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Charles Barkley Says Shaq Wouldn’t Have Rings ‘If It Wasn’t For Kobe’

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Over the past few years, Shaquille O’Neal has made a point of it to call out Dwight Howard whenever possible for his limited ability to be a force offensively. Shaq basically can’t stand the way Dwight plays the center position and publicly criticizes him for it often, but the four-time NBA champion isn’t alone in his criticism for the three-time Defensive Player of the Year.

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Although notable NBA legends, mostly former Lakers, like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, James Worthy and Magic Johnson have openly criticized Dwight, Charles Barkley felt like firing back at Shaq on Sunday night on NBA on TNT.

The Houston Rockets were battling the Portland Trail Blazers in Game 1 of their first-round playoff series with Dwight struggling against mediocre opposition in Robin Lopez. Shaq ripped Dwight struggling against Lopez, but Barkley came to his defense basically saying that Shaq still only dislikes Dwight for stealing his “Superman” nickname.

Along with blasting Shaq for something that many believe the future Hall of Famer still holds a grudge for, Barkley didn’t stop there by saying that if it weren’t for Kobe Bryant, the Big Aristotle wouldn’t have won any rings during his NBA career.

Barkley also finished off the segment by telling Shaq to go back to the NBA studios and thank Rick Fox for his rings.
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  • Eazy

    What the heck ?????? These guys are always playing around like that, but seem this time Charles was really talking sh*t.

    • lakersfan420

      The nba is just covering up the answers to the viewers. Example: when phil jackson said mj was better than kobe. Lets face it, kobe wont get 6 and he will try and beat mjs scoring record. But that story wont come till later.

      • stucktrader

        It is true though, that Shaq needed Kobe… as he did “Flash”….

        Kobe took over one of the series versus the Spurs, when Shaq couldnt play… i cant remember the details… i just remember how the reaction was, “I think Kobe surprised them…”

        No one surprises a Coach Pop team…

        Anyway, Lakers getting rid of Jerry West led to this dynasty being broken up… He would have kept them together… but who knows what could have been…

        • Joseph Apohen

          I think high and mighty Phil’s arrogance toward West had something to do with Jerry leaving the Lakers.

        • pete

          west left on his own he was burnt out,read west by west ans you will see that..

      • Kobe Will Get 6

        Correction, Kobe Will Get 6

        • Joseph Apohen

          Hopefully.

    • Shannon

      He wasn’t. They were laughing and playing.

  • Jose

    That’s awesome coming from someone that had some stacked teams and could not win the big one.

    • Rod Milton

      He went up against Jordan. Shaq didn’t win anything against Jordan either…or Hakeem for that matter. And Shaq had Penny during his extent with the Magic.

      • TruthHurts

        Jordan didnt win anything either when he was up against the Bad Boys of Detroit in their prime and Julius Erving led 76ers or young Larry Bird led Celtics, heck jordan was nothing when SHOWTIME Lakers were in their prime…

  • zapster

    Ouch! ?Truth hurts Shaq LOL! You win and lose as a team :)

  • Opinions

    But you can say the same for Kobe so yeah..

    • siva

      Kobe has won two tittles without shaq ! :-P

      • Rod Milton

        While Shaq has only won 1 and that was because of D Wade…and crooked refs. That really should’ve been Dirk’s first ring.

        • stucktrader

          Tell me bout it… That Dallas team could have done a repeat… or should have…

          Hoping LA scouts did their homework for the draft… even better, hope the guy they pick is THE PICK of the draft when we look back

  • Jordan Kellogg Wallace

    Stupid argument everyone had help winning rings. Kobe n shaq, jordan n pippen, kareem n magic, west n Chamberlain, bird n mchale, barkley had help but couldn’t win ring. And he would still have one anyway since he won in ’06

    • Rod Milton

      That was because of Wade. Wade was the sole reason behind that ring.

      • Ramon Reyes

        I’m pretty sure Wade didn’t play every position at the same time for every minute during that year….

        • Shaquante’

          Im pretty sure you take things too literally

      • Mark Calland

        So Wade played all five positions?

