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ESPN Predicts Kobe Finishing Third On All-Time Scoring List

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ESPN has continued on with their Summer Forecast series. So far, this has not been too kind to the Los Angeles Lakers. They were predicted to finish 12th in the Western Conference with a 30-52 record. Additionally, Carlos Boozer was predicted to be the worst newcomer in the NBA.

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On a brighter note, Kobe Bryant continues to chase history as he is fourth on the NBA’s All-Time Scoring List, trailing Michael Jordan by only 592 points. ESPN’s Summer Forecast voted with 74.1 percent believing Bryant will finish third all-time, and 20.4 percent saying he’ll climb all the way to second.

Being only 592 points behind Jordan, Bryant could very well pass him this season assuming he is healthy. ESPN Stats and Info broke down exactly when Bryant could pass him:

If he averages 20 points per game, he could pass Jordan on the scoring list around the 29th or 30th game of the Lakers season. Those games happen to be at the Chicago Bulls on Christmas Day and at the Dallas Mavericks the next day.

Passing Jordan on the all-time scoring list in Chicago would definitely not endear Bryant to the legion of Bulls and MJ fans who consider him to be the best player in the history of the NBA.

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The possibility of surpassing Karl Malone, however, is far less likely especially if Bryant was to play only in these last two seasons. He would need to average nearly 32 points and play in all 164 possible games to pass Malone.

Kobe, for his part, seems solely focused on proving the prognosticators wrong and leading the Lakers to the playoffs this season, but that will be a tough task.

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  • purp& goldpride

    Still incredible. Out of all the players inside the top 10 scorers list, only kobe & jordan are guards. The rest are either forwards or centers. It’s much harder for a guard to be an elite scorer.

    And another thing people will bring up are years played in order to reach that feat. Jordan played 15 , this would be Kobe 19th. Take into account that not only did Kobe cone off the bench gotta first 2 seasons, he played with shaq his first 8 years. Also missed 95% of last.season.

    • Orlando Foolridge

      Jordan>Kobe, I don’t think anybody would argue that. Of Course, Jordan is one of if not the best player ever. Kobe is probably top 10 ever. The thing that blows me away is when I looked at the scoring list then looked at Kareems numbers per year….why does nobody talk about Kareem being the best player ever? His PPG aren’t that much worse than MJ’s and there was no 3 point shot for alot of his career (although kareem wouldn’t have shot any). Kareem played for 20 years and never missed any games really…6 titles. Kareem>Kobe?

      • cj

        kareem played with magic. kobe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kareem

        • Zach

          LOL, Kobe was a sidekick to Shaq, who couldn’t carry Kareem’s jock! Do the math…

          • http://www.foxhilldesign.com Josh

            Shaq and Wilt are the most dominant players the game has ever seen. Shaq is probably the best center of all time and is easily the first player I would take if I were building an all-time team.

          • Eddie Lazaro

            I will take Wilt any day!

          • http://www.foxhilldesign.com Josh

            Take him. I suspect Shaq would abuse him one-on-one.

          • Zach

            Guess you missed Olajuwon humiliating him in a four game sweep in the 95 finals. Shaq might be a top 10 center ever, but clearly no Hakeem.

          • http://www.foxhilldesign.com Josh

            Guess you missed that Hakeem was in his prime at 32, and Shaq was young and raw at 22 that year. And to say Shaq was humiliated…28pt, 13reb, 6 ast, 2.5 blocks per game in the series? I don’t think so. The Rockets were a much deeper and more veteran team. And the Magic were completely done in by Dennis Scott’s shooting.

          • thad d

            shaq was pretty scary in his prime ,unstoppable , kareem , well , he is the captain . kobe is so special ,like jerry logo west ,
            one of the greatest clutch players of all time .great competitor and the greatest work ethic of all time . some say his 81 points were more impressive than wilt the stilts 100 , better compo , and most from all over the court . dominating all . lebron has a long way to go to come even close to his buzzer beaters. .!!

          • Zach

            The stats and facts prove Kobe as one of the worst clutch players in NBA history, please google it. An utter joke in the final minute of any close game.

          • Jim213

            The crybaby #24 haters can’t check their stats in believing that Diesel carried KB24. Although, Shaq was already an established dominate star in the league upon joining the Lakers. While it took Kobe a few years to establish himself while growing and maturing. Truth, I’m a brand comes first guy but be damned if #24 is dissed by the tard haters for what he’s done for the brand.

            For those who bad mouth #32 too for his freedom to express himself (FO) F them too, will be here defending the ones who’ve raised the brand to the level of competitiveness it’s been known for… Although now things may not seem too bright but it’s just a matter of a few more years to place the next batch of Laker talent to represent the brand.

            With that said titles/rings matter too. Kobe has done enough to be considered an all time player but he’s not finished yet contrary to what the haters believe. But thanks for motivating #24 more for next season too. Even if you’re a so called Lakers fan who complains about everything. I’m cool with everything except FO (J Buss), but will represent the brand 24/7 which goes with your whining. can’t win a title single handed especially given today’s competitive times.

      • ghost

        It’s obvious that Kareem is higher all-time than Kobe. They are in completely different leagues, Kareem is top 3, Kobe top 15.
        And Jordan is of course goat scorer, Kobe may surpass total points but it changes nothing at this point of career.

        • Zach

          But if Kobe’s so great, why’s he coming off the bench his first two years? Just can’t picture MJ riding the pine.

          • Lakersssallday

            He was 17 years old when he signed. Jordan went to college first

          • Zach

            LBJ came right out of high school too, averaged 21 and 27 his first two years, didn’t ride the bench.

          • zachsgay

            oh so a LBJ fan lol. LBJ is a 1st round 1st pick SF in the CAVS who else is there to START

          • Mambanation

            @zachsgay thats right. <<<yes read it again lol.

          • Eric

            Well look at the quality of Those Cavs teams LBJ’s first 4 years compared to the quality of those Lakers teams during Kobe’s first 4 years. The Lakers didn’t need Kobe as much then as the cavs needed LBJ

          • Mambanation

            well dont you feel stupid lol. comparing a contender team to a trashy cavs lol…lechoke was a starter because his team sucks lol….Lakers were contending with or without Kobe. Lakers wanted kobe because they know that he was special. Knowing that he is a great competitor, willing work on polishing his game to become a starter thats why the Lakers traded him. Please gtfo zach. go ride on Lechoke’s D if u like him so much.

