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[Chito]

A recent story in the New York Times raised an intriguing question: Is the Internet so unsafe and inefficient that we should just scrap the whole thing and start over? Some Stanford researchers think so.

The Internet was originally designed as a way for academic and military researchers to exchange information—not as a vessel for an immense load of global communications between private citizens. As such, security was not a huge concern on the early Internet; rather, the ability for every computer network to talk to every other computer network was the main priority. This openness and flexibility was eventually exploited, to great success, by hackers and cybercriminals.

The Stanford Clean Slate project aims to develop a more secure Internet that's also better equipped to deal with applications—from mobile apps and beyond—that haven't been invented yet. It's unclear when, if ever, this new Internet will be unveiled, or how successful it will be at protecting the identities of innocent users while keeping criminals at bay. The Internet's biggest drawback and its biggest asset are the same: anonymity. Taking that away would create a huge stir among privacy advocates, even if it did help to curb malicious activity.

Until somebody works out those thorny issues of where privacy ends and safety begins, we can expect to work with our same old Internet. In the meantime, companies like Trend Micro will keep fighting the good fight—trying to keep consumers and businesses protected, one Internet threat at a time.

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Article taken from Trend Micro Consumer Newsletter

[Airness24]

Wow....I dont think its possible to do that unless you want to leave billions of people w/o internet for a very long time.

[Mohican83]

Wow....I dont think its possible to do that unless you want to leave billions of people w/o internet for a very long time.

You will always have criminals and hacks as long as there is something to steal

[Chito]

but cant they just like work with this one while they make BIG improvements with it

they can try, but hackers will always eventually find a way to get around it.  

[Metal Lives]

They have actually already started this to a certain extent.
I have heard that they are working with new suffixes, such as the .xxx
Also, they may have .ebay, .nyc (and other major citys) .gay, and ones specifically for businesses. Its a major step, because that would categorize things further and hopefully cut down on the fraudulent sites.

[Chito]

If this is seriously in the works, rest assured Google, Microsoft, Facebook and/or all those major Internet hogs are sure to be working on something to get a piece of the action.  

[Nanizm]

I like the idea from Furturama where they just insert a chip in your head and you can get the internet directly in your mind. It’s a legit idea that the government should invest heavily in to explore. If it means taking money away from the schools im all for it.

[Chito]

Nanizm, on 05 April 2011 - 08:29 AM, said:

I like the idea from Furturama where they just insert a chip in your head and you can get the internet directly in your mind. It’s a legit idea that the government should invest heavily in to explore. If it means taking money away from the schools im all for it.

No way on this! I don't think I'm going to enjoy anybody inserting anything in my head, let alone the government. That would be their first step into total mind control. I'll pass.  

[Metal Lives]

Fully agree with you there Chito. Less government is best. I wont even turn on my webcam, due to the facial recognition software. Fully disabled it.

[Chito]

metalhead13, on 05 April 2011 - 03:53 PM, said:

Fully agree with you there Chito. Less government is best. I wont even turn on my webcam, due to the facial recognition software. Fully disabled it.

haha good idea man. Unfortunately, with so many people giving out their information and personal pictures so freely over Facebook, Twitter, MySpace, etc., it's so easy now for predators to find almost anyone, with handy pictures of them, their family members and where they live. Many people don't think about it that way though. They think "it's just Facebook". Right, keep saying that to yourselves.

[Metal Lives]

Yeah, next thing you know the new Facebook app "Bill pay" will come out. Just enter your account #, social security, and all major credit cards. We will need your email password and your security questions too, just to make sure its you. How about your current credit score while we're at it?

[Ricky]

Hmmm interesting idea. I rather people spend time on stem cell research or geothermal power plants than a Super-internet

[Metal Lives]

I agree, more geo-thermal power plants, but we should also dump all of the non-biodegradable trash in there too. Magma melts everything, and the fumes it would put off wont make a difference. Cant breath it anyway, and would save money in the long run, cause all of the dumps are filling up faster and faster. What else are we gonna do with crt monitors?Plus, can even dump irradiated stuff in there without consequence.

[Nanizm]

I want everyone in the US tracked and monitored. A chip that is tracked by the government is the only way to keep people in line. Those idiots at Dodger Stadium that almost beat a Giant fan to death would be in prison right now with a chip.

So what if our privacy is taken away. What are you doing that you need your life to be private anyway? They wont be looking for someone jerking off to free porn on the internet or you staring at high school girls as you drive by in the morning.

Im tired of these idiots that live amongst us. I know is a very small percentage of people but still.

You else with the Government chip movement? Lets bring peace and sanity back to the US!

[Metal Lives]

I think you should move somewhere else. Like Russia. Then impose that, cause we are supposed to be free here. Doesnt matter what I choose to do, its my business not the governments. The stadium should have had cameras and security, so its their fault. And even if 1000 people die, it doesnt mean everyone here should suffer due to it.
Plus what you dont realize is that criminals would take theirs out, negating the effects overall. So it would be pointless, and costworthy to do so.

[Nanizm]

metalhead13, on 06 April 2011 - 12:35 PM, said:

I think you should move somewhere else. Like Russia. Then impose that, cause we are supposed to be free here. Doesnt matter what I choose to do, its my business not the governments. The stadium should have had cameras and security, so its their fault. And even if 1000 people die, it doesnt mean everyone here should suffer due to it.
Plus what you dont realize is that criminals would take theirs out, negating the effects overall. So it would be pointless, and costworthy to do so.

Most of what im saying is tongue in cheek but I am frustrated with living with so many bafoons that are allowed to walk our earth.

I am also not against having our privacy compromised if it is for the greater good, which is keeping many of these criminals off the streets and out of Dodger Stadium.

