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Brandon Jennings Says Kobe Bryant Is ‘Greatest Ever’

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Brandon Jennings is a fan of Kobe Bryant — a big fan at that. The veteran point guard has had no problem expressing his admiration for the five-time NBA champion over the past few years and now he’s given the biggest compliment of all.

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Jennings took to Twitter while watching old footage of Michael Jordan. The California native claims that Jordan had “a lot of help” winning his rings in comparison to Kobe:

Jennings went on to reel off some names of key players surrounding Jordan during his run at six championship rings with the Chicago Bulls:

Jennings has a case making the argument that Jordan had the better supporting cast that helped propel him to six NBA titles while saying Kobe only had Shaquille O’Neal. A few former Lakers like Derek Fisher, Glen Rice, Rick Fox, Robert Horry and Brian Shaw would beg to differ with Jennings’ opinion for the first three titles, but he neglects to mention them.

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Also, there’s few other former Lakers that might perk up after hearing Jennings’ comments on Twitter. Pau Gasol, Metta World Peace, Trevor Ariza and Lamar Odom might have something to say about Jennings giving Kobe the majority of the credit the last two titles won by the Lakers.

The comparison between Kobe and Jordan will go on forever. And unfortunately for die hard Kobe and Jordan fans, LeBron James could continue making a case to jump into the debate with a few more titles of his own.

Although many give the edge to Jordan simply due total of championships won, six to five, Kobe’s resume will always spark debate over who was the greatest between these two.

Regardless of the difference in titles won, Jennings seems convinced:

With two more years left wearing purple and gold, Kobe has an opportunity to equal or surpass Jordan’s total of six rings. Unfortunately, the supporting cast will be Kobe’s biggest problem this time around with a current roster that many feel is mediocre and quite possibly the worst in the Western Conference heading into next season.

If Kobe can rally his troops and put together another title run or two, the future Hall of Famer will have a strong case at gaining ground on Jordan. In the meantime, the debate will go on with Jordan continuing to tilt the scales with a sixth ring weighing heavily in his favor.

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  • Beast

    Veteran point guard talking about Brandon Jennings ? He’s 24 !

    • John M Rodriguez

      Yeah he is 24… and in the league 5 years. That makes him a veteran.

  • Ebony Ivory

    People need to stop saying kobe had these, Jordan had that. One man can never win a title alone. From Bird to Magic, Olajuwon, Duncan, Kobe, etc, they all had their roster and coaching staff. Winning a title takes a team and not by individual alone.

    • Mike

      You are so true. However, some players need many more super stars than others to win. Look at Toronto. They had two super stars and did not win. Wade won with one super star and then won with two super stars plus two additional regular stars. Who is a bigger star Ray Allen or Horry? Meta World Peace or Battier? Bosh or Gasol? Wade or Fisher?

      • gundersonrogers

        Wade or Fisher?

  • Chris Brozik

    Wtf I think they forgot to add a few names to kobeys supporting cast Robert horry glen rice Ron harper Brian shaw Lamar Odom pau gasol Andrew bynum probably missing a few others there’s no doubt its up for debate I personally am a fan of both but the crown goes to mj for the reason he played in an era were NBA players seemed to be a lot tougher and the game was more physical and mentally tough Kobe is a throwback to that era!

    • Brozikmother

      Jordan bulls always had the better team and more help then kobe that is what Jennings means. Jordan era was not athletic and as strong as the post Jordan era.

      • Chris Brozik

        Well than I disagree with Jennings go back and look at the rosters from the lakers early championships meaning the Kobe era Derek fisher rick fox Horace grant Robert horry Ron harper shaq!!! Brian shaw that’s a pretty damn good supporting cast comparable to any that Jordan had. And yes players post Jordan era are more athletic I had the opportunity to watch both eras and players now a days seem soft imagine the pistons bad boys era playing the Miami heat men against boys!

        • gundersonrogers

          Check the win-loss stats.
          After the Bulls won their first three championships, and MJ went off to try baseball, the Bulls won 55 games without Michael, only two less than their previous season with him. Seems MJ made a TWO GAME DIFFERENCE!

      • LegendInMyMind

        Jordan was stronger than Kobe, a better jumper than both he and Lebron, and faster than Lebron. Also Kobe. Are you kidding, lol? Just in terms of athleticism, Jordan would be the greatest of any era.

        • DKWTTY

          Faster than Lebron? Don’t think so.

          • Mark

            Maybe not in the open court but he was a hell of a lot quicker and more agile… he also had better control of the ball than both kobe and lebron because of his massive hands. “Those mitts”, as phil used to say.

          • DKWTTY

            I highly doubt a prime Jordan was faster than a prime Lebron. Watch sports science on Lebron; the man is a freak of nature. The hand size thing is true as well but that wasn’t what was discussed.

          • LegendInMyMind

            You’d be wrong then. Jordan was faster than Lebron. Faster, quicker, better footwork, more of a leaper. In terms of basketball, he was a more athletic player. It ain’t football.

          • DKWTTY

            Kk.

          • LegendInMyMind

            Jordan ran a 4.3, you fucking idiot. He’d leave Lebron in his dust trail.

          • LegendInMyMind

            No, he ran a faster 40.

          • LegendInMyMind

            He ran a faster 40 time, for fuck’s sake…

          • DKWTTY

            Ok.

        • juan gaston

          Sorry but you are wrong jordan was better at attacking the rim and kobe is a way better jump shooter and jordan also had the better team he even had the beast team in nba history going 72-10 in the season and i dont think that today i the nba there is no player better then pippen when it comes to defrnce and disrupting the other teames offence and thats why jordan had a better team but jordan never had a great big man and kobe never had a great point gaurd so it kind of evens out but jordan had the better second oppitin in pippen.

          • Vernon McClain

            So pippen is better as a second option than shaq? Shaq is arguably the best big ever. Pippen is nowhere in the discussion when talking about best ever players.

          • LegendInMyMind

            I’m a Lakers fan, but this is just delusional bullshit. Overrating Pippen so as to overrate Kobe and make excuses for Jordan’s accomplishments? Bull. Shit.

          • LegendInMyMind

            Jordan is considered the greatest defensive shooting guard ever. It’s the tandem of he and Pippen that made them so lethal. Batman & Robin. Jordan’s still Batman.

            Also, I was commenting on Jordan’s leaping ability, sorry for the wording, not his jump shot. And while Kobe has a better stroke from deep, Jordan’s got the edge inside the arch, especially on that turnaround J. And Kobe takes and clanks so many bad shots that his percentages suffer from what they would be if he was a more even tempered decision maker. Jordan knew when to shoot and how to create space better than Kobe, who is also good at it but not AS good.

        • Sane

          Jordan did not have a better jumper than Kobe haha stop it.

          • Gman

            You guys clearly didn’t watch MJ. MJ was a better jump shooter out to 20 feet. Kobe is better at 3s. Mj better inside. MJ was a great defender as well. Kobe was good, not great.

          • Vernon McClain

            Jordan was better at 3

          • LegendInMyMind

            I was referring to his leaping ability, actually.

          • LegendInMyMind

            He could jump higher and further is what I said. D’oy.

      • Vernon McClain

        You crazy. These guys may be a little more athletic but there aren’t as many greats and teams aren’t legendary anymore. You had the suns, lakers, Portland, Boston, Detroit, Chicago, Utah, and so many more legendary teams back then. Besides the spurs, lakers, and the 2000s pistons, there weren’t any after Jordan’s era. That heat team was threw together.

        • LegendInMyMind

          Michael Jordan would be the best all around athlete in today’s game, including Lebron. It’s Lebron strength that impresses people, but he’d rather flop than use it… In terms of basketball prowess, Jordan’s combination of top shelf athleticism with perhaps the most fleshed out skillset ever would make him the best player in today’s game. Easily.

    • joshhh

      i agree the league was much tougher back than kobe has it easy but if u ask ur self the question who now in this era today would be able to be the star they r today meaning would they be thee superstar they r today if they played in the 80′s90′s theres only a few that would still dominate the league if they playedin that era kobe, lebron and Durant that’s about it same goes for Jordan. the best era was the 80′s it had the most talent the most hall famers meaning that there were stars in league as of now more of melos and pauls and duncans

      • Chris Brozik

        Agreed best era was the 80 and early 90s!!

      • WAYNER

        Well actually this is not even Kobe’s era of basketball no more Kobe’s era had way tougher opposition compared to Jordan era, Lebron and Durant era put together, we talking about Kobe 08 going up against the hornets ( 56-26 ) who were coach by Byron <
        Spurs ( 56-26 ) Utah Jazz ( 54-28 ) Houston ( 55-27 ) Phoenix ( 55-27) Mavericks ( 51-31 ) and Denver ( 50-32 )

        Then had to play the Boston Celtics ( 66-16 ) in the championship with elite talent stacked on one team Garnett, Pierce, Rondo, Allen, Kendrick Perkins, Glen Davis, this era is baby dodo compared to Kobe's era and even when he had Shaq they had to go up against Gary Payton, the mavericks, Garnett and them guys, this shows Kobe is on another level compared to Lebron. Lebron would never last in the 80's or 90's, between Durant and Lebron Durant would be the only player who could play in those era's but Lebron hell no, we're talking about a guy 6'8 250 pounds who flops and every time he goes to the basket gets a foul, while Kobe is 6'5 barely 6'6 215 pounds has to earn his fouls and most times ref's don't even give him the call, Kobe
        stuck through 2 rebuilding seasons ask to be traded for a better team but stayed and is sticking it out now.

        • DKWTTY

          Lebron wouldn’t even last in the western conference currently let alone back then.

          • BallPlayer1000

            Stop it. So other players can play in the West now, but Lebron can’t? You sound like a clown. SO Rudy Gay can play in the West, but not Lebron? KD can play int he West, but not Lebron.

            Smh

          • DKWTTY

            What did Rudy Gay accomplish in the WC? I’m confused. Is he some superstar? No. Yeah the MVP Durant can barely get to the Finals with Westbrook and Ibaka. Lebron would NOT keep going to the Finals if he played in the west. You sound like a clown. It’s harder to go against GREAT teams each round than to walk to the Finals playing mediocre teams.

          • BallPlayer1000

            No you sound like a clown. SO according to you only 2 players can last in the west. Kobe and Duncan. But they do not win every year, so who can last in the west? Silly argument to make. I tell you what though…

            Give Lebron those teams they enjoyed because THEY BOTH went to good teams out their respective drafts. Lets see then clown

          • WAYNER

            If Durant switch teams with Lebron, Durant would still be MVP and have 3 rings, Lebron will have none in the west. the east is boo boo compared to the west its like a walk in the park in the east, Lebron will struggle more with cleveland than Miami going against the west, they are younger but have absolutely no defense or a coach that preaches defense, No Pat Riley, Kyrie Irving and Love can shoot but defense wins championships i like Lebron but he couldn’t take the pressure the first time in cleveland or the second time in Miami what makes you think he can handle playing much tougher teams in the west.