          • Paulie Laker

            Kobe had Shaq his first years, LBJ had Ilgauskas? 1b to shaq’s 1a. Then again the best ever many have a real argument. Kind of like the Ruth versus Aaron versus Cy young versus Ty Cobb versus etc etc argument in baseball (bonds is an asterisk at best) but much more complicated, wink wink. Wilt was the best scorer in his day. Russell had the most titles(double digits anyone?) and Kareem the most points. MJ may be 1a at his position to Kobe (for now) at a very very close 1b (also MJ didn’t have to constantly adjust his game to win titles as there was hardly any turnover AND he never did score 81 albeit against Toronto or 69 in 3 quarters against a pretty decent Rockets team I believe) and Kobe had COMPLETELY different teams in his two title run sets… Magic and Larry and the Mailman and Duncan all helped redefine their positions and Oscar AVERAGED a triple double one year! Doc and Elgin and Moses were all great but ther have been better as of late. There is also the argument of difficulty levels changing per era. And what about Hakeem and his two QUADRUPLE doubles one year but then again he was great but had a two year super prime but the rest was “just great”. Truth is Kobe isn’t done yet….and by the way, at least one of Nash’s two MVP’s should have gone to Kobe….I mean 35.4 points and 5+5 for the entire season including the two aforementioned games above and Nash didn’t even score 20??? I fear Colorado and cheating that became monetary hostage due to probably false claims had a lot to do with that decision and MVP should be merit based and not a popularity contest! If he can reinvent himself again as a point forward and go 20, 8 and 5 or 6 for the next two or three years and win at least one more title what will everyone say then? If he does I say tied for first

          • Zach

            LOL, a guy with one lone MVP who was a sidekick to a far better player for years???? Please take your meds.

          • mikesclassicsdotcom .

            Lebron also shot 41% from the field and was on a bad Cavs team with no other good SG’s or SF options on the team, so ya there is reason why he got 39 minutes a game his rookie year, Kobe on the other hand player for the Lakers and we had an all-star in Eddie Jones at SG and Cedric Ceballas and Robert Horry at SF where was he supposed to play? Also lets not forget Lebron has more talent then any player in the NBA even at his young age he was ripped, strong, fast and agile, Kobe Bryant had no muscle/strength had he been the physical specimen Lebron is Kobe would have started and average 25 points a game in his first season.

          • Zach

            Good points, if Kobe weren’t a skinny weakling he would have had a far better career.

          • SirHambone

            you are a complete ass!

          • dawn

            His 17averaging 8points in 12min. In 2season…. 2nba lockout season100games +missed regular season.. last year

          • Laker4life

            kobe came straight out of high school into a lakers team full of proven vets. mj had all the hype comin out of college where he had time to develop his game.

          • Zach

            Like Jordan would ever sit behind someone like Nick Van Exel!!!! LOL…

          • http://www.foxhilldesign.com Josh

            If he was 17 and playing for Del Harris, Jordan probably would’ve sat behind Eddie Jones (not Van Exel). You’re argument is stupid…if Jordan’s so great, why’d he get cut from his high school varsity team?

          • Seanjohn78

            Dell Harris was the coach…Jordan would have sat behind whoever he was told to! lol

          • Kishan

            Kobe was a high school kid and Kobe got traded to a good team . where he was the third shooting guard…. if he didn’t get traded he would of started @ charlotte

            ZACH get ur BBALL IQ up

          • Mambanation

            well dont you feel stupid lol. comparing a contender team to a trashy cavs lol…lechoke was a starter because his team sucks lol….Lakers were contending with or without Kobe. Lakers wanted kobe because they know that he was special. Knowing that he is a great competitor, willing work on polishing his game to become a starter thats why the Lakers traded him. Please gtfo zach. go ride on Lechoke’s D if u like him so much……………

          • Eddie Lazaro

            Let’s ask Del Harris about that!

          • fizz

            If my was so great why didn’t he make his high school team?

          • Jim213

            Stupid comment lol…

          • SEANJOHN78

            Uh because the Lakers at the time had a good team
            (53-29), and had pretty decent players (4 future hall of famers. 6 if you count kobe and fisher). They were on a upswing to actually being a contender… just minus a few pieces and a good coach. Kobe was good enough to start but was injured with a broken arm and even if he was healthy would not have started because Dell Harris didn’t really play Rookies all that much (just like Phill Jackson!)

            Thats why people always want to compare lobes early numbers to the likes of leborn and durant and whoever.
            those guys went to teams that sucked ass…they had no choice but to start which helped them develop faster.

        • Lakers forklift

          Kareem had the best passer on his team in magic and one of the fastest paced teams in history

          • ghost

            So what? It changes nothing in fact that Kobe is much lower in all-time ranking.

          • vdogg

            well, it’s all opinion.. but if that’s yours, you’re welcome to it. most pundits of the game have kobe firmly inside the top 10 players of all time.

          • ghost

            I have no such a problem with Kobe in top 10, but it’s at most 9-10 rather than top 3 like many his fans try to say. It’s not a matter of opinion but rather facts that Kareem got easily better career.

          • http://www.foxhilldesign.com Josh

            I really don’t even care that you put Kobe in the top 15, because I don’t think there’s any real way to say any one of those players is “better” than the others on that list. You get up into such legendary status, and they’re all mostly equal to me.

          • ghost

            There are some standard methods to assess why one player was greater to another, so it is not fully competent to say that they are all equal.

          • http://www.foxhilldesign.com Josh

            Okay, then tell me by those standard methods. Who’s better: Oscar Robertson or Hakeem Olajuwon? Wilt Chamberlain or Larry Bird? Jerry West or George Mikan? Players from different eras and different positions cannot be fairly compared.

          • ghost

            If players from different eras and positions cannot be compared then by this logic, we can’t say that Kobe or LeBron were greater players than Parish or Reed for example. You agree with that?

          • http://www.foxhilldesign.com Josh

            Parish and Reed were not the best in their own eras. Excellent players, but I would say they are a notch below just based on that. We’re talking about the top 10 or 15 players of all time, and no one would put Parish and Reed on that list–except maybe Celtics or Knicks fans.

