill in for a few years, but now Fisher is aging, Lakers are looking to the future and know that getting a legit PG is better for them, getting a great PG is good for Bynum Gasol and Kobe.  playin the PG isnt the same in LA as it was the last 15 years with Kobe.

[EvenSteven]

CheeseheadLakersFan, on 27 February 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:

what PG have the Lakers really ever had besides Fisher and guys who fill in for a few years, but now Fisher is aging, Lakers are looking to the future and know that getting a legit PG is better for them, getting a great PG is good for Bynum Gasol and Kobe.  playin the PG isnt the same in LA as it was the last 15 years with Kobe.

The Black Mamba is literally the basketball black hole.  Kobe will still dominate the ball, new PG won't make much difference on offense.  Essentially, the Lakers need mainly a PG that can defend and stay in front of the likes of Westbrook, Parker, and Paul.

[Nanizm]

Hayter, on 24 February 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:

didn't you see that video that I posted?  that offensive play is 75% of the lakers offense.  i don't care how great of a pg you are, how do you get a pg involved in that play?

Just look at Mike Brown’s Cleveland team before and after the arrival of Mo Williams.

Pre Mo Williams:
05-06: 97.6 ppg (PG: Larry Hughes, Eric Snow)
06-07: 96.8 ppg (PG: Larry Hughes, Eric Snow)
07-08: 96.4 ppg (PG: Larry Hughes, Delonte West)

With Mo Williams:
08-09: 100.3 ppg
09-10: 102.1 ppg

The jump in point production coincides with the arrival of Mo Williams. This is the effect of a playmaking guard in a Mike Brown’s offense. Even with Mo Williams, Lebron James still dominated the ball but there was another player on the court that could break the pressure and create. This is what improved the offense and it shows in the numbers. That is what I believe the Lakers need in this offense.

[Kento]

The Lakers should follow Spurs blue print. Add components to make their core players better. Keep the twin tower, add a decent pg & SF via trade but also add Wallace at minimum and add Adrenas for cheap( make orlando pay for playing hard ball in trading Dwight to the Lakers by making them pay most Adrenas salaries). This team will be enough to be dangerous in the playoff. No team in the west would want to meet the Lakers in a 7 games playoff series. In fact, the Lakers should encourage other teams to help Orland better to help them battle out Miami in playoff. Any team survived in the East would be too tired and easy picking for the Lakers!!!!

[Kento]

Shred salaries after this season. If Lakers win a title this year, Kobe may retire. Jim Buss may make a deal with Kobe that he will retired if the Lakers willing to spend money this year to get components to get Kobe another ring. $25 Mil or more will be saved then. Again, shred Walton dead waste...