          • BallPlayer1000

            You are of by a long shot. First off Durant is not the better player between the 2 so I don’t not get your stance. Durant on any other team he would not succeed because he needs a player like Westbrook to lead the way. If Durant has some success int he West, then Lebron’s success would be greater. Lebron would have won with that 2012 OKC team.

            And if you are comparing this Cavs team to the Heat, then you need to take into account that Irving is better than Chalmers on BOTH ends of the court. I do not get what people see in Chalmers defensively. You talk of his first time in Cleveland, but that team was no where near as good as any of the teams KD has had in OKC, so I can’t even contemplate your debate. No matter what you say the Heat beat the best team in the West TWICE. OKC and the Spurs. That shows me Lebron would have won in the West too. Go back and look at his record vs the West during the 4 years he spent in Miami

          • 111

            i wouldn’t count the Spurs one a win, he got lucky there LBJ really has one ring against OKC tho.

          • BallPlayer1000

            Sorry. a 7 game series is not Luck. If that’s the case I can take away some of everyone’s rings

          • 111

            u tellin me game 6 ray allen didnt hit the most miracle shot in possibly NBA history?

          • BallPlayer1000

            No. Role players have hit clutch shots for stars over and over again. Hodges, Armstrong, Paxson, Kerr, Fisher, Horry… And that’s just recent history.

            7 games is not luck

          • DKWTTY

            I thought you were going to work out fatty.

          • BallPlayer1000

            Clown, don’t worry about me. I go as I please. You need to shed some pounds sitting on here all day. Don’t worry I am about to go hoop. SOmething you know nothing about

          • DKWTTY

            I’m already thin and in shape. Loser. Go hoop wannabe baller. I know more about ball than you ever will wannabe Jordan. No wonder you so mad, not skilled enough for the d-league let alone the NBA? LOL

          • 111

            with 7 games in the heat with one of the most stacked teams ever, game 7 win with LBJ in the heat is definitely LUCK. Then got exposed this YEAR

          • BallPlayer1000

            Luck? In a 7 games series? One of the most stacked teams ever? Based on what? 3 dudes? lol indeed. They were NOT stacked from top to bottom. top 3? they were great. After that? No so much

            I will tell you about luck. Them Spurs hitting all them 3′s. Same team lost in 7 and won in 5 because they couldn’t miss a 3

          • NHT

            Lebron would not keep going to the finals if he was on the west..he had to switch teams to make an impact on the east.. cleveland had 1 good run..but thats it thats all.. ppl in the eastern conference be making it too the playoffs & be below 500..Lebron is a beast I admit it but Kobe Is A BEASTLY ASSASSIN bout to pass jordan on the scoring list.. what does that tell you.. if lebron didn’t go to Miami he would be ringless

          • mike

            I don’t know what you guys are watching.. I started watching basketball since magic and the back to back showtime era..i really thought magic was the best player until he retired and Jordon took over and proved he was the best. But since then the league has gotten a lot better. Everyone can play and from that stand point I have to say Kobe has had better defenders guarding him then Jordon ever did.. Jordon had it way easier with slow and old defenders guarding him.. I’m not saying jordon wasn’t great he was but Kobe’s up there with him.. Another player that I think was great but probably won’t ever get any credit for it is Iverson..for his size he was awesome just never had a good team around him.. That fool would score on anyone at any given time.. So there you go.. The top 4 players of all time..

          • WAYNER

            You think Lebron is better than Durant ? lol, yeah the media controls how you think. so you respect Lebron who is like a player on NBA 2K with all his stats on 99 playing against the bucks and sixers, and

            Durant is like a player
            on 99 going against Nba all star teams with all talent on one team but you think Lebrons better lol okay, which explains why Lebron has 4 MVPS and Durant has 1 and Kobe has 2 if they were in the east they would have 10 MVPS by now my friend. and also Durant doesn’t have Wade and Bosh on his team and if the Heat were so good why didn’t they beat them n this yrs finals ?

            If Lebron could win the west then why did he leave Cleveland the first time? cause it was like playing in the west idiot the teams were tougher and why did he leave Miami this time.

          • BallPlayer1000

            Fam, I do not listen to others to make a decision concerning who is better between the 2. I watch them both and it is a no brainer. First off Lebron plays well vs the West. Prove otherwise. KD is just not better than Lebron.

            And you are off concerning MVP’s. Conference has nothing to do with MVP’s. WHY? Because Nash has 2 and Duncan has 2. BOTH play in the west. When Lebron won 2 of those things he didn’t have Bosh or Wade either. And in OKC Durant had Harden, Westbrook and Ibaka. That’s a squad if I ever saw one. he has had comparable talent to what Lebron had in Miami. Also, you should give better questions. What does him leaving the Cavs have anything to do with the West? Oh are you saying THOSE teams were comparable to those Western teams? hell no. He had no one on those teams so I do not understand how this shows he would not last in the West. No one from the West would have won on those Cavs team either.

            Get your argument together crab

          • WAYNER

            Apparently your a media puppet like i said, if Nash,Duncan, Kobe, Durant only have 1 OR 2 in the west it shows how deep and how competitive the west is and how hard it is to win an MVP when all the talent is out west what are you slow if Lebron was in the west he may get 1 MVP and thats a big if, he is playing elite talent almost every night oppose to playing sorry teams in the east on an every nite basis so of course it will make him look greater than what he is because its easy. when things got tough and competitive in Miami he left

            so if he went out West when almost every team is good how would he get 4 MVPS if he can’t handle the pressure please tell me. you are a Lebron fan and i’m sorry to burst your bubble but he’s over rated.

          • BallPlayer1000

            Wow. No you are the puppet if you think your opinions mean more than my own. They all have one or 2 because they are not better than Lebron period. Now Kobe and Duncan have more rings because they went to better teams out of their respective drafts and had better coaching.

            You saying Lebron would only have 1 in the West means nothing to me because that is a guess just as mine is. Playing against the West night in and out means nothing. They run more and have a more wide open game. WHICH suits Lebron’s game a lot more.

            Overrated? how so? He is better than anyone else int he NBA so he is rated just fine to me. You have burst nothing of the sort, but think as you’d like

          • WAYNER

            Oh yeah ur a Bron Bron nut hugger, the man can’t even finish in the 4th qtr lol when its all said and done Durant will have the better career, Lebron is not even in the same class as Kobe so for you to sit up here and say none of those players are better than Lebron shows your lack of basketball knowledge that you have and every one else on this site knows your wrong because nobody is liking your comments and agree with what your saying.

            and how old are you like 13, 14 i’m curious ?

          • BallPlayer1000

            LOL here we go with the gay analogies. You too? Damn! Can’t finish in the 4th? Well KD has been accused of that as well. Durant will NOT have the better career. Based on what? Scoring? Because, career wise, he beats Lebron in nothing as of yet. NOT even scoring. Lebron has a higher career scoring average.

            Kobe? He is not on Lebron’s level. You give Lebron a PRIME YOUNG SHaq and a HOF coach too early in his career then we can talk. LOL, if I lived for likes I would be lame as you all. WHo cares about likes? I would would rather be right and stand alone than to be wrong amongst the rest of you fools..
            Likes? lol indeed.

            And if you are looking for underage children to be with I suggest you consider your ways. Stop looking for 13,14 year olds and get a woman dude. Smh

          • WAYNER

            So i take it your’e 13 or 14 lol yeah Lebron is what you call living for just the moment and it is good for now but we will see in 2yrs how he can handle the pressure, cause he can’t run no more once the east starting getting tougher lol and he haD a HOF gm Pat Riley with a prime Chris Bosh and lost 2 NBA finals remember ? and you get no likes cause you have no knowledge of the game i get the likes because obviously i know what i’m talking about.

          • BallPlayer1000

            Pal, leave the children alone. I am not 1, 14 so do not come looking for me. I am not living in the moment. You will never even see me add Lebron to my top 10 all-time. kobe either.

            And if we are talking pressure I can point to anyone and say they crumbled. Kobe quit against the Suns in HIS prime. Having a HOF GM is not like having a coach. You should know that because if Riley was the coach the Heat would have played a lot different than they played. ANd only little kids worry about others liking what they say. Men do not care. I love being the outsider.

            Also, me not getting likes on here is a given considering I am not FOR Kobe being better than Lebron

          • WAYNER

            Why haven’t yu told me your age yet buddy i won’t look for you lol but i see your just a kid so i will just let you be and also Kobe hit a game winner against phoenix in the playoffs in his prime do your research buddy he couldn’t pass it to Ray Allen to hit the game winner. so if Riley wasn’t the gm and spol was still coaching you still think they would have won lol your funny.

          • BallPlayer1000

            Man, this is no dating site. I told you I am not 13,14 so I should not be of interest to you. Yeah you won’t look for me. All the pedos say that.

            I have done my research. Damn that game winner. How about 3 shots in the 2nd half when his team needed him? Up 3-1 and Kobe in his prime can’t close the deal. Sad. And kobe had Fisher and Horry to hit clutch shots. What’s the difference?

            And you are off. Listen man. If Riley was the COACH the Heat would have PLAYED differently. Get it now?

          • WAYNER

            When you get some basketball knowledge and some hair under your arms kid then come talk to me.

          • BallPlayer1000

            Man you are sick. Now you like hairy boys? Seek help.

            As far as basketball knowledge why would I return to talk to someone who has displayed NONE?

            smh

          • Uncle Bob

            How does Durant need a player like Westbrook to lead the way? That’s a stupid comment, when Westbrook was out OKC didn’t miss a step and Durant put up huge numbers. Westbrook is a detriment to KD’s game, he’s a ball hog and a terrible playmaker. KD could average 40 if he played with real point guard, yeah, he’s that good. Once all is said and done I believe KD will go down as the GOAT and I’m a Kobe fan.

          • BallPlayer1000

            Durant does need a player like Westbrook. You claim they didn’t miss a beat but they did. Once in the playoffs KD disappeared. And I say he does need a player like Westbrook because it seems Durant is good with him taking lead. And a few players could average 40 if they wanted. As far as KD being the goat…. Hell no. You have to be all time great on BOTH sides of the ball and he ain’t. All the other all time greats started out good on both sides

          • DKWTTY

            Are you retarded? Where did I say that? Oh right, nowhere. Get off Lebron’s dick. The east is as weak as it’s ever been and Lebron got it easy. Fact. He couldn’t win with Wade and Bosh and an army of 3 point shooters two times, what makes you think he’d win in the west with eight legit stacked teams?? He would have lost last year too save for Ray Allen hitting that three and that lockout ring against a young OKC team is nothing. So if he can barely beat those west teams in the finals he’d never survive a multiple challenging rounds in the west year after year. You sound insane, fuck outta here using a weak coach excuse too.

          • BallPlayer1000

            Clown do you even read what you post? You gave the reasons as to why my examples were off. You went to what those players I named accomplished while in the west. I see you don’t even understand the context of what YOU post. Sad.