          • ghost

            Kobe was not the best in his era too. He was one of the few greatest players. You’ve got some criterium why Parish was worse than Wilt, Magic etc. so we can compare these players with eatch other too. There were never two equal players in this league, their stats, achieviements, impact on a team always differ.

          • http://www.foxhilldesign.com Josh

            “…not the best in his era…” Looks like you bought into the Iverson and Nash hype. Or maybe the TMac and Grant Hill nonsense. I’m done here.

          • ghost

            As I thought, empty promises no arguments. Search for Shaq, Duncan, KG, Dirk, LBJ, Wade and few others. I’m wasting time for you ignorance.

          • gundersonrogers

            I’ve watched all four live on the court.
            Kobe is the best. LeBron WAY better than Parish or Reed.

          • Jim213

            Nah, Kobe will finish top 5-6 all time if he can become the 2nd-3rd all time scorer. Funny that Kareem’s record hasn’t been broken still (speaks to his consistency). You can cry all you want about #24 but currently he’s top 8.

          • ghost

            Because you say so? You can cry all you want, but you won’t change facts. He has no case to top5-6 all-time ever. And total stats are almost useless in players value.

          • Jim213

            The only crybaby here is you stupid. Kobe no this… Kobe no that troll lol. Kobe can still end up being the 2nd all time scorer contrary to what we may believe. Title’s matter too blockhead when mentioning the all time greats. Looking at the top 4 all time (which varies by the individual) Jordan, Magic, Russell and Kareem all have 5 titles or more.

            That’s the reason the game is played not for the regular season. It’s called getting the job done, achieving the pinnacle of your craft. No diss to the/one of the most dominate players of the game (W Chamberlain) as well as L Bird for comparing achievements they’re pretty much comparable with Kobe’s. Although, Wilt won 2 titles and Larry won 3 thanks to showtime.

            So if a healthy Kobe is capable of playing 2-3 more years I’d definitely consider him as a top 5-6 player. But time will tell if he manages to play at full health for another few more years that’s all I’m saying. Yet all you say is but… but… smh lol troll.

          • ghost

            He can end only on total stat, his averages are not even top 10 and it’s very doubtful they will. Title says nothing about players value, it’s media arguments for people who don’t know basketball. And even if someone want take them into account he must assess player value in this rings. Kobe has a case to top 10 ever, but no for 5-6, to much defects and too poor stats. “Don’t matter what you say as he’s already considered a top 10 lol” Don’t matter what you say, he has a case, but it’s strongly debatable.

          • Jim213

            Just another hater. Again he’s considered a top 10 player already but could care less what you think seriously. The overall package is taken into account (especially come playoffs – the real season) but also taking in the mental toughness aspect side given it’s a mental game. So since you’re on Lebron’s jock there’s a big difference between Lebron’s mentality as opposed to 24′s. Jordan’s the all time great no doubt about that which goes for his impact to the game followed by Magic IMO.

            Cry all you want lol don’t matter. IMO, at best #24 can finish 5-6 as long as he remains healthy but if not he’s already top 10. Comparing average stats to other positions? smh… head case. ” Title says nothing about players value, it’s media arguments for people who don’t know basketball.”

            ?! Would MJ be considered the best if he didn’t get the job done by winning 6 rings (tho could’ve won 8 possibly?) keep making excuses when comparing the all time elite. Everything is taken into account as for myself throw in the mental aspect too smh. Karl Malone has impressive numbers aside of being the 2nd all time leading scorer but strange that he isn’t consider as a top 10 player.

            But just your opinion tho, know matter how awkward it sounds.

          • ghost

            Just another fanboy. He is considered by some people, and he is not by other. Mental factor is included into player production and in fact the next empty argument to justify why Kobe departs from standard the greatest players had. So who cares that Kobe has more “mentality” in your eyes when LeBron is much more valuable player? I’m talking about advance stats, no boxscore average. Do you ever hear about it? MJ is considered the best because how he played in whole seasons, and especially playoffs. Rings are important, but they are only an addition when most people thinks that if player has rings that mean he is greater than player without rings. It’s completely false.

          • Jim213

            Just another lame excuse from a hater. Everything is taken into account. Bird, Wilt, and others wouldn’t be in the conversation as all time greats if titles was mostly taken into account. But it’s like comparing Jordan vs. Magic, two different styles of play. If comparing both Jordan and Kobe position for position than no argument to be made as Jordan is the all time great for a reason.

            The games changed as opposed to relying more on an inside game. So keep believing that the best 2nd SG of all time isn’t top 10 worthy. Jordan’s teams in the 90s could’ve won 8 straight as opposed to what FO placed on the floor for Kobe once #34 was traded.

            But FO did manage to land a good co-player for Kobe in Gasol. Can’t blame Kobe for trying to do too much in those mediocre times when the team wasn’t built to contend. But keep making up excuses in believing that Lebron is ahead of Kobe b/c #24′s shown he can carry a team to the promised land on his own with the help of some good additions.

            As opposed to heading to Miami and playing with two all star players who’d be franchise players in another team. But now that Lebron’s headed back to Cleveland he has the opportunity to elevate his legacy as the main franchise player. However, IMO given Lebron’s size and style of play don’t see him playing past 36-37 yrs of age. Father time is heading his way and given his style of play once he starts to lose his step he’ll need to adapt but it’ll be tougher for him since he doesn’t play directly under the rim as a 5 or is a straight up shooter.

            Many (not myself) only take title’s into account when talking about the greats but it doesn’t tell the whole story. You probably have Lebron as your all time greatest player LMAO. IMO, he won’t finish atop Mt. Rushmore. Too much take into account overall but keep dream on lol. Lost count of how many times LJ ended up in the finals and lost but Lebron is the last Superstar torch barrer as none of the young bloods seems to be getting it done both during the regular season and when it counts.

            Rings are only additions?!, tell that to the many players who’d played 15+ years without getting the experience to hold up the trophy. That’s the reason why the game is played not to socialize amongst peers smh.

          • ghost

            But if you compare their impact on the court, adv. stats, achievements then there is easily visible that Michael was better player. LBJ is better and facts prove it, where Kobe lead his team without great frontcourt? To first round playoffs? Or to 9th seed few days before season end with Gasol, Howard and Nash? Kobe is most lucky superstar ever, he played in mediocre teams only a very short time and as always we seen he lead them barely to playoffs. Bosh and Wade were franchise players few years ago, last year they were a shadow and they were often play poorly in playoffs in earlier years too.