After 911, I was all for random wire taps by trusted government bodies to assist with finding the terrorist. I am for it for all type of crimes.

Nobdy suffers and everybody is stil free if their privacy is infringed.
A right to privacy is not a constitutional right which many believe that it is. The thing is that in this country people are spoiled by the rights that they have been afforded and become accustomed to. There are obviously some rights that are essential but privacy is not one of them.

I don’t see the problem with an increase in vigilance by an authoritative body of our government. We already have police, FBI, Homeland security and many other watching over and protecting us already. Lets just increase the level of monitoring and tracking of the public.

It wouldn’t change the way you live your life if you are a law abiding citizen.

[Metal Lives]

What some do shouldnt affect the whole population. "The State cannot demean their existence or control their destiny by making their private conduct a crime. Their right to liberty under the Due Process Clause gives them the full right to engage in their conduct without intervention of the government. 'It is a promise of the Constitution that there is a realm of personal liberty which the government may not enter.'

Determined in Texas in 2003. Wire taps, without cause is the same as illegal searching of a person/residence, which is an acceptable interpretation of both the first and fourteenth amendments.

"If the First Amendment means anything, it means that a State has no business telling a man, sitting alone in his own house, what books he may read or what films he may watch. Our whole constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds."


And what would wiretapping americans have solved on 9/11? They came out of Canada, and I highly doubt they would have been "randomly" chosen for the taps anyway.

Increase in vigilance, i agree with. They need to keep the people who are legitimately guilty of real crimes off the street and out of the country. How about they give the people the right to do whats right again, as was done in the beginnings of this country, for one with the "wanted dead or alive" posters and the right to shoot someone with just cause? Public hangings of convicted felons, anything that discourages public immorality, is punishable while your life is just that, yours.

What I do in my own home is my business, I wont impede you, you shouldnt impede me. How else can everyone get along?

[Nanizm]

metalhead13, on 06 April 2011 - 02:16 PM, said:

What some do shouldnt affect the whole population. "The State cannot demean their existence or control their destiny by making their private conduct a crime. Their right to liberty under the Due Process Clause gives them the full right to engage in their conduct without intervention of the government. 'It is a promise of the Constitution that there is a realm of personal liberty which the government may not enter.'

Determined in Texas in 2003. Wire taps, without cause is the same as illegal searching of a person/residence, which is an acceptable interpretation of both the first and fourteenth amendments.

"If the First Amendment means anything, it means that a State has no business telling a man, sitting alone in his own house, what books he may read or what films he may watch. Our whole constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds."


And what would wiretapping americans have solved on 9/11? They came out of Canada, and I highly doubt they would have been "randomly" chosen for the taps anyway.

Increase in vigilance, i agree with. They need to keep the people who are legitimately guilty of real crimes off the street and out of the country. How about they give the people the right to do whats right again, as was done in the beginnings of this country, for one with the "wanted dead or alive" posters and the right to shoot someone with just cause? Public hangings of convicted felons, anything that discourages public immorality, is punishable while your life is just that, yours.

What I do in my own home is my business, I wont impede you, you shouldnt impede me. How else can everyone get along?

Nothing you cited there would be violated or infringed upon by what I have suggested.
Everybody is still free to do what they want, when they want; just like it is now, if you choose to violate a law you are held accountable and risk the consequences of your actions. The difference being with increased monitoring of the public is the chances of someone getting caught would increase exponentially.

What I am proposing in theory is an increased level of monitoring so that crimes do not go unpunished and in effect would greatly reduce crime all together by the fact that everybody is being monitored or tracked.

The benefits far outweigh any negatives that anybody can think of.

If every person in the US could be tracked at any given time and have a record of where they have been it would provide the authorities with the tools to capture almost all criminals and deter crimes all together.

Those guys that beat that Giant fan to near death would be in prison now.
Kidnapped children would be rescued almost immediately.
More crimes would be solved and fewer criminals would be walking the streets.

As it is now, we have ways of tracking people such as security cameras, phone records, credit card usage information, email and internet usage information, and much more that I am sure I am missing. Lets just increase it to being able to track someone, if needed, at all times.

Like I said, if you are law abiding, nothing changes and nobody is looking at where you’ve been.

[Metal Lives]

If i break a law in my own home then yes, it would be infringement. Cause its not their place to know or care. Tracking people wont help, cause the ones who are going to do serious crimes will take the implant out. Which part of criminal dont you understand? How do you think it would be possible to enforce? You would have to lock down everyone to house arrest, unless they have special permission, because then they might be able to have it removed illegally. Just cause its law, doesn't mean it cannot be circumvented in one way or another. Felons will get around it, so everyone who is legal will suffer. Public can be monitored by security camera and actual people who do their jobs.  Doing something to "prevent" crimes is worthless, because doing anything outside of regulations, no matter the reason would be punishable. If I robbed a drug dealer of all of his supply, and then destroyed it, am I a thief? (keyword destroyed). Im in America for a reason, because the general population agrees with me on this, and not you.
You never said how wiretapping would have prevented 9/11, tracking all of the civil people wouldnt help, due to the criminals being "off the record" and kidnappers would ovbiously know how to remove said tracking device, so they would just remove it from the kid they took. And, whats wrong with creating new jobs for Americans who want and need work, instead of making the work of current law enforcement easier? I want them to earn their money.

And of the how many hundreds of thousands of laws that are still on the books arent even applicable to todays society?
Cant tie your giraffe up to a lampost, no eating peanuts in church, come on get serious, everyone has broken some crime or another either intentionally or not, but they would all have to go down while being in essence "model citizens"