            And I love how fools say gay stuff just because one does not agree with them. It would seem you are the one loving Kobe a tad bit too much there pal. And let’s see. Barely beat OKC? Check again crab. They beat the Spurs 4-3 and they would have had an easier time vs those other teams as they were NOT on the Spurs level in 2013. You sound like a retard. Idiots like you discount coaching, but that plays a HUGE role. But what am I to expect from Kobe idolaters ?

          • DKWTTY

            DO YOU? Nothing you said made any sense. I didn’t even mention Durant and Duncan as the only ones able to win in the west so again, what are you talking about? YOU mentioned Rudy Gay and Kevin Durant. Not me.

            Gay stuff? Get off someones dick is not a literal phrase, it means stop riding them so hard as if they are incapable of having flaws. Now like the rest of the randoms who can’t argue or hang with us Lakers fans on LN you resort to mentioning Kobe. I didn’t mention his name not once in my response to you. Not once. I didn’t say they barely beat OKC. You need to learn how to read. You’re a full blown retard. First Lebron is GOAT now he had a bad coach so his early years don’t count? What the fuck does that even have to do with the discussion? But logic is foreign to Lebron dick riders. Durant had great coaching? WHERE? You are all over the place making up random irrelevant excuses for your boytoy Lebron.

            No one cares what you have to do fat boy. I’ll be here to respond further to your retarded comments. You’re seriously sitting here arguing that the east isn’t weaker than the west. Moron.

          • BallPlayer1000

            Clown still I see. No you are the one not making any sense. So much the more you can’t even understand the crap you post. Ironic isn’t it?

            Yes, I mentioned Gay and Durant. If you cannot adequately answer what I write leave it alone or continue to make yourself look as foolish as you have been looking thus far.

            Yes, GAY stuff. But you wouldn’t understand because you are probably a fruit anyway.

            I love how fools edit their post and then act like they never said the comment in question. Sad really. Stand by your words little dude. As far as you stating lucky shot and lockout year, well didn’t they all play the same amount of games? I don’t hear you talking about the Lucky shots made by Fisher/Horry and how the Blazers and Kings(twice) were cheated out of beating the Lakers.

            I need you to stay with me. I am trying to help you along as best as I can. I said KOBE AND DUNCAN had great coaching. KD had better teams that what Lebron had previously in Cav land. You read that? If you’s like you can go back up and read my post because I change nothing, unlike some crabs I know(YOU CLOWN).

            And I see you can’t read. I never said anything about conference vs conference. I was simply stating Lebron would be great and dominate against the West too.

          • DKWTTY

            I thought you were leaving?

            It’s funny. You’re so stupid because your comment directly reinforces what I stated. Kevin Durant is THE MVP and still has not won a Finals and has only won the WCF once. That’s how HARD it is and Rudy Gay is irrelevant. So if it’s that hard for Durant why do you think it’d be so easy for Lebron? And I need an answer other than he’s your favorite and you love him.

            You sound ignorance and homophobic. I’m not gay and calling me gay isn’t an insult you caveman.

            I didn’t say only KD or Duncan could survive so stop putting words in my mouth and deflecting.

            I didn’t EDIT my post either so stop lying because you are embarrassed at the foolishness you posted. What did I edit since you claimed I did. What are you talking about? I stand by EVERY SINGLE WORD I POST.

            Well let’s see the Spurs outplayed the Heat and thus it was a lucky shot by Ray Allen, not the same for the Lakers and they didn’t cheat the Kings. I already debunked that bullshit towards one of the other trolls on LN. You are free to go read those comments. Lockout rings don’t count, word to Phil Jackson. I don’t argue with the GOAT. Exactly how many times are you going to bring up irrelevant points to deflect? What does any of that have to do with the original argument?

            Then LEARN HOW TO FORMULATE A SENTENCE CORRECTLY. That STILL has nothing to do with my original comment because I wasn’t the one who mentioned Kobe or Duncan so try something else. You are trying every excuse in the book.

            So basically what I got from your comment was…nothing. You can’t even argue the point because everything I said was fact. The east is weak and Lebron would have significantly harder time in the west and everyone who knows ball would tell you that. You say you didn’t mention conference, well I did MORON, that was the post YOU responded to! You say that then say he’d dominate the west too but can’t even put together a solid argument for why or how. Your post was a fail and a waste of time.

          • BallPlayer1000

            Don’t worry about when I leave. If I do I will still come to address the bull you continue to post. Now then:

            Those reasons you gave as to why Lebron would NOT succeed in the West are still faulty because he is BETTER than both those people. Oh, please do not tell me you think MVP means best player…. hmm…

            And as far as homophobic I am not scared of gays. That’s a made up word. I just call fruits as I see them… Fruit.

            And you ARE saying only Kobe and Duncan can survive because you standard for surviving is what they have won while playing in the West. Can you even keep up with you own posts? It seems you can’t. Feel sorry for you Fruit.

            And fools claima lucky shot FOR Lebron, but will not acknowledge the lucky ones for Kobe and the cheating for Kobe. And 7 games is not luck. How were they dominating? People are so quick to point to one shot like it was worth 50 points. Well what about Lebron’s 3 right before that? What about the entire game before that? Oh yeah Ray Allen had 40 points right? sill indeed!

            And lockout rings do count. Last I checked Jackson’s word mean nothing to the record books concerning the topic. AND I am glad you have called him the GOAT because Lebron never had anything remotely close to a coach of that caliber. Imagine if he did. More than 5 rings I tell you.

            And you are off. You keep saying anyone who knows ball, but they people who played professionally actually DISAGREE with you concerning Lebron’s ability to play in either conference. Hmm, I think I will go with their word over yours. LOL indeed.

            Also, let me help you. When speaking about a hypothetical scenario there really are no stats except for what they do AGAINST the West in real life. The Heat has does well vs the West during Lebron’s tenure there. Other than that it is all opinion so don’t for one second feel as though you have offered something substantial because shit is still shit even on top of your head.

            I hope you do better because everything you have posted thus far has been horrible

          • DKWTTY

            So basically you’re full of shit. Anyway….

            How is it faulty? That didn’t even make sense. The west doesn’t consist of only two people and Lebron is not better than Durant. Now MVP doesn’t mean best players but Lebron fans use that very excuse for why Lebron is better than Kobe. Wow. I’ve heard all the excuses now!

            I’m not gay and you’re homophobic and ignorant. It’s hilarious. You might be downlow with your constant obsession with this gay stuff. Or maybe like I said you’re just a retard and think “get off his dick” is a literal phrase. Poor sight.

            That’s NOT what I said so don’t put words in my mouth. You think that’s what I said OR MEANT. I even EXPLAINED it in my comments but you’re a brain dead in denial down low faggot more concerned with DICK than the actual argument..or maybe you’re borderline illiterate. Which one?

            Nope I won’t because those teams played better than the Heat did. It was lucky. Pop made a dumb decision to sit Duncan and Bosh got the rebound for Ray Allen to hit a three. Luck. They even had the trophy coming out for the Spurs they were THAT CLOSE IDIOT! You mean that isn’t luck? Fuck outta here idiot. You can’t explain how it was cheating either because it wasn’t it. You can’t even debate it. LMAO!!! You sound like a Heat fan so are you going to acknowledge their rigged 2006 ring? Doubt it. So now you’re discrediting Michael Jordan? Bwahahahahha! Damn you Brontards are stupid. It’s embarrassing. 5 more rings my ass. Jordan never lost a Finals and it wasn’t Jackson sitting on the side, it was his talent. Lebron has already lost 3 times. He has more Ls than Ws. So sad.

            Who are these random people? lol. You must have failed in school. You give no references to your outrageous claims. You gotta be brain dead to keep arguing that the east isn’t weaker and that Lebron wouldn’t have a harder time in the west. You’re insane. I didn’t say he couldn’t PLAY in the west dummy. Of course he could but he wouldn’t win as much or go to the Finals as much if he did is what I SAID.

            Your last point is again, retarded. Regular season stats mean nothing dumbass. Playoffs is a multiple round seven game series. The fact that Lebron has 3 loses in the finals and 2 wins is all the stats I need. The fact that every seeded team in the west could beat the top seed in the east is all the stats I NEED. You are a fail.

            Oh and what did I edit? I’m still waiting you liar!

          • BallPlayer1000

            No you are the one full of shit. Hey I have to call a spade a spade. My friend you are full of doo doo.

            Well, I am a Lebron fan and I know for a fact that MVP does not mean best player. I can go to numerous of examples, but you still would not understand. I have heard many DIFFERENT things from you Kobrick idolaters so who knows where you all stand collectively? I sure as hell don’t because you all don’t.

            Fam, again you should refrain from using made up words. I am not afraid of fruits. I just know them when I see them. You are a fruit. Nothing homophobic about calling you what you are. Take a chill pill man. Stop talking about a male’s genitalia because it is not a good look. I know there are some women in your town. Seek one out quickly fam.

            You still do not get it. 7 games is not luck. It has to get to that game 6. It has to get to that last moment. Wait, why was it close BEFORE the Allen shot? Didn’t Lebron hit a 3 right before that shot to make it a 3 point game? Silly fruit you are. I am going off YOUR claim of Allen’s lucky shot winning the series or saving Lebron when I bring up the luck involved for other players. If it is good for Lebron then the luck card is good for anyone because they all reaped the benefits of it. MJ Never lost, kool. Kobe has. Kobe went to a better team out of HS than Lebron did and had better coaching so he SHOULD have more than 5. Lebron would have under the same scenario.

            Clown, stop changing the subject. I never said the East is NOT weaker than the West. I have stated over and over that if you take ONE PLAYER(LEBRON) and put him in the West he would STILL dominate. I hope your remedial, fruity ass can read/understand that now.

            And you are surely funny… SO regular season stats… ACTUAL STATS mean nothing, but your opinion does? BWAHAHAHAHA.

            SO what are you basing your points off of dummy? Because you are not using real stats then it is all opinion and those hole no weight at all. Only to ignorant individuals like yourself they do. And I do not CARE about every team in the west vs east.

            WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MOVING ONE PLAYER TO THE WEST AND HOW HE WOULD FARE… damn. You are slow for real.

          • DKWTTY

            You’re a failed troll who contradicts his own point and you’re full of shit. You’re constipated.

            You’re a Lebrontard? No way! I already knew that idiot. Why are you even on a Lakers fan page THEN? What does that little crackhead rant have to do with anything? Now MVP doesn’t mean best player when you Lebrick dick suckers always claim it is. Once again, not argument from you. Fail.

            You can see me? Word fam? That’s funny because if you could see me you’d have egg all over your face from the stupid names you keep accusing me of. It’s quite funny. It’s not a made up word and you’re a closet case. Next subject.

            You still don’t get it! The Heat DID NOT WIN 7 GAMES so your point is irrelevant. In actual fact the Spurs were up so yes it was luck. Every analyst says so. I remember Lebron bricking a 3. Is that what you’re referring to? I see you Lebrick fans like to rewrite history. Nope it’s not the same. I explained why it wasn’t and you can’t explain why it is. The circumstances of what team they play for has nothing to do with Lebrick LOSING with Bosh and Wade TWICE. Fag. That’s a full squad so stop deflecting.