            If LeBron will train hard then he can easily keep his high play level. And LeBron is 9th on my all-time list, so you’re wrong again. But he have a very big chanes to finish top 5, Kobe is 11-12 with no chanes to be higher than 9-10. The best example player who’s been done when it counts is Kobe, he was failing in most important PO moments even more often than LBJ. But as I see most his fans have short memory.

            Rings is a reason why they play and for what they play, but it’s not a criterium to assess players value. How player who win the ring become better at basketball comparing to no win the ring?

          • Jim213

            Nah, different coach (M Brown, ousted after 5) as well as readjustment of style of play with Donetoni. But this just proves that you’re not fond of #24 lol. Don’t give a poop tho. Luck has nothing to do with Kobe’s success. Not the first time I’ve said it but it comes down to where top talent lands and if that team’s willing to bend forward and backwards to build a team that can contend.

            IMO, a lot of talent out there in the league but if they don’t end up going to the right place their stock always ends up falling which likely applies to motivation too (accept losing ways or mediocrity). However, that doesn’t apply to 15-20% of the top star players who have a different mindset when it comes to competitiveness. Don’t have Lebron breaking the top 15 all time list yet IMO. Why? Not mentally there yet IMO, when it comes to playing at your highest capabilities (deep in the playoffs).

            The Cavs owner failed LJ during his first stint but don’t believe they intend on failing him now with all the latest moves being done. All in or nothing. Lebron played with Wade and Bosh all star caliber players and proved he was the best by far out of the 3. Don’t hate Lebron (he’s the last true superstar left once Kobe hangs it up). But it boils down to seeing players compete at their highest level when time calls for too.

            Remember watching Jordan play as an adolescent and once he was in shooting mode it was there throughout the whole game. He soared to the occasion in critical games whether regular or playoffs. All the elite top talented players had that… being the I won’t be denied and the hell with everybody factor. Do i believe Lebron will finish top 10?… very likely but he has yet to prove that many things tho don’t believe he’ll finish top 5 IMO.

            New coach, unproven playoff starters aside of Lebron, and Marion, experience. This run with Cleveland will determine his true place in history IMO. very difficult for LJ to win more titles against the competitive West tho simpler coming out of the mediocre East. Again rings don’t tell the whole story but getting the job done only helps. Lebron’s lost in 2-3 NBA Finals if correct which doesn’t hold up too good when comparing the overall package (career). I have J West as the third all time Laker.

            There’s a true competitor for you when it comes to competitiveness but he only managed to win one title no matter how great i think he was in his time many analyst/media don’t have him breaking the all time greatest 15 players. Bill Russell and those Celt teams of the 60′s were too dominate during West’s time. All I’m saying is that it’s taken into account (titles) especially when talking about the cream of the crop all time greats. Time will tell… Lebron’s on the clock.

          • ghost

            Coach was only one of the reasons, you must be joking if you believe that they failed so much only because of coach. LAL played so poorly mainly because of players, but as I said there were few reasons (injuries, coach, Dwights problems, Gasol problems, Nash problems and Kobe with who there were problems too).
            “Luck has nothing to do with Kobe’s success. ” It has a huge meaning. If you believe Bryant would won any rings in, for example, Hornets then you must have a huge sense of humour. I disagree with you because players have no impact on how team is manages, what players are in the team and what team choose them in draft or transfer. Player can’t be blame by idiotic managers.
            I would love to see your top 15 greatest players, with greater career, stats, achvievements, impact or mentality (you call it – players who didn’t fail in playoffs). We both know you would not list it.
            You think Cavs are championship team? I don’t, they don’t have a team for championship, but it’s topic for another conversation.
            I don’t know why you have such a small belive in LeBron in critical games. He is considered GOAT player in must win games in playoffs, his stats in those games are about 38-8-8 (or in games 7), he can back on 4th quarter and win a game, he’s been doing it for a long time. In last 4 years as a Heat always when Miami been on the edge he put up on the game and won it by his genius. His performances in this games, last quarters, minutes are greater than Kobe’s games, but some people would love to see only what they want to see and that’s why so many his fans belive Kobe is great in clutch and LeBron awful – and this is completely wrong.

            “Lebron’s lost in 2-3 NBA Finals if correct which doesn’t hold up too good when comparing the overall package (career). ”
            It doesn’t hold up good if you compare him to Jordan. But we both know he won’t surpass Jordan, but you should know that Magic for example lost 4 finals and was failing too and nevertheless no one reproaches him that and he is considered top 5.

          • Jim213

            Kareem and Magic when it comes to all time NBA greats are top 4 both. But when it comes to all time Lakers then Kobe/ Magic are tied for #1.

            Kareem wasn’t a Laker lifer if you bothered to check but both Magic and Kobe were attained thru the draft tho #24 was traded from the hornets..

          • ghost

            What’s it spelled?

          • Jim213

            Just keeping it real.

          • http://www.foxhilldesign.com Josh

            The whole NBA played much faster back in the 60s and 70s.

        • Cordero Ramsey

          You’re an idiot

          • ghost

            You too.

      • http://thewanderingchicken.com The Wandering Chicken

        People who saw Kareem play definitely talk about him as one of the greatest, if not the greatest, of all time. The idea that Jordan is the indisputable GOAT is a relatively recent phenomenon. Kareem, Jordan, Wilt, and Russell all have defendable claims. Kareem is generally hurt because of the mistaken notion that the Lakers in the 80s were led by Magic — which was absolutely not the case until 1987. And it’s also immaterial because he was the best basketball player in the universe for about 15 years beginning in 1970 (and probably even earlier if you take into account that he was maybe better than any pro while he was at UCLA).

        • http://www.blueisme.com Tong Zou

          Kareem was unquestionably the greatest college player of all time. 88-2 streak, those only 2 losses coming in single digits and Kareem was injured. Cause dunking to be banned. If college players were allowed to play in the NBA back then, no question Kareem would’ve been even greater than he is now.