      • Jordan Kellogg Wallace

        Obviously wasn’t just Wade, otherwise he wouldn’t have needed LeBron to win another ring

  • Mark Lopez

    In all truth, it wasn’t because Kobe had Shaq or that Shaq had Kobe to win rings. It was because they had Phil Jackson to guide both of them to get to their elite levels. Before Phil Jackson came along, they were already a team that could’ve contended for the title but they didn’t have the guidance they were looking for in Del Harris.

    • stucktrader

      It helped that Jerry West built that team…

      Phil couldnt have coached the team D’antoni had this year…

      • Mark Lopez

        Your comment about Phil VS D’Antoni has no relevance to the comments made by Charles Barkley.

        But to comment on that, Lakers would of had a better record and far less injuries. They might not have made the playoffs but they for sure would of had a better record

        • Josh

          That’s impossible to know. But there is no reason to think the team would have suffered fewer injuries with a different coach. You really think 4-5 fewer possessions per game would prevent injuries?

          • Mark Lopez

            Gary Vitti has said it himself that Phil Jackson’s offense limited the chances of getting injured. PJax was mostly work the post and find ways to move the ball to find the open man.

            I never said 4-5 fewer possessions per game would prevent injuries.

          • Josh

            There is no open man if no one is moving around. He worked the post when he had a dominant offensive player in the post who could command double and triple teams, but Pau is not that guy anymore. He’s not strong enough to bang down low for 35+ minutes anymore. 4-5 extra possessions per game is what the fast-paced MDA offense creates, and most teams run an offense where offensive players run their butts off in the offensive half-court, and they don’t have all the injuries the Lakers had this year. The injuries had nothing to do with coaching or offensive system.

          • Mark Lopez

            About post play,They rarely double Pau and if they do it’s because he’s scoring. It was usually Kobe that was in the post getting doubled in the PJax offense. The other thing yea Pau is not the same guy, I agree with you with that, But so why have older legs run up and down the floor at a fast-paced offense. Older legs won’t keep up in a long 82-game season. The PJax offense allowed you to set up your positions to get an opportune shot at the highest degree possible. The triangle offense had to be precise. MDA’s offense has no fluidity with this kind of team. MDA’s offense has proven itself on the scoring side but it hasn’t proved itself on a winning side in general with any team he has coached. You could argue that Phoenix did well with MDA but it wasn’t championship material. Phoenix was good offensively but defensively they were crap.

          • Josh

            All this talk about a fast-paced offense. The last two seasons under MDA, the Lakers averaged 96.6 possessions per game. In Phil’s second stint with the team, the Lakers ran one of the fastest paced offenses in the league three times and averaged 93.0 possessions per game over 6 seasons.

            You’re telling me a team can’t handle running up and down the court 3-4 extra times per game? NBA athletes? And that’s the team, not individual players. Starting NBA athletes can’t run down the floor 2-3 extra times per game?

            Before you argue age of the players, the average age of the 2006-07 team, which was the fastest pace under Phil (top 5 players in mpg) was 28. This year’s team is also 28.

          • Mark Lopez

            Now you’re saying avg age. I’m talking about Individual age. You have Pau Gasol 33, who ended up with a plantar fasciitis injury last year. Kobe, 35, coming off Achilles. Nash who turned 40 this year and is the oldest person in the league coming off of nerve and back injuries. That’s 3 out of the starting 5 players in the game. Why do you think Popovich of San Antonio sits his star players most of the time?? Because he needs his players to be healthy. They are still a fast-paced offense with San Antonio but you don’t see Popovich giving Tony Parker, Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobli 35+ minutes a game.

            Regardless, we’re straying away from the point of this video. Barkley jokingly accuses that Shaq wouldn’t of gotten his rings without Kobe but it works both ways. It took a coaching leader like Phil Jackson to guide them to their first championship as a duo.

          • Joseph Apohen

            I think Phoenix could have contested for the championship if it wasn’t for Horry running Nash onto the scorer’s table and bloodied his face. He was never the same after that.