            I’m not the one changing the subject, you are light in the loafers fruitloop. YOU ARE arguing that the east isn’t weaker. You blind or retarded? You have nothing to substantiate that claim. Lebron would not dominate the west moron and you never once said that. Fail again.

            Yes dummy the Heat playing a west team randomly one time in the regular season IS NOT the same as a seven game series in multiple rounds during the playoffs. That’s not my opinion that’s a FACT. You’re so stupid.

            No we aren’t. If you could read you’d know that. One player moving to another conference does not change the rest of the conference idiot. Lebron would not have an easy time playing the Rockets, Warriors, Trailblazers, Clippers, Thunder, Spurs, Mavericks like he does playing the Nets and Wizards and whatever other scrub east team you can name. THAT IS THE POINT IDIOT! LEARN!

          • BallPlayer1000

            No, history will show you are the contradicting fool. Read above if you can understand your own shit clown.

            And we know you are a Kobetard. Your speech gave you away long ago. Fools like you feel he can do no wrong and that is far from the truth. No where have I ever stated that MVP means best player. Don’t place on me what you argue with others Fruit.

            And it IS a made up word. I am not afraid of you FRUITS. I am glad I can’t see you. Seeing a male who likes males saddens me. I feel sorry for your mother, (still a classic line and it applies here because you being a fruit is sickening to your family).

            And of course the Heat didn’t win 7 games. THEY WON IN 7 GAMES. Keep up fruit. And most analysts don’t call it luck. It went 7 games. Oh now I bet you will have an excuse as to why the Spurs LOST game 7… ok. And you calling me a fag means nothing to me. I don’t care what you homosexuals say concerning your lifestyle choice.

            I see you STILL can’t read. I said Lebron would dominate in the West as he has in the East, but continue to believe as you’d like. I will not address something I am not saying anymore. On to other topics:

            LOL, and the Heat playing a west team TWO times means something. You Kobetards want it both ways. When he loses to a West team in the REG season you holler that he doesn’t have what it takes to beat a west team, but when he wins it is different? lol.

            And The Heat vs any other west team but the Spurs would be a win for the Heat. Your opinion does not outweigh mine. Try again fruit.

            And you are a damn idiot. Put Lebron in the West and he will still dominate. That the point. Stick to it fruit. He is the best player. Take KD off OKC and put Lebron there. They win in 2012, 2013 and Last year.

          • DKWTTY

            Blah blah blah. Whenever a failed troll comes on here and gets their ass handed to them in a debate they resort to the “you’re a Kobetard”. Whatever idiot. You can’t take my insult that I used on you to use on me.

            I’m not even a male idiot so your gay insults like the rest of your argument was a fail. What saddens me is a weak ass supposed to be “man” resorting to homophobic insults because he’s too stupid to use his words like an adult. Your mother should be saddened that she raised a stupid bitch made ass man like you who when losing in an argument has to attacks gay people. You realize how sad and ignorant you sound? You are pathetic. A classic line? You’re a loser. You sound obsessed with gay males. Is there anything you’d like to tell your whore mother? I bet you troll for male trannies you closet case queer.

            Don’t mention seven games then. That again, contradicts your point. The fact that they had to go seven games is a knock on them, not a positive. Fail #58

            I can read and saying Lebron would dominate the west is not a fact, it’s complete and utter bullshit. Fail #59

            Two times is not that same as a seven game multiple round playoffs. WHY CAN’T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IDIOT? No one ever said that about Lebron, stop making shit up. The Lakers beat the Clippers in the regular season so according to your logic they’d dominate in the playoffs against them? LMFAO! Fail #60

            No it would not and once more, you have no facts to substantiate that claim. The Heat would be destroyed in the west.

            Where are the facts that Lebron would dominate the west? I’m still waiting POP-TART you sweet in the middle sweetheart. Look at you unraveling and fuming. You are angry that I dare speak the truth about your boytoy Lebron? Sorry but truth hurts. Lebron is a 3x Finals loser, no title this year, no MVP and ran back to Cleveland to get more superstars. KD>>>Lebron. You’re a fucking moron and I destroyed every single irrelevant argument you mentioned. BYE BITCH! Try harder next time sweetie!

          • BallPlayer1000

            Clown I been called you a kobetard or idolater. Same thing. Stop pumping dudes in their dooky shoots and maybe you can understand what I am typing fruit.

            So now you think you are a female just because the society allows “transgenders”? Lol indeed. Well you still are a man regardless of what society says fruit. I hope you do not have any children because they will be all the way confused by their “father” walking around trying to be a girl because he changed his mind… Sick. Seek help. You getting counseling from me is not enough.

            Dude, I mean current dudette, going 7 games KILLS your stance on luck. You do not luck into winning a 7 game series clown. Try again. No need to expand on that anymore as even a fruit like you should understand.

            LOL, me saying Lebron would dominate the West holds just as much weight as you saying contrary. All guesses. No need to go further. WOW, this is easy. I guess so considering who I am dealing with… lol indeed

            Sweetness me saying Lebron would dominate is an opinion just as you saying he would not. Moving along.

            Give Lebron Harden, Westbrook and Ibaka and I bet he would have won vs KD on the Heat. FACT!

            Lebron is better than KD by a long Shot, but BOTH are better than Kobe and BOTH will end up with better careers. Neither had a PRIME Shaq and/or HOF coaching to guide them to 5 rings.

            (Oh and I know Kobe won 3 with Shaq, but he would not have 5 without him. Phil led him to 5… Coaching fruit)

          • DKWTTY

            You have the maturity of a 5 year old. Do you actually think those lame 1999 jokes or insults are bothering me? Transgender? So I was right, you DO have a thing for male trannies. Thanks for clearing that up. Everyone on here’s knows I’m a woman which is why your typical Lebrontard “you’re gay” responses are funny and a failure at the same time! You sound sick in the head and mentally ill. I pray you don’t breed. You are that passionate about another man but I’m the “fruit” when I’m a woman? You sound very stupid.

            No it doesn’t “dudette”. You are so stupid it’s hilarious. Ray Allen’s shot was luck. FUCK WHATEVER NONSENSE YOU ARE BRINGING UP! IT’S IRRELEVANT! SHUT UP!

            I gave facts, you gave biased fag in love with Lebron opinions. You are a fail. What the fuck did you even just say? Are you high?

            So you think I’m a guy and just called me sweetness. YOU GAY! Nope he wouldn’t because he’d still have to face other west teams before that for many times over the years. Fail again.

            KD the REIGNING MVP>>>Lebron 3x Finals loser.

            I post all facts, and you never once had a solid argument POP-TART! Don’t reply to me again. You’re a waste of time and your whore mother should have swallowed you.

          • BallPlayer1000

            I call it like i see it fruit. You are a drag queen. No I do not have a fascination with you sickos. I just hope you seek treatment or help. I told you if you are born a male you could never be a woman regardless of what society tells you. Get it together.

            Horry had multiple lucky shots that won WHOLE SERIES for the LAkers. Fisher the same. MJ had role players hitting lucky shots too. SO we should discredit the work Kobe and MJ did in those series? Silly Shemale!

            You gave no facts, but you are showing your true faggish color and I do not like it. MAN UP clown. That’s all you have left!!!

            KD >>>>>Kobrick

            Lebron is better than KD. Sorry for you dudette.

            You post nothing but opinions. I told you to leave those butt cracks alone man

          • DKWTTY

            Now I’m a drag queen. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The ONLY constant in your whole moronic hate fueled rants is your passion for gay males. You are a in denial homosexual and that’s completely fine. Accept yourself.

            I destroyed you in this debate, you know it so you are resorting to ad hominem gay slur responses now like a teenage boy. You’re pathetic and I almost feel sorry for you. Your clear anger at your failed hoop dreams is apparent.

            Now all you need to do is accept that Kobe and Kevin Durant>>>Lebrick the 3x Finals loser and 2x bronze medal winner.

          • BallPlayer1000

            Hey, drag queens is what they call men who want to be women and dress like them. Or transgender. Take your pick. Either way you a man trying to be a woman. Sick! Stop playing in dookey shoots and you may see the light. Those fumes are clouding your brain.

            No, you destroyed your OWN self in these debates as I took what you gave and used it against you because you could never formulate a consistent thought. Sad really.

            Hope you get the help you so richly need my friend!

            And No Lebron>>>>KD and Kobe. And please do not bring up the bronze medal. 2004 was right after his rookie year. Kobe was not good enough for even the Lakers roster his rookie year only averaging 7 points, lol.

          • DKWTTY

            YOU JEALOUS THAT I’M A WOMAN? Why would I lie tranny lover? The blood that pours out my vagina every month says otherwise idiot. How about I shove a tampon down your throat so you can shut up for once? That cum in your eyes is clouding your brain because you’re a moron. Get off your knees for once and take that dick out your ass doo-doo panties. Stop buying up all the tampons for your loose anus! How’s your prolapsed ass doing?

            Kobe-FIVE rings
            KD-REIGNING MVP>>>Lebrick the quitter aka 3x Finals LOSER and 2x bronze winning LOSER!!

            You’re a degenerate and people like you are why humanity will forever be repugnant. This will be my last response to you because it’s clear you’re a brain dead Lebrontard lover who can’t accept facts. You’re pathetic, boring, and a loser. Only Lebrontards would be on a Lakers site. Never see us Kobe fans on Lequitters team page. Btw is that you on that dating site? HA! LOSERRR!

          • BallPlayer1000

            LOL, you are NOT a woman. How many times do I need to drill that FACT inside your polluted brain. Again just because society tells you that you can be what you want to be on cloud nine means nothing. You are a man… Through and through. Take the dresses off and behave accordingly bud! LEAVE THE DOODOO SHOOTS ALONEEEEEEE!!!!! Boy Cali has wrecked your brain. I know that is faggy central, but you should WANT to rise from the doldrums and do better.

            Kobe 5 rings because of Team and coaching. Give that to Lebron out of HS and see then.

            KD reigning MVP, but that doesn’t mean he is the better player. Stop trying. you are losing shemale!

            You are a sicko who needs help. Stop sniffing the doodoo from other males and get your mind right. Then maybe you can understand what you are watching concerning basketball. Fruitcake. And yes, plenty of you Kobrick fanboys be ALL over anything written about Lebron

            Dating site? yeah good luck with that fruity pie!!!

          • DKWTTY
          • BallPlayer1000

            One last thing you fruit cake. That’s not me lol. BUT please keep trying. This is hilarious shemale lol

          • DKWTTY

            hahahahaha! The fruitcake downlow boy is in denial and a liar. Typical! It’s okay sweetheart we won’t judge you trolling for MALE trannies online!

          • BallPlayer1000

            Hey, this is funny. Think what you like. BUT hey, why don’t you write him. He may be into guys who dress up as women. Most of them don’t think it is gay to pump you in your behind and play with the gogo that comes out your shoot.