          • johnny

            I love Kareem and the Lakers, but Walton may have had the best college stats. Kareem was unstoppable and brilliant on both ends in the pros. A winner. I’ve seen it first hand! Stop with this Kobe being so great crap. He’s like a well behaved Iverson. Not even a top ten Laker. Scott was a better all around player than Kobe.

          • chris

            are you drunk ? LOL

        • Guest

          Abdul-Jabbar made First Team All-NBA at the age of 39. The Lakers’ offense still ran through him. After the Lakers lost to the Rockets in the 1986 Playoffs, Riley altered the offense to run through Johnson. The result: three more Finals appearances and two more titles. Abdul-Jabbar even poured in 32 points in Game 6 of the 1987 Finals to clinch the title.

      • Kishan

        Kareem has better all-round stats than jordan and Kobe… but greatness is measured in different ways…..
        the fact Jordan Average 30ppg …. two 3 peats , 6 finals mvp, 5 mvp, records keep going on

        On Kobes hand Stats don’t indicate much coz Kareeem stats are better all round….. but what Kobe has be able to do for the game and in the game in the 2000s is what makes him great as well as his performance kobe has continued on from Jordan Era….. Now its the Lebron Era but he doesnt have same mentality and attitude as MJ and Kobe

    • SVZ

      You could also consider that Jordan only played 11 full seasons. He was out almost his entire second year with an injury and only played 17 regular season games the comeback year in 95. The two Wizards seasons he was 39 and 40 years old. Although he still average 20 ppg.

      • Orlando jomie

        yea he was more Nba ready
        Cuz of his size 6’8. 240lbs
        leborn wouldnt start over James Worthy is a hall of famer
        On the Laker team!
        He would maybe start his 2nd season or third season

  • cj

    he will finish at least third all time. if he comes back scoring 25+ ppg he could go down as second all time. the only way he passes kareem is if he plays on another contract. so i would say third sounds right but if i was to vote i would say second.

    • Jim213

      Looking at the numbers he can still reach 2nd if he decided to play an extra year or so.

      82 games (reg.) X while scoring 23 pts a game for a full season = 1886 or scores 1886 for the next 3 years (assuming) = 5658

      31700 + 5658 = 37358

      2nd leading all time scorer, Karl Malone w/36,928 pts

      Even if #24 scored 21 pts for 3 regular seasons (246 regular games)/ 21×82=1722×246 = 5166.

      31700+5166 = 36866 BUT! don’t count out #24 in not making the playoffs either this year or the next or the next (possibly 3rd). Although, #24′s recently stated that becoming the all time leading scorer is not something he strives to achieve. But time will tell with a healthy 24.

  • purp& goldpride

    It was going to happen regardless, I just hope MJ lovers can appreciate kobe also. Both great, great players

  • afs

    I wish he could pass Jordan on getting more championships, too. Although, it’s unfortunate he won’t have a great chance to do so.

  • WAYNER

    I think Kobe will finish 1st on the all time scoring list especially if he avg 25 points per game for the next 2 seasons, coach Byron Scott says Kobe looks like he can play another season then if he comes back and at least score 20 points a game he gone finish on top.

    • cj

      he would need to play for 4 more years at 25ppg to pass kareem. he would need to average about 35 ppg and play all 82 games for the next two years to pass kareem with out playing more years

    • afs

      There’s definitely a chance, but I’d have to say it’s probably unlikely. As much as I’d love Kobe to get that number one spot, it’ll be an uphill battle to do so. I’m not questioning his motivation or worth ethic, it’s just that he’d have to play at a really really high level for three more seasons. You’re telling me at his 21st season in the league he’s gonna play EVERY game and average 20ppg? I mean, ehhh. He’d have to put career numbers just to pass Malone.

    • Kb24

      26.5×197 there you got it! Add to his 31.19something….fact, if kobe didnt get injured last year he can EASILY finish 2nd KAJ,KOBE,MAIL,MJ,WILT

    • http://www.foxhilldesign.com Josh

      If Kobe plays 82 games per year (not happening), he would need to average 41ppg for 2 season, 28ppg for 3 seasons, or 21ppg for 4 seasons. Count on him retiring after this contract in 2 years.

      • Seb

        Y u no count playoff games

        • http://www.foxhilldesign.com Josh

          Playoff games don’t count toward regular season records…

        • http://www.foxhilldesign.com Josh

          Y u no…nevermind.

  • Thomas Klein

    But if he plays these next two years and averages 20, and then plays two more years and averages 12-15, he could pass Malone, not likely but possible.

    • Kishan

      NO he can’t with those Numbers he would get 2870 points waaaaaay off he’s needs to be scoring .
      even if Kobe score 27ppg in his next 4 season he will not get to marlone and dats if he’s plays all 82 games which is sooo unlikely

      • http://www.foxhilldesign.com Josh

        He’ll finish third, and I think any reasonable person sees that. To get to second, he would have to average 32/game for two seasons or 22/game for three seasons…assuming he can play 82 games each year, which is highly unlikely.

      • Iggi

        If Kobe scores 27 PPG in the next 4 seasons (if he plays 4 seasons, unlikely) and play in all 82 games/season (again, unlikely), not only will he pass Malone, he will also pass Kareem. 82 * 4 = 328 * 27 = 8,200. Kobe currently has 31,700 + 8,200 = 38,900. Kareem has 38,387.

        First scenario put up by Thomas Klein: If Kobe plays these next 2 years and averages 20 PPG for all 164 games (82 * 2 years), he will earn another 3,280 points. If he plays 2 more years after and averages 12 PPG, he will earn another 1,968 points. 3,280 + 1,968 = 5,248… add his current point total of 31,700 and that equals 36,948… that’s 20 more than Malone. Unlikely, but possible.

        I don’t think he will play 2 more season after this current 2 year contract… so I don’t think he will pass Malone. He will definitely pass Jordan, but not Malone.

        • Kishan

          very sorry i didn’t calculate right….. but yea still its really unlikey and tbh all kobe cares bout is getting passed MJ on points … Kobe knows MJ is better but he always wanted to beat MJ records

  • Zach

    He might only be third in scoring, but he’ll be first in missed shots. The Legend of Kobrick Bryant.

    • zachsgay

      Legend of Gayzach, suckin lbjs dick at the speed of light

      • Zach

        Wow, we can see what’s on your mind! Kind of flattering to see there’s a gay version of me out there….and cool that you’re so proud of it! Keep flying those colors son!