          • PFTB

            Actually your wrong its more than 3-4 extra possessions and in general its a known fact that over excertion leads to injuries. The other teams that run rigid paces also have deep benches and rest their players every few games a la spurs and heat. They also know when to play slow ball when bits are in. Dantoni wants to run all the time and if bigs can’t then f em. Dumb coach with good ideas and know clue how to implement them

          • Josh

            Actually I’m right. Under MDA, the Lakers have 96.6 possessions per game. In Phil’s second stint with the team, the Lakers had 93.0 possessions per game.

          • Daryl Peek

            Then why did Shaq and Kobe spend more time injured from 04-12 than Nash who’s was always in the D’Antoni system all of those years?

          • Mark Lopez

            Your question is irrelevant. Shaq from 04-12 was and has been overweight, he was 32-40 years old which would put a lot of pressure on his knees considering the fact that he was 7’1″ tall. Kobe on the other hand, Kobe is Kobe. He personally put his body to the limit that was his choice. Other than Kobe or Shaq who were under Pjax, could you name anybody else that has gotten injured?? Rober Horry, No. Rick Fox, No. Pau Gasol, No. Pau didn’t have his plantar fasciitis til the end of last season with what coach? MDA, that’s right. Also, PJax ALWAYS monitored Kobe’s minutes. He never had Kobe play 40+ minutes night in and night out. Nash only played with MDA for 4 years in Phoenix. and even then Nash was only 30-34 yrs old. Now he’s 39 last year , 40 this year… you can’t have those old legs running an uptempo fast-paced offense. But Nash’s injury doesn’t have anything to do with MDA’s offense because ever since he had the initial leg injury last year, at the beginning of the season, it reacted with the rest of his leg. Back problems, that’s from taking a lot of charges throughout the years and Age.

          • Lakers Fan

            PREACH!!! FINALLY somebody gets it!!

          • Daryl Peek

            Your excuses are pathetic! Kobe stayed injured compared to the much older Nash those years. I don’t wanna hear how Kobe played or Shaq’s size & age. Kobe averaged a minimum of 38-40 MPG playing for Phil and so did Shaq. MDA rarely played Nash over 34 minutes a game. So much for the BS people say about MDA running his starters into the dirt, but Phil absolutely ran Kobe, Shaq and his key starters to death with the heavy minutes! Luke Walton stayed injured. Rick Fox retired due to injuries. LO was often injured. Trevor Ariza’s injury in 08 cost us in the Finals against the Celtics. Bynum the walking injury report. Gasol was injured in 09-10 and missed 17 games. Matt Barnes was injured under Phil.

            Again, The Lakers in the slower ground and pound offense were much more injured than the MDA uptempo Suns. Again Nash is about 5 year older than Kobe and he did not have a season where he missed over 7 games in a season from 200-2012. Kobe missed over 8 games 5 times during that span.

          • Mark Lopez

            Yea they probably played heavy minutes but how fast of a pace was their offense? It wasn’t fast at all. Oh Steve Nash was playing 34min only? So if he played him say 40+ minutes a game, how much of a difference would that make on a person? That’s a lot of wear and tear. How could you not say that Shaq’s size and Age did not play a roll in his injuries?? No disrespect but I’ve seen a couple of 1 photo of you on facebook to see who I was replying to. (By the way I think you should private some of your settings unless if you purposely wanted pictures to be public) My point is I saw a photo of you as a big guy. No disrespect cause I’m a big guy myself. I’m 28 and I’m starting to have foot and knee problems recently. I play league ball 3 times a week (NCAA clock style 2 halfs, 20 min each). I don’t play a lot of minutes, maybe 15-20 minutes throughout the whole game. It’s not an excuse I’m giving, it’s fact. The wear and tear on a person’s body over a 82-game season with a combination of their height and weight can and will mess up a player pretty bad. Age is always going to be a factor in the game of basketball.

            Also, you can’t really compare Nash and Kobe and their playing times or what not. They are two completely different players with different styles. Nash is not a main scorer, he was always the facilitator. Kobe is a main scorer. Which means Kobe will always be double teamed, hacked when he’s driving down the lane, Jalen Rose’d every now and then. So for you to say that Kobe has more injuries than Nash is completely irrelevant because that’s Kobe being Kobe. I’m sure if Nash had the same style of play as Kobe, he would have more injuries. example: Lebron and D-Wade (both players I dislike) are both aggressive players like Kobe, so their chances of getting injured are increased as well.