          • DKWTTY

            HIM IS YOU! TRANNY LOVERRRRRRRRRRRRRR!! Put down the Victoria Secrets panties and stop trying to be like ME! Clean your doo doo panties too tranny lover. Your asshole is an EXIT only! Poor things prolapsed huh?

          • BallPlayer1000

            I know you wish I was a tranny lover because you are one, but I do not like you weirdos.

            I feel sorry for you and your family who have to put up with your sicko ways, lol. Seek help. They have counseling for people like you. Until then you are a gogo eating tranny. SMH

          • DKWTTY

            That’s right gurlllll you told me! You better werk Ms. Thang! You so sassy pop-tart! So lonely and sad you got online dating profiles. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

          • BallPlayer1000

            Sad. You even are attempting to sound as a girl.. Sad. Pal, you are a dude. Be what you were born as. Not some bullshit “they” said was ok just to appease your simple minded, sick, self.

            As I said it is no hair off my back because that’s not me, but believe as you’d like. Flood his timeline or however you fags communicate. I could care less.

            But you should write him foreal. He may like that faggy shit shemale

          • DKWTTY

            I literally laughed out loud. You have to be 12 years old or something you’re so damn stupid.

            So if you THINK I’m a gay man YET you are sitting here arguing with me like a woman…what does that make YOU?

            But yassss bitch yasssss you better drag me ol’ fish you so sassy! Let’s VOGUE baby, twirl, twirl, twirl girlfriend!

          • BallPlayer1000

            I hope you are seeking help while you are LOL(ing)

            No, I am not 12, but I am concerned for your wellbeing. Seek help as you are not the shemale they say you can choose to be dude!

            I am talking to you hoping to talk some sense to you. Maybe you will leave that perverse lifestyle alone and be what you were born.. A MALE!

            Sad… just sad. I bet you think that gay shit is amusing, but NORMAL people look at you sickos just as you portray yourselves… Sick indeed.

            Seek help as I can not adequately help you over the internet. They have specialists for this sort of thing my friend

          • DKWTTY

            Come on QUEEN let’s STRIKE A POSE! STRIKE A POSE! VOGUE, VOGUE, VOGUE! I’m a woman but I am fully accepting of your sexuality you ol’ fish! You sound like those deranged Republicans who claim they hate gays but are trolling for bussy in airport bathrooms now stop playing and STRIKE A POSE!! COME ON LET’S VOGUE GURRRL!

          • BallPlayer1000

            Wow… Just sad. Once again, and please ingrain this in your head, YOU ARE NOT A FEMALE> You are a MALE. There, now that we have that out of the way hopefully.

            You need to get a grip and consider your ways and how they are affecting those around you. Stop trying to be something you are not. You are a male… Act like it. All this female bullshit is sickening…. Just wow indeed.

            The sickness has to end somewhere. Why not YOU take the first step to abolishing that crap. Who knows you may help change the lives of others for the better

          • DKWTTY

            So you’re telling a woman online who you DO NOT know that she isn’t a woman? You don’t realize how sick and stupid you sound. You’re doing all this over a ball player who doesn’t know you. You must live a very sad depressing life.You clearly wish Lebron was your boytoy!

            It’s funny because I’m the woman and you’re the hateful homophobic so called man yet you’re the one queening out! YASSSSSSS BITCH! You better tell me girlfriend! Sassy ol’ fish you such a messy little queen!

          • BallPlayer1000

            No, I am telling a MAN online that he is not a woman. Big difference. You are the sick one, but what am I to expect from someone who has a WARPED brain. One who thinks they are the opposite of what they actually are has to be insane. And here you go talking of toys. We KNOW you like them up your arse, but I am trying to help you. I am trying to bring you up from the mud.

            Once again you are NOT a woman. You are a male bud! I am not homophobic as I do not fear you fruits. I just tell you faggys how it is. I know the truth hurts, but it is there for a reason.

            Please stop the gayish behavior MAN. You are better than this pal!

          • BallPlayer1000

            I see your fruity ass be all over trying to find men to poke you in that gay ass of yours. BUT if you think that is me think on. This is a popular name dummy fruitboy

          • Guest

            I shall return for to school you later fruit

          • DKWTTY

            Yeah sure bitch. You said that before. You don’t have an argument. You’re a failure like LeBRICKs season. Crybaby DL homo.

          • sane

            Kobe and Duncan won the West 13 seasons out of the last 16. The West is wayyyyyy tougher than the East. 2000s -2010s west is also way tougher than the 90s east!!

          • BallPlayer1000

            Bruh, the context of the topic was if Lebron would do work in the West. He said no so I asked why then are players who are not as good as Lebron playing well in the West. His response is they have not won anything in the West. SO my response was then the only players able to survive in the West are Duncan and Kobe, YET they do not win every year so I didn’t get his point.

            I was never comparing the conferences, but I WAS stating that Lebron will dominate either conference.

        • Kishan

          well said champ! …. BUT the end was bit false coz Kobe gets lot of calls go his ways in terms of fouls like all Stars in the nba …. but well said

          • WAYNER

            My point is Lebron is 6’8 250 pounds flops and gets calls Kobe doesn’t get as many calls as Lebron thats why Kobe gets techs for cursing out the ref and calling the refs fags if Durant stays in the west he will go through this problem as well because he works hard for his buckets.

          • Kishan

            thats agreeable east is not level to west….. but Lebron is still a beast he wont be bad in West either Lebron has a all round game that not everyone has…Lebron has a explosive game that not everyone has…. Lebron has everything but he’s not a complete player in terms of finishing games and playing the game in a tough manner….. and West teams get fouled more often coz west play fast playing basketball

        • Vernon McClain

          Jordan went against the jazz, pistons, suns with Barkley, spurs with David Robinson, olojuwon’s rockets, drexler’s blazers, larry bird celtics, Knicks led by Ewing, magic and the lakers, and many more great teams and players.

          • Uncle Bob

            They didn’t beat any of those teams at their prime. The 90′s were the weakest decade in NBA history. It’s called expansion, not really surprising.

      • LegendInMyMind

        Jordan played in the 80s. He had nothing around him. “Jordan rules”. He won how many scoring titles in the 80s? Put 63 up on Bird and the Celtics? He could score 100 in today’s league.

        • t

          jordan put up 63… and lost the game and was swept. jordan didn’t out of the 1st round until pippen came along… maybe jordan or kobe could score 100… but i would take magic over either of them.

          • LegendInMyMind

            Then you’d get beaten…by Jordan.

          • t

            maybe in your mind. but in reality, with similar teammates, magic would win. look at the bulls without jordan in 94. they won 55 games (only 2 less than with jordan) and they barely lose to the knicks (who barely lose to the rockets in the finals). they were definite title contenders without jordan. then, look at the lakers without magic in 1992. after magic leads them to a 58 win season and the finals (worthy and scott were not 100% in the finals), the lakers only win 43 and lose in the 1st round without magic… whose more valuable?

      • Louie C Americankingz

        Kobe got a title in 99. He’s in a couple eras. Jordan always had pipen, Kobe always had Phil. But Phil only coached. Plus defense wins titles. Kobe has way better defense than Jordan and kobe has unlimited offensive ability.

    • Mr. Man22

      The most legit and consistant help kobe had winning chamoionships was shaq & horry. Odom, fisher, ariza, ect. Were very inconsistant and most of the time were non existant besides one or two clutch shots and a big game every blue moon and thats being generous. As far as glen rice he played like garbage the entire time he was with the lakers. The stats do not lie so go ahead and look up the stats kobes help had while they were with the lakers. All garbage. Pippen is a hall of famer and was with jordan for every championship. It would be like kobe and shaq never splitting up and playing basically their entire carrers together and if that was the case it would be hard to argue that they wouldnt have had at least six rings. Kobe won three with shaq and two more with average(at best) players around him. Proof is that when those players that were around for the 2 championships after shaq left LA went on to other teams not a single one accomplished anything significant except for horry. We all know what shaq did.

      • Chris Brozik

        Just as incosistent as kukoc longley bill wenington just to name a few but if you look at the way phil Jackson has built his championship teams he’s had his one or 2 stars Jordan and pippen shaq and Kobe or Kobe and pau and he surrounds them with role players guys that can make shots or make plays!

    • FRESH

      Nick Van Exel, Fisher, Eddie Jones, Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Rick Fox, Horace Grant.

    • Mike

      I agree 100%. That’s why I think that today’s super stars couldn’t win in the 80′s and. 90′s. At least Kobe played in the 90′s. Today’s players can’t be touched before a foul is called. They are prima donnas Back in the 80′s and. 90′s players would get body slammed when they went to the rim with just a regular foul called. Now they are suspended. As a matter of fact some of today’s players simply run over other players on their way to the goal with the foul called on the defensive player

  • Henry Martinez

    Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, so let us respect each one opinion. They are both legend and they are both the best basketball player ever.

  • WAYNER

    All i am i going to say is look who Kobe had in 2009-2010 and look who Jordan had when he won his last 2 chips, name one player from that Laker squad in 2009 and 2010 other than Kobe who was or is on the list of 50 greatest players of all time.

    • LegendInMyMind

      The combo of Pau, Odom, and Bynum was the most dominant frontcourt in the entire league at the time, lol… Jordan had Rodman (great defender and rebounder) and Longley in the lane for his final 3. And even on the Bulls, it’s not all about rings. Who were those people without Jordan? Nobody. He gave them a name by averaging 30+ppg, 6+rpg, 5+apg, 2.3spg, 0.8bpg, etc., and pulled down more accolades and awards than I’ve ever seen.

      They didn’t help Jordan’s career, he helped there’s. Once Pippen became something resembling a threat, Jordan was freed up. Pippen only became a threat because everyone keyed on Jordan on every play. This argument is dumb. I love Kobe, but he’s not MJ. Never was, never could have been. He’s got ice water in his veins, but Jordan’s veins are frozen solid.

      • WAYNER

        You are not bout to sit up here and compare Odom, Bynum, & Pau to Jordan, Rodman and Pippen cause if so i am talking to a prolific crack head.

        Pippen is on the list of 50 greatest players all time who led the bulls to the playoffs with a record 55-27 when Jordan retired Pippen same year won nba all defense first team, won MVP in the all star game, and avg 22 pts a game 3 steals and 6 assist Pippen was better than Jordan, Jordan was just more popular and had people hug his ball sack like they do Lebron now, Dennis Rodman had rings before he went to Chicago, now tell me what has Bynum and Odom done as of late to compare to Rodman or even Pippen, nothing.

        • LegendInMyMind

          I’m not making that comparison, I’m comparing Pippen and Rodman to Odom, Bynum, and Pau. If you actually think Kobe is better than Jordan, though, you’re fucking insane. Supporting cast or not. There is no statistical backing to that point. Not to mention you’re dramatically underrating the teams that Kobe has had around him. Pau was the best big man in the game for several years. He’s still arguably the most skilled, all around. Guys like Fisher, Robert Horry, Rick Fox, Ron Artest, Shannon Brown, Trevor Ariza, not even to mention Shaq, who was the alpha dog when he was there.