        • zachsgay

          im glad you enjoy suckin lbjs dick, while lbj suckin others

    • scubachef

      Ya if they kept that stat, makes no difference all that counts is winning.
      Don’t you know that, da

      Any gay reference is very immature and totally unforgivable, if you can’t write civilized then get the f**k off.

      YOU ALL SHOULD GIVE YOUR OPINION ABOUT THIS SUBJECT TO MISTER ZACH & HIS BUDDY ZACHSGAY, GO ON DO IT.

  • RUN TMC

    Kobe is the best scorer i have ever seen and i am a Warriors fan saying it.

    • Zach

      Not a current one obviously, or you would have heard of Stephen Curry.

      • RUN TMC

        Okay yes a current one also and yes Stephen Curry is the best pure shooter i have ever seen and i said that in his first preseason game at Oracle.Zach listen to me Kobe Bryant and the Lakers have kicked my favorite team the Warriors ass for like the last 20 years and Kobe has huge numbers and the dominance was the Warriors hadn’t won a game in LA from the Lakers in like over a decade and they always beat the Warriors in the bay so man i have seen my fair share of Kobe Bryant and i respect his scoring a great deal as he dominated many teams by himself practically but he did need help of course just like any other superstar you must be a new NBA fan disrespecting a legend like Kobe?How old are you because you sound like a knucklehead?

        • vdogg

          he IS a knucklehead. why respond to him? don’t feed the monkeys, please.

          • http://www.foxhilldesign.com Josh

            You feed the monkeys because they’re just so much fun to watch. I just can’t help myself. Watch how he jumps up and down everytime I say his favorite word, “Kobe.”

          • scubachef

            IT IS HELLA FUN JOSH, READ MY POSTS. I AM HAVING FUN WITH MISTER NO BRAINS

          • scubachef

            BUT IT IS FUN TO POINT OUT HIS UNFORTUNATE MISGIVINGS & LACK OF BRAIN POWER

        • scubachef

          COULD NOT HAVE SAID THE KNUCKLEHEAD PART BETTER, READ MY REPLY POSTS TO MISTER SMARTY PANTS ZACH

      • Logichurtsbro

        Zach, you just proved your logic is invalid. Stephen has also never shot over 50%, and according to your logic, you can’t be one of the best scorers without shooting that.

        • Zach

          Nope, because Curry is a three-point guy, where the percentage is lower in general. Amazed you didn’t know that!

          • Logichurtsbro

            Oh? So Kobe’s shooting percentage shouldn’t be close to Kareem or Karl’s since Kobe shoots threes, whereas those didn’t?

          • Zach

            No, it should be close to Jordan’s, but it’s not. But we both know MJ is at a totally different level than Bryant.

          • http://www.foxhilldesign.com Josh

            Kobe shoots more than twice as many threes per game as Jordan did. Jordan barely shot any from deep except for the two seasons he played with the shorter 3-point line. It’s easy to shoot 50% when they’re all close shots, and almost every miss is called a foul.

            For you to be so anti-Kobe, you sure do like to compare him to Jordan a lot. You must think Jordan was a slightly-above-average player as well.

          • independentbynature

            Not according to MJ….But heh,Zach the Lakers troll knows more than MJ.Don’t you Zach?

          • vdogg

            so curry ONLY shoots threes? ok, you just lost your entire credibility with that one. but don’t worry — there’s good news. you had NOTHING to lose!

          • independentbynature

            Just like Kobe shoots way more 3′s than Jordan did.But that didn’t make a difference when you were comparing the two.So,why does it now,Zach?Because you are a Kobe hating troll?……..That’s what I thought.

      • scubachef

        DUDE THAT LINE WAS FOR TRAINS NOT BRAINS, SORRY YOU MISSED OUT ON THE MOST IMPORTANT HUMAN ORGAN, DO YOU HEAR CHOOO CHOOO BUZZING IN YOUR HEAD, THAT’S THE TRAIN.

  • Zach

    Would be kind of a sham to have a player unable to ever shoot 50% be the all-time scorer.

    • zachsgay

      shooters will obviously have a lower % on their perimeter shooting. + he is the star of the team obviously he will take more shots too. dont compare shot % if you compare to someone who dont take many J’s. p.s hop off lebrons dick his legacy is already ruined by team hopping and suckin other superstars off and flopping

      • Zach

        So Kobe’s legacy must be totally destroyed by the tantrum he threw to hop to L.A. from Charlotte? We all know he never reaches a conference finals staying in Charlotte…

        • independentbynature

          That fallacy was exposed as BS long ago.You are all about BS,Zach.

    • purp& goldpride

      Hating a$$ IT’S SAD. Bill Russell and hakeem the dream.have a shooting percentage close to kobe, but no one degrades them. Why come on a Lakers fan site to hate?

      • Zach

        You need some variety here, you really want it be all guys like zachsgay, who don’t know the game but just crush on Kobe’s nutstack?

        • zachsgay

          im not even a big kobe fan, but respect is respect. you on the other hand just trying to take away kobe’s greatness. i mean no one can understand lbj fans when his cock is in your mouth

        • PlayerHaters

          you’re probably a Lakers fan who’s just bitter about the current status of the team

        • scubachef

          OR LIKE YOU
          A TOTAL PIECE OF S**T WHO HATES BECAUSE HE IS INFERIOR AND INSECURE

          GROW SOME BALLS AND GROW UP.

        • independentbynature

          Aren’t you zachsgay?

    • scubachef

      YOU JUST KEEP SPOUTING OUT RIDICULOUS STATEMENTS THAT REFLECT YOUR OVERALL KNOWLEDGE OF NOTHING

      DO YOU EVEN HEAR YOURSELF, YOU SHOULD TRY IT YOU WILL LAUGH AT YOURSELF JUST LIKE ALL OF US AND I MEAN ALLLLLL OF US

  • RickFlash

    OMG!!!!!!!! ESPN has something positive to say about Kobe?!?!?

  • vdogg

    hilarious how people get so caught up in comparing shooting percentages while completely neglecting to take into account positions on the floor. a C or PF SHOULD have a higher percentage than a guard because the front court player is much closer to the basket! that’s like me saying that the guard is a better player because he has made far more three pointers.