            You mention players that have gotten injured over the years with PJAX but they were never that serious. The only serious one was probably Bynum and Rick Fox. Ironically they are both #17. I don’t recall the 1st knee injury with Bynum but the 2nd one I remember Kobe and another player from the opposite team were getting the rebound and they both fell to the ground. Kobe’s momentum caused him to fall back in the direction that Bynum was standing at and banged his knee. That was an unfortunate accident and has nothing to do with the style of play. Those players you mentioned that have gotten injured, it was always one or two maybe 3 players a season over a span of 12 seasons (2000-2012). In MDA’s 2 seasons with the Lakers, STARTING with the
            FIRST season:

            Steve Blake, Dwight Howard, MWP, Kobe, Steve Nash, Jordan Hill, Jodie Meeks, Pau Gasol

            SECOND SEASON:
            Steve Blake, Jordan Farmar, Nick Young, Chris Kaman, Pau Gasol, Kobe, Kent Bazemore, Xavier Henry, Jodie Meeks, Steve Nash

            13 Players getting injured in a span of 2 seasons with MDA. out of those 13 players 5 have been put on the injured list once in each season. (Kobe, Nash, Jodie, Pau, Steve Blake).

            In all honesty, I’d take 2-3 injured players per season in a span of 10 years over 18 players being put on the injured list in 2 seasons.

            Yet again, we strayed away from the point of the video. Without the guidance of Phil Jackson, Kobe and Shaq would not have the rings they got as a duo.

          • Daryl Peek

            Interesting you’d go to FB to search me up? Who goes that far on a blog? WOW!?! I have nothing to hide therefore my privacy settings are what they are. Yes, I’m a big guy (20 years older than your if you age is true) and I’ve played ball all of my life. I’m just now having knee problems. I take the stance I do because the injuries are a case by case thing and the age theme you talk with Shaq was off as previously mentioned.

            The injuries the Lakers have had the last two seasons under MDA are very strange indeed and no one can truly say it’s because of the system. Blake has a history of being injured. Howard came to the Lakers injured. Nash’s injury was before D’Antoni as he broke his leg under Brown in the first game of the season. Hill has an injury history as that is partly what kept him from getting minutes in his career previously. Pau has been breaking down for the last few seasons. One could attribute Kobe, Pau and Metta’s injuries to the wear and tear of playing heavy minutes under Phil over the last few seasons. Farmar, Bazrmore, X and Young could be simply due to being thrust into heavy minutes for the first time this season but Young didn’t really play more minutes than he has in previous seasons of his career.

            We can go back and forth in differing views on the rash of injuries and never come to an agreed upon conclusion. You are right about Phil and the heavy minutes as pertains to the rings. He did the same with the Bulls key players. Keep in mind Phil loved to lean on older players in those situations. My point is simply you have had more injuries with the Lakers VS. The Suns from 04-12 and given the minutes distribution dynamics you cannot truly say which system caused more as most on this sit try to say the uptempo system is the cause.

            Injuries are a part of the game, period. Again, 2010-11 was a horrible season for the Lakers in injuries. Age and weight does matter but the weight is on the player and the age theme, and minutes is on the player and coach together. Kobe chose to play heavy minutes like he did with Phil, Brown and MDA. He would not let them dictate his minutes. He allowed Phil to in only one season, 10-11, Phil’s last one and that was because of coming off an injury in 09-10.

          • PFTB

            Thank u. Some people ignore all natural laws and known facts just to make their argument true. He also is ignoring the fact the Phil’s teams went further every year plus his players were playing year around in playoffs and olympics

          • Daryl Peek

            I’m not ignoring it. The Suns were in the playoffs from 04-12 also not as deep as the Lakers in some seasons but three straight trips to the WCF is not sitting at home resting in April and May. Too many folks try to say a offensive system creates injury. I’m simply offering retort in contrast to that as again, injuries are just a part of heavy physical activity in general. Natural laws of known fact will show any repetitive normal motion can result in injury.

          • Joseph Apohen

            How do you know all these infos? Are you a NBA historian or you keep a scrapbook. I am amazed!