          Pippen’s all time top 50 because of Jordan, no other reason. If he lead the Bulls during the 80s and 90s, they would not have won anything. Sure, they were a playoff team without Jordan, but with him they were a dynasty. And of the most dominant ever. Kobe’s never dominated on that level. He should have a couple more MVPs that went Steve Nash’s way, sure, but let’s not undervalue Kobe’s help while overvaluing Jordan’s. Kobe, on a team with 3 other hall of famers, including Gary Payton, Karl Malone, and Shaquille O’Neal, along with Horace Grant, got smashed by the Pistons. When Jordan topped that hill, he was king of the mountain.

          Every player needs a good team to win. To say that Jordan won all by his lonesome is dumb. Hell, no one can win a series 1 on 5. Not since the 60s and 70s, at least. But to say that Jordan had more help than Kobe is just asinine. And his offensive stats are just insane, particularly considering the defensive-minded era that he played in, where he became one of the best defensive players ever, certainly the best defensive SG ever. Kobe’s totals, and anyone else’s totals, for that matter, require hundreds of more games and several more years to top. The league made it easier to ‘be like Mike’ in the post-Jordan NBA. That’s what we have today. The modern NBA is Jordan’s legacy.

          All around, Air Jordan is peerless. If you took Lebron’s primacy, put it on Kobe’s frame, and gave that person Larry Bird’s mental toughness, you’d have Jordan. He was the perfect player. In a fantasy draft, if anyone ever selected any other player than MJ #1 knowing what we know now, they’d soon come to regret it.

          • t

            i would choose magic or bird #1. they are team players and easier to build a championship team around. with jordan or kobe, you need the right type of players, the right type of coach, the right type of teams to play against, the right type of officiating, etc.

            i would even probably pick kareem or hakeem over jordan. great centers are very rare. jordan is all time great, but it’s much easier to find an athletic shooting guard who can score and defend, than a 7 foot center who can post, pass, defend, block, hit free throws, etc.

          • LegendInMyMind

            Jordan had a 32-8-8-3-0.8 season. That’s ppg, apg, rpg, spg, and bpg. That’s from the SG position. Magic and Larry needed the right teams too. That’s where the term “building a team around [insert player here]” gets its merit.

            Picking anyone over Jordan with the benefit of hindsight is laughable. You wouldn’t if your job/livelihood were on the line, lol…

    • CCX

      It’s a winning argument, even the MJ fans that cite Shaq for the first 3 Kobe title’s can’t argue against what Kobe singlehandedly did on those those last 2.

      Kobe was doing work on both ends of the court too, while Pippen was defending the Gary Payton’s of the NBA on those Bulls teams, Kobe was having to cross match onto Fish’s guy and cover the Chris Paul’s and the like.

  • Zach

    LOL, Kobe wasn’t even the best player on his OWN team for his first three rings, what a joke!

    • RickFlash

      That’s why they took Shaq out at the end of important close games? The media voted for the MVP, remember, and I will not argue that the media liked Shaq better…

      • Zach

        Kobe was getting outplayed, literally, by Jason Kapono. He was a hindrance in as many games as he helped. A good player but not close to the same level as a Jordan. Norm Nixon is closer to Kobe.

        • jason

          So averaging 30, 6 and 7 is a hindrance to your team? That’s what he averaged in the last 2 finals of the 3 peat. He also averaged 38, 8 and 8 in the WCF vs the nuggets in either 08 or 09, can’t remember which year.

          • Zach

            I notice you skip the first year, when he scored about 15, but that’s what Kobe fans do, skip the facts they don’t like. And Tracy McGrady was better than Kobe, that’s a certainty.

    • LA all Day

      why are you on this site everyday hatin on the lakers?

      • laker72

        thats what im saying.. you would think the lebron app should keep him entertained…

      • DKWTTY

        He’s depressed and has no life. One of his teams got destroyed by the Lakers so he’s still sad. He admitted it. Which is odd because the Lakers last won in 2010 so if he’s still holding onto hurt from over 4 years ago he really needs to find something to do with himself. Perhaps a blow up doll or a mail order bride. Something.

    • DKWTTY

      Shaq had zero competition. Who were the centers Shaq had to play against that are of any relevance? I know the first one he went against in the Finals without Kobe and guess what happened? He got his ass spanked out the Finals. Oh and their playoffs stats say otherwise troll. Go die already.

      • Zach

        Shaq outplayed Rick Smits and Dikembe, which isn’t that impressive until we recall that Kobe got humiliated by Jason Kapono! Hahahaahahaaha!

        • DKWTTY

          Nice deflection away from the argument troll cause you know it’s true. Shaq played against scrubs. Now what are you rambling about? You must be on crack.

        • VillainKing™

          How about Shaq and Kobe one on one who will win??
          lanslide for Kobe for sure..

    • DKWTTY

      Let me answer my own question.

      1995=Hakeem the Dream smashed Shaq’s dumbass out the Finals
      Rik Smits=trash center
      Dikembe Mutombo=old and washed up when played against Shaq
      Kenyon Martin=young and not nearly as big as Shaq to guard him
      2006=ring proven to be rigged for the Heat

  • Boba

    I think the biggest factor in MJs favor is that he never lost a Finals Series

    • Zach

      And had 5 MVPs, shot 50% for his career while Kobe never did it, and also won the finals MVP each time Chicago won. Bryant won the finals MVP less than half the times his team won it all.

      • RickFlash

        There was never a smear campaign or witch-hunt for MJ as there was for Kobe. MVP is part skill/contribution and bigger part popularity contest. Finals MVP voted by the media back then. Will not argue that Shaq was like by the media more. Also, remember this thing called “The Jordan Rules”? Just sayin’ it’s pretty close between the two…

        • Zach

          NOT AT ALL. Kobe and T-Mac are close, but not Kobe and Jordan. One lone MVP for a full season? LOL! Even Nash is better.

          • LA all day

            why are you on this site everyday hatin on the lakers?

          • Zach

            Total respect to the Lakers, but Kobe is a joke. And the ’85 Lakers sweep any of his best teams with total ease.

          • TheMambaBlack

            You sir need to vanish from this site and commenting on basketball altogether. You sound like such a Kobe hater. Any real lover of the game would never bash one of the greatest ever unless you are what YOU are, a hater. So please go to the Heat, I mean Cavs site and pump up LeFlop. Yeah he’s good, but his flopping at his size is a big red mark on his game.

          • Zach

            Don’t cry, Kobe-slurper, it’s okay. We both know no decent person roots for a rapist every year, and that’s you not me!
            And not an LBJ fan here, though he’s clearly much much better than Rape Boy.

          • tailormade

            so now kobe is a joke. and there you have it people. kobe is a joke. the guy that mj even raves about. L O L

          • DKWTTY

            So you’re a liar as well as a butt hurt loser. Just yesterday you said you had a problem with the Lakers for not winning any real titles since 1988 and now you just have a Kobe problem. How about you get a life and stop letting sports control your world faggot? That’s an idea. Or go to a Kobe fansite and troll you lying pathetic piece of shit.

          • tailormade

            which proves my point. steve friggin nash has 2 mvps. and zero rings. what does that tell you? the award is partially a popularity award. we know there were a few years where kobe’s popularity dropped into the toilet(eagle, Co…anyone) lets not play dumb. in addition there were years he could’ve won it and so could shaq. but they gave it to neither and slid duncan the trophy. you know why?”well shaq and kobe split the votes so duncan gets it.” but wait “lebron and dwade never split the votes.” again proves my point.

      • joshhh

        6 mvps

    • StatsAreMeaningLess

      Kobe has 1 more finals appearance under his belt though. 5/7 is quite impressive.. 7/8 conference finals for Kobe. MJ 6/8 conference finals.

      • Zach

        Kobe has two finals MVPs (one of them quite hollow), Shaq has three, and Jordan has six. Bird has two, Magic has three, Olajuwon has two. Any way you slice it, Kobe is not the best ever.

        • RickFlash

          Again, the finals MVP was voted by the media. Shaq would DEFINITELY win a popularity contest against a hard-working, stoic Kobe. Bad basis for judgement of who’s better on its own…

          • Zach

            Come on, Kobe’s verrrrry lucky to have two Finals MVPs, and he was getting outplayed by guys like Jason Kapono. Lame.

          • joshhh

            kobe should have more mvps period 2005 2006 and he should of gotten one wit shaq he should more season mvps

        • J Wayne Maderos

          Like everyone said, the media voted back then….nike was dumping millions into Jordan for media attention…let’s not ALLLLL forget the most important fact about Jordan’s career….yes he was great but league league was RIGGED back then, BADLEY!!!! A league to showcase Jordan in order to grow as a league ….kobe is breaking all of Jordan’s records,

          • Zach

            True, league helped Jordan, but not nearly as much as the rigging of the ’02 and ’10 Laker titles. Remember the 25 FTs they took against Sacramento in ONE quarter in ’02?

          • DKWTTY

            Dumbass Sacramento took way more FT’s than the Lakers in that series and that’s a fact. Over 19 more. You’re one of those retards who reads shit online from other butt hurt fag fans and repeats it and end up looking stupid. The Kings also took 38 FTAs in one game which was more than the Lakers 25. 2010 wasn’t rigged either. Lakers played defense and OUT REBOUNDED the Celtics incredibly. Again, kill yourself.

          • lakersnationbaby

            agree… dudes clearly a hater..probably a hornet fan that still cant get over giving kobe to us for vlade divac hahah

          • DKWTTY

            Notice when he’s given facts that shut down his argument he goes away to troll on another article about something else? Dude is a lame and has no b-ball IQ.

          • t

            agreed the game 6 of the ’02 wcf seemed rigged. throughout the series there were many questionable calls in favor of the lakers. but also remember there were a lot of flops by the kings. shaq is probably the hardest player to officiate… but kobe does get a lot of phantom calls.

            if the ’10 was rigged, then ’08 was definitely rigged. either way the celtics foul too much. it seems the only way they can win is to play very physical and hope the refs don’t see it (or call it). i was surprised they won in 08.

  • Zach

    But if Kobe is the best ever, what does that make Shaq, who was clearly the superior player to Kobe in all three finals wins? Is he the bestest player ever?
    LOL, Kobe’s not even in the top 20 and they should drug-test Jennings.

    • H8ersGonnaH8

      Zach, stop trolling bro. We get it. Kobe ousted your team in the playoffs and ruined your dreams. Get over it. Move on with your life and troll your own team.

      • Zach

        I state facts and dumb people get mad. If another player is the MVP of your team for most of your rings, how does that add up to the ‘best player ever’? We both know it doesn’t even come close.

        • DKWTTY

          Faggot just yesterday you were crying about the lakers stealing your weak teams title hopes away and you STILL aren’t over it. GET. A. LIFE!

          • Zach

            …said the 14-year-old Kobe fan with tears running down his cheeks…LOL!