    • Zach

      So let’s look at two SGs. Jordan shot 50% for his career, Kobe could never pull it off for even one year.

      • vdogg

        untrue. jordan shot 49% and change (below the 50% mark) for his career in an era where it was easier to score. a typical NBA regulation score in the ’80s would be 122-119. if you had a game by that score today, you’re talking about at least one overtime. today’s defenders are far more athletic. benchwarmers in jordan’s day wouldn’t be able to draw an NBA paycheck today. drop a prime jordan in the league today and he would still be great. but drop a prime craig ehlo in the league today and no coach would call on him to slow jordan down.

        • Zach

          He basically shot 50%–.497.
          And he played more in the 90s than 80s. And you seem totally confused, it’s today’s players who couldn’t cut it back then. Bryant on the 1990 Pistons would get a lot of DNP-Coach’s Decision.

          • vdogg

            is it under or over 50%? it’s under. don’t blur the lines. are you really trying to tell me that the league has gotten LESS athletic? you can’t really be this stupid, can you?

          • Zach

            Are you that naive you equate athleticism to better basketball? Wow, I’m almost stunned by your childlike thinking.

          • vdogg

            ha! you’re the one insinuating that kobe wouldn’t be able to get any minutes on the ‘bad boys’ pistons teams… what was the hallmark of those teams? physical play! clotheslining someone has very little to do with basketball skill, moron. you’re contradicting yourself. but hey, at least you’re consistent when it comes to that!

          • vdogg

            thanks for playing, zach. always amusing to expose you for the idiot that you truly are. dry those tears and keep trolling, kiddo.

          • scubachef

            FANTASTIC REPLY

            DUDE IS CLUELESS, COMPLETELY.

          • vdogg

            thanks! notice how when i exposed his hypocrisy, he completely vanished?

          • independentbynature

            You’re stunned by almost any thinking.

          • independentbynature

            Congrats on making the most stupid comment I’ve seen on this site yet.You’re a complete idiot,Zach.Give yourself a DNP.

      • LAK3R4LIF3

        Zach……i think……

      • independentbynature

        Apples and Oranges.You are a basketball moron,Zach.

  • Zach

    Who costs $25M a year, but can’t get you to the playoffs?
    Take your time…

    • Stevo

      It’s certainly not your mama! Quit bitchin and get back to whatever it is that you do damn troll!!

    • http://www.foxhilldesign.com Josh

      A’mare? Carmelo? Don’t say Kobe, because Kobe has been to the playoffs almost every year he’s played, even when Smush Parker, Luke Walton, and Kwame Brown started next to him.

    • independentbynature

      Does this guy have 5 rings?You really are an imbecile.

  • LakerFan4Life

    Some people will tell you that Kobe ranks higher than MJ. There are many plays/shots/game winning drives Kobe has made that MJ would have never pulled off. You can easily argue that going to 7 finals appearances with 5 wins is as impressive as 6 out of 6, especially when you consider how tough the west has been in Kobe’s era (Spurs-Duncan). That Boston team was pretty stacked with 4 all stars to boot. I’d face off against Malone/Stockton over Pierce/KG/Allen/ and Rondo anyday. Yes, Kobe had Shaq for three wins but it’s hard to get any better than having Pippen for the majority of your career who understood the game of basketball, had perfect chemistry/playstyle for MJ, and didn’t care so much about their ego. A lot of NBA players will tell you that Kareem will be their all time GOAT. It all comes down to people’s biased opinions and what parts of the game they respect. Hell there are people who tell me they honestly believe Lebron is better than Kobe/MJ. Too many of these people are ESPN writers lol. I mean please.

    For me, Kobe is in my top 3 of all time with MJ and Kareem. Unfortunately I’m not old enough to have seen guys like Wilt, Russell, and West so with all due respect I’ll have to leave them off my list for the sake of this discussion.

    It was a pleasure to watch MJ’s fabled career as he dismantled the Jazz. That unstoppable fadeaway was so enjoyable to watch.

    Then we were lucky enough to get the encore, Kobe, who showed us that there could be another MJ in our lifetime.

    People tend to forget just how good Kobe was so early in his career. As dominate as Shaq was, he never tasted those championships until Kobe matured. Kobe was 22 in the finals and everyone in the NBA world was already talking about how they were watching the second coming of basketball jesus. Also there isn’t anything much sweeter for a Laker legend than having a game 7 Finals win vs the Celtics.

    People love to hate on Kobe just like they love to hate on the Lakers. It’s because Kobe smoked your team in the playoffs and you’ve been butthurt ever since. Kobe is only in your top 15? Don’t be that idiot fan. True NBA fans know how to respect the greats. I’d listen to Magic.

    Once he passes MJ on the scoring list there really isn’t much you can say other than he’s the closest thing we’ve ever got to his airness.

    • vdogg

      to me, jordan is the GOAT. i would put kobe as the second greatest SG of all time. but i do think you can make the argument that kobe is the greatest one-on-one player the game has ever seen.

    • http://www.foxhilldesign.com Josh

      When talking about how tough the West has been during Kobe’s career because of the Spurs, don’t forget about the Kings and Wolves all those years, too.

    • Kb24

      Barkley says kobe will be forever top 10 all time,kareem and magic says he’s the gretest laker ever…kd,wiggins and other superstars says that kobe is the nearest thing to MJ23, espn says lbj is the chosen one and the king…LOL espn hahah xD

      • CharlesS702

        Don’t act like Kobe didn’t get a ton of love from ESPN in his prime. If we talked about players past their prime K.G. would get constant air time on ESPN. Tim Duncan would still be leading his teams to….ohh wait he still is, but I think you get my point. Do you think K.G. and Duncan fans are claiming ESPN is biased when they talk about Kevin Love, Blake Griffin or LaMarcus Aldridge? No they’ve had their time in the sun and neither one is half the player they use to be. Get over it. Kobe will most likely finish 3rd all-time in scoring unless he somehow finds a way to keep going after his current contract. The Lakers probably wont make the playoffs in a completely stacked Western Conference. It’s OK. Kobe was the greatest guard in the NBA for years. If you expect Kobe to score +30 PPG and lead his mediocre team to the NBA Finals you probably haven’t watched NBA Basketball within the last 2 years. Could Kobe average +30 PPG next season? It’s possible, especially with such a weak roster but the Lakers aren’t making it to the playoffs.