          • Daryl Peek

            NBA historian so to speak.

          • PFTB

            Players can also play more minutes at a slower pace. Simple science will tell u that. Also in Phil’s system u have to count the fact that they weren’t having to run back on defensebas much either or fast break run as much in addition to limited movement on offense rather than everyone just running in circles everywhere setting pretend screens. The triangle meant more standing limited movements off side and used more of the clock which in essence helped rest players during possessions.

          • Daryl Peek

            That said Kobe was much more injured than the 5 years his elder Nash from 04-12?

          • Shannon

            Yeah they were injured a lot and played with/through a lot of their injuries. Especially Kobe.

          • Daryl Peek

            BTW Shaq was 24-31 during his Lakers years so the 32-40 theme is a flat out LIE!

          • Mark Lopez

            You mentioned the specific years of 04-12 for Shaq in your 1st comment, that’s why I gave you the age of 32-40. You didn’t say during his tenure as a Laker. So I wasn’t lying.

            As far as your facebook goes, I only needed to see a photo of you because I didn’t want to be rude and insensitive by saying something like, “You don’t know what it’s like to be big & overweight” but because I found that out by one photo I figured you’d understand.

            *This is going to be my last comment not because I don’t enjoy debating with you but because I have other things to do. Good debate. Have a nice day.

          • Joseph Apohen

            Time management is very important and Phil was great at that, and so is Pop. I don’t think Kobe would have this achilles injury if he was playing under Phil. I think PJ would have opted to save Kobe and sacrifice making the playoff.

          • Daryl Peek

            An Achilles injury is usually the culmination of a careers worth of work load in weakening that muscle. If you notice it always happens in most of your older players with high career usage. Kobe like Dominique, and Isiah Thomas got those injuries in their 30′s.

            Kobe on checking himself into games against the coach “I learned those things from the greats like Magic & MJ. The would check themselves into games and I would do it with Phil also.”

            Phil didn’t truly monitor Kobe’s minutes til his last season as Lakers HC. Prior to that Phil ran Kobe on average of 38-40 MPG. Phil even tried to coax Shaq into playing 48 MPG using Wilt as example as wilt did so one season.

          • Joseph Apohen

            Injuries do not happen to most older players. It happens mostly on older players.

          • Daryl Peek

            ?!? It was just a generalization.

          • PFTB

            Because Nash lived in phoenix where it is a better environment for ones joints. Also why old people move there all the time for retirement. Living by the ocean is terrible on the body

          • Daryl Peek

            WOW! I grew up in San Diego, CA and it can be argued more old people come to this beach town to live out the golden years. Miami is know for the same thing. I can’t believe you went there?

          • Joseph Apohen

            Work the post where Shaq bowled over anybody who got in his way and the refs turned their heads the other way. Phil’s triangle was boring but won championships. I like MDA’S run and gun but he forgot to develop his defense. I guess we can’t have everything.

  • Lakers Fan

    They were clearly playing, was an article really needed?

    • stucktrader

      Love that show… Barkley is much more interesting and doesnt mind being wrong…

      • Lakers Fan

        They are hilarious.

  • Jim213

    Guess the one with Wade don’t count but Kobe wouldn’t have won the first three without Shaq too.

    • lakers_824

      Its vice versa because shaq wouldnt have won either, people really downplay what kobe was doing all these years with shaq, he was putting up MVP type numbers just look at these stats:

      Regular Season
      99-00: 22.5ppg 6.3rpg 4.9apg 1.6spg

      00-01: 28.5ppg 5.9rpg 5.0apg 1.7spg
      01-02: 25.2ppg 5.5rpg 5.5apg 1.5spg
      02-03: 30.0ppg 6.9rpg 5.9apg 2.2spg

      Playoffs
      99-00: 21.1ppg 4.5rpg 4.4apg 1.5spg 1.5bpg

      00-01: 29.4ppg 7.3rpg 6.1apg 1.6spg
      01-02: 26.6ppg 5.8rpg 4.6apg 1.4spg
      02-03: 32.1ppg 5.1rpg 5.2apg 1.2spg

      • stucktrader

        cant argue with that… thus, he was MVP all three runs…

        Kobe was unstoppable though… In the 4th period of some of those games they would let him close it out…

        Shaq would have been incredible if he stayed in shape…

        Got fouled so often, but no one could see the fouls(not call them), as Shaq was so huge, those hard fouls looked ticky-tac to the refs…

    • PFTB

      Shaq wouldn’t have been in Miami without his championship pedigree

      • Jim213

        Disagree, he was the most dominant center then and given Riley’s ties to LA he would’ve still pulled the trigger IMO.