          • DKWTTY

            You’re the one crying. LMAO! Cry me a river. You’re so embarrassed and ashamed you won’t even said who your team is cause you’ll get clowned even more. 16 titles>>>>your irrelevant team

        • tailormade

          first off MVP is a popularity contest as much as it is a reward for basketball greatness. when you have to choose to vote for the big dominant prime player or the new up coming superstar. its an easy choice. i’ll take mr prime dominant for $500 Alex. in addition the reason mj would always win mvp on his team is because he was the most dominant personality on that team all 6 rings. pippen showed you how good he was when mike left. but pip was passive by nature(jordan once said pip was better then him but he’s such a nice guy it messes with his game). shaq was never playing nice on the court, he was a pure alpha dog from the start to the finish. kobe too. so if you have to choose, you choose the older guy in his prime over the young pump superstar. if kobe played with pip, kukoc, ho grant, rodman, etc kobe would be the same alpha dog that mj was, every single year. and he would have just as many mvp’s as mj with that kind of team back in jordan’s era of winning. i could easily replace mike with kobe and kobe would’ve won every single ring that jordan won with those same teams. i would go out on a limb and say kobe would’ve beat the pistons a year prior because unlike jordan. kobe could always go left and shoot the jumper.

          • Zach

            Well Lakers made that choice and are suffering from it, will be for years. Part of the problem is that Bryant is well past his prime, but he’s also been a guy who’s needed to be carried by better players (like Shaq and Gasol). So hope you’re happy with the choice, but it’s removed LA from playoff contention until Kobe is gone. And you’re delusional about the MJ comparison, completely. Those Bull teams never win a playoff series with Bryant–assuming they made the playoffs. Don’t forget 34-48!

          • lol

            Gasol didnt carry kobe, both shaq and gasol needed kobe as much as kobe needed them

          • Zach

            You might have a point with Gasol, but not even close with Shaq. A dominating big man beats an erratic poor-shooting gunner any day.

          • tailormade

            wait carried by shaq and gasol. by gasol…lol. he wasnt carried by shaq either. they were equals. remember shaq having to sit down late in games at times due his poor ft shooting. who do you think was in the game? you remember shaq “on company time” when he use to be hurt every year and needed to get surgery or handle an injury in the summer. so this means the guy would come back after the season started or come back at half health and have to build his way back up. who do you think carried the team during this time? fisher, fox, horry… lol. KOBE, thats who. stop it zach. you’re sounding silly out here.

          • Zach

            You’re a buffoon to call Kobe and Shaq equals. Look at the 2000 finals when Shaq was scoring 32 a game or so and Kobe had 15, outplayed by Miller and Jackson. Tracy McGrady would have helped these teams to more rings, just a better player. Gasol you might have a point on, but he did outplay Kobe in the 2010 finals when Kobe just collapsed in Game 7 and looked like a scared kid.

    • rob

      so what about kobe and pau? are u going to act like that repeat never existed? when u got teams like lebron. ray allen, chris bosh, d wade repeating. did you see what team he took to the finals those 2 years? holy shit dumbasses

    • rik

      not even top 20 wow thats ridiculous, he’s in the top 10 no matter what you say.

      • joshhh

        if u go down the list for kobe and Jordan compare the stats its not even close kobe stats need be doubled to actually compare him to Jordan except for rings 5 and 6

        • Zach

          Kobe might be a top 10 all-time Laker, but he’s not a Top 10 all-time NBA player. Not even close really.

          • joshhh

            what??? r saying kobe is the greatest laker period everyone knows that even magic said he’s the greatest laker kobe is the greatest laker name me another greater than kobe

          • Zach

            Well Kareem and Magic are givens–clearly both much better in every way, and their teams were better too. Plus Wilt, James Worthy, Jerry West…plenty of better Lakers than Kobrick.

          • La all day

            why are you on this site everyday hatin on the lakers constantly?

          • J Wayne Maderos

            Wow, anyone who would thinks jerry west could compare to kobe needs to go to sleep lol…..kobe would average 50 points a season is he played in the 50′/60′s era….he’d get more then 100 points easy

          • Zach

            NAIVE. League was better then, with far less teams. Think how good each team would be now if there were only 10 teams. Kobe would get cut by the ’65 Lakers.

          • Chanakan

            Kobe is THE #1 Laker with NO doubt. Even Magic Johnson said it himself. For you to say he’s not a top 10 player is just foolishness. Kobe is either #2 or #1 with jordan. The only reason Jordan has better stats is because Kobe was benched and injured so he didn’t play for his first 3 seasons, had a less consistent casting support, had more injuries and his stats stil matched MJ’s? Why are people still even arguing? oh yeah. they are haters and dont know basketball. just like yourself zach. sorry to break it to you :)

          • Zach

            LOL, yep Kobe is the greatest player ever yet was a puny sidekick to a far better player for half his career! Makes no sense and you know it.

          • Chan

            3 years is half a career? sit down bro. you must be a toronto fan. and MVP’s are chosen by popularity. if you think a regular season MVP means something then you must think D. Rose and Allen Iverson must have careers as good as Kobe’s. You’re delusional. Shaq was also sat down in clutch moment and he even said he wouldn’t have won those championships without kobe. I tore your whole world down. Stats, MVPs, whatever it is you lost. You’re just a dumb ass hater bro. Stop wasting your time. Kobe is #1 and you are trying to hate but you dont know shit about basketball lmao

          • Zach

            He played with Shaq for more than 3 years dumbo. Rose and Iverson are both at Kobe’s level, maybe better, NO way Kobe takes that 2001 Sixers team past the first round.
            LOL, you must be 12 or 13? What a joke. Take notes little guy, you might learn a thing or two.

          • tailormade

            hee hee, zach is in rare form today. this guy has lost his mind.

    • RickFlash

      “clearly the superior player” that Phil benched in close, important games? “clearly the superior player” who forced the NBA to change its rules because he was so bad at something (free throws)? “clearly the superior player” who watched the other Lakers take critical shots from the bench when the game counted on it? MVP voted by the media…

    • tailormade

      my man zach at it again. lol. it makes shaq the guy that was in his prime while kobe was growing up. thats it and thats all. jordan came into his prime before pippen, but we saw how good pippen was when jordan took a break. we also saw how good kukoc was when jordan took that time off. it proves our points. MJ’s supporting cast was always better then kobe’s once mj started to win rings. thats an indisputable fact.and lets discuss how dominant shaq was in his prime. he was so dominant he couldnt get to the finals without a superstar perimeter player, not allstar, but superstar. magic had prime penny(pre injury, he was a superstar at the time…shaqs in the finals), dwade in miaim was a superstar at the time, kobe was a superstar when they won the 3 rings. But all kobe needed was an allstar caliber big in gasol. not a superstar. just an allstar. and lets be clear. the hall of fame boston team that we finally beat was better then any team the lakers ever faced(even better then the spurs back in those rivalry days, better then the kings, and we know darn well they were better then the nets or the pacers of those chamionships). kobe still beat them with gasol as his #2. So ask yourself.. if thats the case, How good was prime kobe?

      • Zach

        LOL, Kobe was barely above-average when Shaq carried him to three rings. And Kobe got carrried by Gasol, who was far more important to those two titles than Bryant. Remember 6 for 24? He almost single-handedly cost LA the 2010 title. Never a clutch guy.

        • DKWTTY

          Everyone shot horribly that game. That’s your only argument. Shut the FUCK UP already faggot! God damn you’re annoying. We already know you’re a stupid troll but that comment there solidifies it. If you think Gasol was better you’re god damn full blown retard. Your parents must be siblings you inbred hack piece of shit. Your life consists of sitting online hating on a man who made it to a league that few make it to and has been highly successful at it. What have you done with your life? Do you lay down to sleep at night thinking “yeah this is the life”? What a sad existence. You’re fucking pathetic. LOSER!

  • ghost

    Jennings words is the next prove why Kobe is most overrated player in the league. MJ bigger help? This man put kerr and paxon and didn’t put gasol, all howards malone, mwps, odoms, bynums, nash, fisher, horry and others. Kobe is most lucky superstar ever, for almost half of his career was not even greatest player on his team, but he is goat? Jennings is completely troll.
    And all this is even don’t touch that Jordan was much more productive player on the court.

    • joshhh

      no one will pass Jordan ever and this is why 6 for 6 for 6 all the great players magic,bird etc.. all lost in the finals at least once Jordan won 2 3peats 6 nba finals mvp 6 rings no one will ever do that. that’s what makes him the greatest and that’s playing in toughest era he went through those bad boy pistons he never let it get to game 7

      • t

        … but jordan only got to 6 finals. magic played for 12 years and was in the finals 9 out of the 12 years… and in 3 out of the 4 finals that he lost, there were key injuries…

    • monster

      Malone, mwp, payton and that team was at the end of their careers. Odom wasn’t much before LAL and was only good off the bench? NASH u serious? LOL… fisher not evne an all star.. neither is horry good role players. only true stars kobe ever had was shaq and gasol in their primes.. and “bynum” barely

      • ghost

        If Jennings listed Harper, Kerr, Paxson, Armstrong, Grant then players i’ve listed should also be listed.

        And Shaq and Gasol for almost the whole career are definiately enough to consider it all-time great support.

    • DKWTTY

      Are you retarded? Half of those people weren’t on the team when they won titles retard. Most of those guys you named were either old and injured when they played with Kobe anyway. Fuck outta here.

      • ghost

        So what? Is it my fault that Kobe barely had playoffs with Gasol, Howard and Nash? Rofl. Some of these players were better even at old than some players BJ listed.

        • DKWTTY

          Are you ghost? Way to out yourself moron. You’re so fucking pathetic you’ve resorted to trolling under two names? Wow. LOSERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!! So it’s not your fault(stupid comment) but it’s Kobe’s fault that a TEAM didn’t make the playoffs? Despite the fact that it WAS Kobe who got them to the playoffs? Are you a fag? Did Kobe deny your advances or something? You sure are passionate about him. Pau didn’t get to the playoffs leading this year. Where are all your retarded comments for that?

          • ghost

            What’s your problem kid? Both my posts i’ve writen as a ghost, maybe you should wear glasses?! “Despite the fact that it WAS Kobe who got them to the playoffs?” haha, especially playing 0 defense all the season, when their defense was their biggest problem. Or maybe by monopolizing offensive game for half a season? As I see you’re the next Kobe fanboy who can’t accept any criticism about him and have to insults other. Let grow up.

          • DKWTTY

            Nope it’s showing up as Zach and ghost. Maybe I need to refresh the page but either way I’m convinced it’s the same person. How was Kobe playing no defense when he had to guard quick PG’s who were 10+years younger that even MJ had to make mention of it? Your comment, like you, is retarded. Kobe was playing the entire game to get to the playoffs and you’re going to point out some random bullshit that doesn’t even argue the point? You’re an idiot. No FAGGOT I accept actual criticism and not made up bullshit from butt hurt fags who troll sports websites because their life is horrible and miserable. WHERE’S THE CRITICISM? Argue that he didn’t take them to the playoffs. I’ll wait.