    • 1mtoldman

      espn is very anti laker there was that one ridiculous piece “the freak show” by a BOSTON writer. got called out on that but generally comments on espn can be even worse than the articles some really kobe haters and laker haters. (i guess there’s some on here too but its much worse on espn)

      • 1mtoldman

        except zach apparently who seems like the resident what would be called most places “troll”.

  • Lois Evans

    ESPN on every level is really ticking me this summer. Is there any category that they haven’t bashed the Lakers? I listen everyday, read everyday and watch everyday but I’m near ready to say goodby. Time Warner provides all the purple and gold I need!

    • vdogg

      yes. AND they have jamie maggio. YUM.

  • Kb24

    Kobe will pass MJ on his 24th game,ave. 25pts per game in his first month then, 26.5 per game till the playoffs

    • CharlesS702

      Then once the playoffs start he’ll average 0.0 PPG in 0 games, while he sits in front of his T.V. and watches other people play for a championship.

  • nash screwed the lakers

    “I’ve been recorded saying that he’s definitely the best player in our league. Um, to me, in my eyes the best scorer in our league. And there’s not another guy in our league that can accomplish some of the things that he’s doing.”

    -LeBron James
    July, 2010

  • apeknows

    Well, I hope he is a bit more selective of his shots and not a shooting machine disrupting designed plays. He can reach MJ later in the season; enough self-titles Kob.
    Sincerely,
    A Lakers’ and (then) Kobe fan.

  • Normussestudillo

    So, so much discussions of who’s the best. So many people hated Kobe to the bone, while as many people love Kobe to the hilt. There are some that really doesn’t care or do not even know who Kobe is, if that is possible. This is what why he’s so great. The media people make this to happen, the negative and positive article. Everywhere, anytime pick up a magazines or newspapers, tabloids turn on television or radio and there glaring Kobe’s doing or undoing posted FYI. At this discussions there really is no winners nor losers. Maybe except the people that do not care or do not know him. It’s all a point of view, nothing more nothing less.

  • Paytc

    I will not make publicly know my prediction on where Kobe will end up on the all time scoring list. But I will say there will be two Lakers in spots one and two on the all time scoring list when Kobe retires.

    Cheers to Kobe’s successful return to the top and more Laker championships in the process. Go Kobe ! Go Lakers !

    • http://www.foxhilldesign.com Josh

      Please don’t ever call Karl Malone a Laker. Ever again.

      1. Laker
      2. Jazz
      3. Laker
      4. Bull

  • Fred

    Kobe just keeps getting better and better with his passing and team play and mindset. Be careful not to underestimate this being. He may very well pass Karl Malone on the all time points list. And Karl was Amazing. Remember, Kareem was / is tops with his 38,000 points total. His shot was unstoppable, and no one else his size has come close to what he did. Michal Jordon took two years off, so, not sure we can really say Kobe is better than Michael was. And of course Michael would have scored a lot more points had he not taken those 2 years off. But not sure we can say Michael was better, either. Kobe scored 60 points in 3 quarters, then sat on the bench the entire 4th quarter. Had an 82 point game as well. Jordon probably would have won more championships had he not take 2 years off. Great debate. It’s really up to Kobe now to decide his fate. And he thrives with that type of challenge.

  • Leon Luciano

    I hope you people remember that Jordan missed a few years when he decided to join baseball so your talking about another 20 to 40 thousand more points he would of had.Kobe is a great scorer no doubt it took him 18 years and he hasn’t even reached Jordan yet.

    • vdogg

      so jordan would have scored about 30,000 additional points if he had not missed those two years? 30,000????? LOL. you’re kidding, right? do you know anything about the NBA? also keep in mind that jordan played in a much more offensive era in which it was easier to score. typical scores from NBA games in the 1980s were 122-119, for example. if you have that score today, it would very likely include at least one overtime period. the defensive players today are better athletes.

    • http://www.foxhilldesign.com Josh

      Jordan would’ve averaged 183 points per game those two missed seasons? I’ll buy that. That’s close to what I scored with him in NBA Jam anyway.

      • Leon Luciano

        Maybe my number was too high but you get my point.Kobe has been in the league since 96 and has never missed a season unless your counting last season but even still he still played more years then jordan and still has not reached him on the scoring list.Basically jordan scored more points in less years.He missed 2 whole seasons so how much points would he have scored in 2 seasons do the math.

  • sho_one

    Jordan will still hold record for most po just nuts scored in a season

  • Yo MTV Raps

    I am a Lakers but i know how competitive Kobe is so when the Lakers lose a bunch of games in the upcoming season as is predicted by the experts well then Kobe will start acting like a jerk and demand a trade or just quit on the team like he has done before when things get bad and losses pile up.No playoffs for the Lakers just means Kobe is one step closer to leaving the Lakers.

    Kobe is not a pleasant guy when he is faced with being on a bad team that loses almost every game.Remember back in 2004 and 2007 yeah that is the Kobe you all will be seeing and hearing in 2014-2015.You guys defending Kobe now will be talking crap about him being a jerk and selfish and how you never wanted him since his contract was so big and he makes too much money.It’s funny how some people just are hypocrites and make the NBA look bad.

    Like when Dwight Howard was around the idiots like him and some loved him on the Lakers then once he left he was terrible and awful also a big cry baby douche bag.When Jeremy Lin was a Rockets player he was a big joke that sucked and was overpaid also vastly overrated just a scrub wannabe NBA player but once he became a Laker the tune changed for Lakers fans now he is the future of the Lakers and the best Point Guard the Lakers have had since Magic Johnson also the top 5 Point Guard in the NBA and a future All Star and Hall Of Fame player that is the second coming of 2 time MVP Prime Steve Nash.Wow just wow??????Lakers Nation LOL!

    • vdogg

      yes, every lakers fan is EXACTLY the same. excellent post. very well thought out.

  • Zach

    I love that so many Laker fan girls pull for a rapist with one lone MVP and a history of total failure in clutch moments. There’s a reason Nash has more MVPs.

  • kim

    we all forget about Kobe,he was a Lock Down defender for about 10 years.
    I mean he would dominate the other teams gaurds and small forwards.

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