  • Ramon Reyes

    Barkley is just mad cuz he played in an era of Jordan and Olajuwan then tried to join Olajuwan after their to 2 titles, only to fail with pippen, and drexler too… Shaq won one with the Heat…. One could argue that Jordan wouldn’t have won any or as many if it wasn’t for Pippen.

    • Daryl Peek

      Absolutely. Pippen led the Bulls to the ECF without Jordan. Jordan never got that far without Pippen. They both needed each other.

      • stucktrader

        good point.

  • LegendInMyMind

    In his prime, Shaq would have dominated any Center currently in the league. Just like he did back then. But it does take more than just a Center, you need talent everywhere.

    That said, Barkley? Where’s your rings? We know Jordan’s wearing at least one of them…

    • stucktrader

      He didn’t want to foul his buddy MJ when he had the chance…

      That Suns/Bulls series was tied up… and Barkley let MJ get an and-1…

      MJ having 5 would be different… because Magic would have 5 as well… furthermore, Magic in his ROOKIE year… helped LEAD LA to a title… playing out of position… or many positions…

      • http://www.offthebackboard.net/ www.offthebackboard.net

        Actually, KAJ was the MVP of the playoffs that year. He got injured in the Final game, and Magic stepped up….but that was clearly Kareem’s MVP in 1980.

        • stucktrader

          thx backboard…

          i didnt dig deep enough on that info… but yes… KAJ was the man… amazing that a guy like Magic was around to be on that team…

          alas, had Shaq/Kobe work better together… that would have been a true dynasty. However, Kobe/Pau combo was cool pretty cool, though not as dominant.

    • una5hamed

      Defenses have changed dramatically since then. It is very difficult to post up as a center in the league now because defenders are much freer to help. The post game has almost completely disappeared from the NBA because defenses collapse and force so many turnovers down low. Shaq could still dominate any other big, but it would be much more difficult to get the ball to him.

      • LegendInMyMind

        Which is why having a big man who can kick the ball out is of great value. A big man such as Pau Gasol, for instance. Underrated Center. Well, under-appreciated.

        • stucktrader

          true dat brotha…

          This D’antoni hire doesnt work with Pau’s game… Pau would work better with the system Memphis plays right now… or even *gasp* San Antonio… He would thrive under Pop.

          • LegendInMyMind

            Apparently, D’Antoni seems to be of the opinion that he’ll be back for his final guaranteed contract year. Yikes.

  • ranfan

    Neither of them wouldn’t have rings if it wasn’t for phil! (excluding the one with the heat)

    • Daryl Peek

      You can’t say that as they were knocking on the door under Del Harris. I do believe they would not have as many without Phil but they would have won eventually.

      • ranfan

        That’s a good point lol

  • Volmajer Mitja

    Barkley is one of the most jealous MF in “NBA”.
    How many rings does he have?
    Big 0!
    That’s why he’s so bitter.

    • stucktrader

      but sure makes him funny…

  • Daryl Peek

    While Shaq continues to bash Howard, he did have the dominant game Shaq’s been calling for… 27 points 15 boards, 4 blocked shots, and he made his FT down the stretch. Aldridge and Lillard are just gonna be a problem for the Rockets and Wes Mathews is making Harden work! The Blazers are gonna be dangerous in these playoffs if they keep gaining confidence.

    • LakersHeatBeef

      The NBA is still a league that can be dominated by a great big man.Yes Dwight Howard had a good game but man that Aldridge cat is on a whole new level of dominance he broke the Blazers all time playoffs scoring record by dropping in 46 points and he grabbed almost 20 rebounds that’s dominance.Straight beast mode last night for both big men.

      Aldridge is my favorite big man in the NBA he is a Power Forward but he played center in the past now that Lopez is their LA has stepped his game a ton since he has a banger helping him out on defense and on the boards also a screen setter.I actually would love the Lakers to sign LA if at all possible in 2015 free agency.

      The Man is dominant and we could perhaps sign Marc Gasol or Deandre Jordan in 2015 and man would our frontcourt be a million times better than it is now.Oh man can you imagine if we somehow draft Joel Embiid and he pans out and you put Aldridge besides him that would be crazy good.Kevin Love is just a rumor but he also has my respect as a player.

      Both Aldridge and Love are players that will be pursued heavily in 2015 free agency hopefully the Lakers hit a homerun in this upcoming free agency with LeBron and Carmelo but if not 2015 free agency is looking promising tbh.

      • basket of dreams

        I hope you’re not taking the Trail Blazers serious??? HAHAHA honestly you cant take the state of Oregon or any team that resides in seriously! lol

        • LakersHeatBeef

          Nope just taking Aldridge seriously.Blazers have the ceiling of reaching the second round at best,the Spurs will knock them out.But i do think Aldridge is doing work.

      • Daryl Peek

        Right now Al Jefferson is the only true dominant back to the basket, dominant big in the NBA. Aldridge is a quasi stretch who’s developed a post game. Jordan is an athletic dominant big man like Howard defensively but lacks the offensive prowess he does. I’d love to have all of those players you mentioned and we may in fact get one of them but I wont speculate them as our future til it looks like a serious reality.

    • Kookiebuger

      Howard was 9-21(it’s like 43%, awful for a center) from the field plus he looked robotic in the post and 9-17 from the line (for him its good).

      • Daryl Peek

        Looking at the big picture it was a dominate performance. Again, I said Howard will never be the beast that Shaq was but those numbers and total touches were forceful and a serious impact.

      • Daryl Peek

        BTW, Shaq was the man in the playoffs for the Lakers and he averaged 10-20 FG, 7-11 FT, 13 boards, and 2.5 blocked shots on 29 PPG. That’s a stat line pretty much equal to what Howard did last night, and Shaq was finals MVP in that 2002 season.

    • Shannon

      No he didn’t and that’s a prime example of stats being misleading. He was everything but dominant. Now LA was dominant! He was controlling the game.

      • Daryl Peek

        If you remove those numbers the Blazers blow the Rockets out of that game. 9-21 plus all of those FT attempts means he was the focal point of the offense, and 15 rebounds coupled with 4 blocked shots speaks to his defensive dominance in controlling the paint. Aldridge was a monster but when Howard was on him he was slowed at times. Fouls kept Howard from completely dominating that game.

        • Shannon

          Did you not watch the game? That does not mean he was the focal point of
          the offense. The Blazers were down like 13 points and so they hacked
          him to shoot FT’s because he’s a terrible FT shooter. That does not mean
          he was the focal point. Take those away and how many points did he
          have? Most of which did not come off of postups because he barely got
          the ball. 15 REBOUNDS are great but that doesn’t matter when he gives up
          an offensive rebound to Damian Lillard who tipped it to LA to tie up
          the game. LA had 46 points and 18 rebounds, he wasn’t slowed at all. He
          was also in foul trouble and got fouled out so I’m not here for excuses.

          • Daryl Peek

            Howard was 1-6 before they started the hack a Howard. He and harden were the offense and Harden struggled big time going 8-28 and 3-14 in 3pt attempts. As I stated above, Shq won finals MVP in 02 averaging basically the same stat line as Howard’s last night. I’m no Howard fan but you seem to be the one caught up in excuses to discredit that performance.

          • Shannon

            You said his FTA’s prove he was the focal point and that’s not true. Harden was 8 of 28. Parsons and other random players kept them in it. It’s not excuses when it’s fact. His performance was not dominant and unlike Shaq he won’t average that for an entire playoff series.

          • Daryl Peek

            He had 6 FT attempts before hack a Howard. At that pace he would’ve still been in double digit Ft attempts even without the hacking. I said Howard does not posses Shaq’s abilities therefore this was just about the other night and how his numbers were dominant in comparison.

    • Greg

      Dwight shot a terrible percentage to get those points. Not dominant at all. He actually struggled.

      • Daryl Peek

        9-21 is not terrible! It’s only one made shot from 50%.

  • X

    i actually saw the argument nd i agree with Shaq 100% Dwight needs to dominate, of course the nba rules have changed, but Dwight is capable of doing everything shaq has done maybe even better and shaq sees that sadly everyone ignores it. but the only thing i think dwight should work on is…….. ok Shaq made the turnaround dunk known, hes done it throughout his career i think dwight needs to know that its one of shaqs most effective weapon and it helped led them to 3 Rings if dwight was to basically do this the rockets would be a tough team to beat

    • una5hamed

      I think it’s about time for Shaq to give up on Dwight. His purpose all these years has been to push Dwight to be the great player everyone thought he had the potential to be, but all that potential means nothing after ten years in the NBA. He is who he is–very good, but will never be “great.”

    • Shannon

      Well he can’t do what Shaq did because he isn’t nearly as talented. Dwight is stupid and lazy. Shaq we know was lazy but when it was time to go he had the skills and talent to execute. There is no reason Coward shouldn’t be dominating the TrailBlazers.This loser complained about his touches with the Lakers but he kept fumbling the ball and turning it over. Now with the Rockets and during that game they hardly tossed the ball his way. I hope they lose so he can realize what a loser he truly is. 30 million reasons to lose. Complained about us Lakers fans but at least we voted him as an All Star starter. As much as a big baby he is I KNOW he was upset that he wasn’t voted for this past All Star Game. Fuck him.

  • rondo

    Charles where’s your rings? Even Kenny has a ring!

  • Edge

    from a very objective perspective, Shaq wouldn’t have won those rings without Kobe. Although you’d also have to concede to the other side of the coin: Kobe wouldn’t have won those 3 rings without Shaq.

    Shaq won another one with Wade, Kobe won 2 more with Gasol. Needless to say, you need a partner and team full of players that understand their roles to win rings.

    • una5hamed

      Exactly. This whole argument of one player needing another is ridiculous. They both needed guys like Horry, Fox, and Fisher to win those rings, too. Jordan needed Pippen, but those two also needed guys like Horace Grant, Steve Kerr, and Dennis Rodman.

  • http://www.disqus.com/Hold_My_Drink_Bitch R Kelly

    Haha Charles is the reason that shows funny

  • Chonng_li

    it was funny after this argument they played the fight when barkley threw the ball at shaq

  • Smooth Bee

    Shaq won a ring without Kobe. And when Shaq played with Kobe it was his team, the triangle offense fed him not Kobe.

    • Josh

      The triangle offense was designed to feed whoever the defense left open. Kobe and Shaq ran their own offense and decided pre-game who was going to be fed that night. I’d say they both ate pretty well almost every game.

  • Shannon

    Um they were joking and being sarcastic. You all post some dumb shit sometimes just to praise Kobe. It makes me embarrassed to be a Lakers sometimes when you do stupid shit like this.

    • TruthHurts

      nah, man… you the only dumb, you are embarrassing to us.. not sure if you’re really a Lakers Fan, probably just a Hater trolling..

  • Barry Bunes

    I would like to point out to the ringless one that Shaq did win a chapionship with out Kobe

    • Nalin Shukla

      He won a “championship” too without kobe

  • Ballardo Alcaraz

    Social media commentary on TV.

  • Fred Elliott Sr.

    Charles got zero rings and spent the last couple years of his career jumping teams trying to get one. Tyron Lue didn’t exactly earn a ring , but he has one !

  • Guest01

    Charles statement is right in context of ” Shaq wouldn’t have rings if it weren’t for kobe” cause shaq would only have a RING not RINGS without kobe =)

  • Gio Armonia

    shaq got a ring with d-wade

  • Joseph Apohen

    With Charles ciriticizing Shaq about not winning without Kobe, how is this going to affect their relationship as analyst with TNT? Charles is probably right, but what does this have to do with Howard’s unacceptable offense to Shaq? Hopefully Barkley just said this in jest because Kenny and Johnson will not be able to separate the two if they brawl, hopefully in front of the cameras. That should be interesting to watch.

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