          • ghost

            No it’s not, let refresh the site. I was talking about his team defense, he became completely lazy on help defense and didn’t care about it. That’s a strong reason why we were so awful in defense. Don’t get me wrong, Kobe was playing well, but only on offense (usually, because as always there were a lot of off-shooting nights) and it should be known by any laker fan. It’s not a hating, it was widely visible in his and team stats and on the court.

          • DKWTTY

            You said Kobe playing no defense when their defense was the biggest problem. Don’t play with me. Yes Kobe alone was the reason. Kobe also caused 9/11, the riots in Ferguson, Ebola. Everything is Kobe’s fault. Let’s forget that Nash was injured and useless, Dwight was coming off of injury and basically useless, Metta was useless and Pau was basically useless because he had to make way for Dwight. Excuse him for having to change up entire styles of play to try and make it work so the team could make it to the playoffs, via playing PG, guarding PG’s because Nash couldn’t do it or playing entire 48 minutes. Those are the facts. He got them to the playoffs. What you said is irrelevant to my point and what I SAID.

          • ghost

            I didn’t forget other reasons. Problems is that his fans are telling untruth that Kobe got them to playoffs, when if we look at his ignorance on defense it’s just completely wrong to say those things.
            Overall people can’t get a right conclusion. I mean our barely playoffs were completely fail with this team so telling “he lead us to PO” is completely nonsense, because we should talk “we completely failed by taking 8th seed and get swept”. And you’re right we failed because of many reasons, but Kobe’s ignorance with all sure was one of them no matter how his fans don’t like it.

          • DKWTTY

            I’m STILL waiting on you to say how it’s an untruth. Where are the facts? You single out Kobe then say you said team defense so which is it? Kobe “ignorance” on defense or the team defense? Is English not your first language? I don’t understand your weird phrasing of words.

            W don’t have to say that because that’s obvious that it was a failure year! Duh! However I didn’t see any other player on that team playing through injury and playing the entire 48 minutes and refusal to acknowledge that is ignorance on your part. Yes we got swept and did Kobe play any one of those playoffs games? NO! Not one. So where is your criticism for Dwight or Pau? Or is Kobe ignorance on defense the reason they got swept DESPITE the fact that he didn’t play? People like you just love to blame Kobe for everything despite every single shred of evidence saying otherwise.

          • ghost

            Have you watched any games in that season, any articles or stats? There are proves. – ignorance on defense is the same here- i mean fact that he is lazy on defense so he ignores this end of the court by playing 0 help. Yup, english is not my first language.
            I said already I don’t blame Kobe for everthing, but he was one of the (!) reasons why we have failed so strong. So i won’t agree with statement that he “get us to playoffs”.

          • DKWTTY

            Sorry but your English is horrible. I can’t read that gibberish and it doesn’t help that the point you are trying to make you cannot prove with any stats. Don’t reply to me.

          • ghost

            Yup sorry, even I do not understand it now :)) There were a lot of articles in that season about his defense, everyone who wanted to see it knows it.

  • Matt Andrews

    The way I like to think about it is if you were drafting for a new franchise from any player ever in their prime, regardless of what they did or didn’t win who would you take? And even as a Lakers fan and a Kobe fan I’m not sure I could justify him over MJ. To be honest, I’m not certain I’d put him top if I wasn’t allowed Jordan, so no I can’t call him the greatest.

    • Zach

      I wouldn’t put Kobe in my top 50 if I were building a new team. Not a good team player and went 34-48 in his one big year without major support. Plus 6 for 24 in his only finals Game 7? Ugly. Even James Worthy would be a better pick.

      • Matt Andrews

        Fair point, I do think he has a lot of talent and if you put him in the right situation he’s one of the best in the game, but yeah if you weren’t planning to build your team around him then you probably wouldn’t want him in it.

      • DKWTTY

        But you don’t have a team and you aren’t a good judge of talent so shut the fuck up lame ass fag.

  • Zach

    Do you take Prime Nash or Prime Kobe? I’d take Nash, given his two MVPs and knack for better team play.

    • LA all day

      why are you on this site everyday hatin on the lakers?

      • Zach

        Not the case! I’m here to illuminate ignorant fans. You should be thanking me.

        • LA ALL DAY

          your here to de-mean Kobe on a LAKERS site. Your the ignorant one. Why don’t you try other teams/sites? I’m only thanking you for the laughter im getting attempting to troll. Obviously you don’t think Kobe is a good player, your opinions don’t matter though your not even an NBA player. NBA players all around the league, even other legends and even GOAT(Michael jordan) says kobe is great!

          • Zach

            You’re forgetting that Jordan is a disgrace as a talent evaluator. He thinks Kwame Brown is great too, remember? Actually hurts Kobe’s image badly to have Jordan call him talented.

          • LA all day

            thats fine, thats not the only reason KWAME brown got drafted 1st round 1st pick. Obviously other ppl in the lakers org made the same mistake. Still there are videos and quotes of other NBA players that played with/against kobe that can vouche for him.

          • Zach

            And they’re as entitled to an opinion as I am. But I know the game better and am smarter. Let’s face it, keeping it real, most pro athletes aren’t that bright.

          • LA ALL DAY

            on the court they are more bright than you and definitely more experienced in the game of bball! you’re right you are entitled to your opinion, dont try to claim it a “fact” tho. Although I enjoy your controversy, I would like to state that everyone judges skills and being the “best’ in different ways. Its a never ending debate! IMO i judge by pure skills, and MJ and KOBE had similar skillsets. I was an MJ fan younger but now its kobe.. closest to MJ!

          • Zach

            Not true, I could outcoach just about any of these guys. I’ve played a lot, put my brain into Dwight Howard he averages 35/20. McGrady and plenty of other guys have been like Mike too, just more efficiently. Heck, even Drexler was better than Kobe. I wish we could back in time and have him spend his career with Charlotte, would never have won a playofff series.

          • LA ALL DAY

            maybe you shoulda entered the NBA then, talk is cheap. Kobe already carried the lakers to the playoffs i forget if it was 06 but he and a bunch of scrubs almost beat a talented suns team. kobe isnt GOAT but hes defintely in the top 10. if you claim he isnt in the top 15 at LEAST you are definitely blind by hate.

    • joshhh

      ur a retard no one knows kobe and jordaan better than phil u obviously didn’t watch that video where phil picks Jordan over kobe LeBron over Durant etc.. so if phil says Jordan than its Jordan period its that simple

    • andy

      Nash is the downgrade of MVP. He has no ring not even in NBA final.

      • Zach

        Sure, but if Kobe had stayed in Charlotte he’d never even had won a playoff series. We all know that.

    • nash screwed the lakers

      Alright fuck this.

      Prime Nash or Prime Kobe? Wow did you even just said that? What planet are you from?

      I would assume you are some kind of troll trying to get your 15 minutes of fame on this thread.

      Fuck no, don’t even make me start. FUCK NASH

      • Zach

        Dry your tears little guy, it’s a free country and we all deserve an opinion. I think the guy with two MVPs is better, you think it’s the guy with one MVP. You probably flunked math though.

    • DKWTTY

      Kobe five rings vs Nash no rings. Hmmmm yeah you’re a special brand of stupid. Your whore mother must have drank or your father is her brother. Which one? Inbred white trash hick.

  • Zimmeredge

    Ok for pippen Dennis and kukoc rest are just insane players just like what Kobe had.
    Kobe-shaq but Fox, hurry, Fisher, shaw as the supporting cast.
    But he had a great unit too for his b2b like odom, Bynum, ariza/mwp, gasol those guys are meant to be hof players (except Bynum and ariza)
    It’s neck and neck imo but still Mj is the best ever all around… Offensively Kobe is intouchable.

  • thisstinksagain!!

    IMHO it was an era void of dominant big men except for Olajuwan who was in the west and therefore rarely faced. I know people will be quick to point out Ewing but he was overrated as supported by his 0 titles! I’d go with 1a and 1b knowing both had immense skill and killer instinct, with both having good running mates (slight advantage to Jordan for having Pippen his whole career who is one of the 50 greatest players). One undisputable fact…Kobe’s era contained a much higher % of athletic players because of training. as for the hand checking argument, overrated, like Kobe couldn’t adapt.

  • DKWTTY

    He’s entitled to his opinion but good lawd he’s about to start some shit.

  • Zach

    I am a complete idiot.

    • Zach

      You must be a big Kobe fan!!!

  • LegendInMyMind

    Jordan gave people their names, they didn’t give him his… There’s nothing Kobe’s done that Jordan didn’t do in a more impressive way or more of. Greatest scorer ever, one of the greatest defenders ever, Kobe can’t claim either of those. MJ was the most dominant force that basketball has ever seen. That’s not just because of rings and MVPs, btw. That’s his ability to command both his team and the other team at will. People say “who was Jordan without Pippen?” Uh, the guy the Pistons created a defensive strategy for consisting of what would be flagrant fouls in today’s game…

    Who was Pippen…without Jordan? Who were any of those players without with the GOAT on their team? “Kobe had Shaq”. Oh really, he had arguably the greatest Center ever? [sarcasm] That’s all? He also had Robert Horry, Rick Fox, and Derek Fisher. Then he had Karl Malone and Gary Payton added to that. And Horace Grant, actually. They got beat by the Pistons! Then he, later on, with Pau and Bynum and Odom, the most potent frontcourt in the league, Kobe got a couple more rings out of three tries. Cemented his legacy, certainly. Sure as shit doesn’t make him the greatest. That’s just laughable. He’s not even 2nd best… And I’m a Kobe fan. I’m also realistic.

    • jaybee32

      Pippen without jordan, and the bulls still make it to the Eastern Confrence Finals, that is proof that jordan had championship caliber team. Lakers without kobe, they dont even make the playoffs or get past the 1st round.

      • LegendInMyMind

        They do with Shaq. Jordan having a better team for SOME of his championships does not at all mean that Kobe is a better player. Just asinine logic.

  • BallPlayer1000

    Brandon… Stop it. Kobe is not even the GLOAT(Greatest Laker of All-Time)

    He is not even top 10 all-time( MJ, Russell, Kareem, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Oscar, Duncan, Hakeem, Shaq)

    Mj himself said Kobe was a top 10 Shooting Guard of alltime… Not top 10 overall, but SG, lol

    • lol

      kobe>magic,oscar,duncan

      • BallPlayer1000

        LOL no

        • lol

          lol and why not? everyone has taken skills from players before them. kobe just decided to take MJs. u make it sound like theres gonna be 1000 originals. theres only so many moves. and Kobe has possibly better footwork then jordan, but jordan is still superior overall

    • Kb24

      Lol, barkley said kobe is forever top-10 all time, you are worse than barkey, anyway kobe deserves more mvp awards than he has right now and lbj gets mvp awards more than he should have had

      • BallPlayer1000

        Ok, Barkley said, Cool. Others say different, but I will acknowledge that most have him there. These are subjective lists. Just because Barkley says one thing doesn’t mean I have to agree. I am sure you do not agree with everything people say even if they are former pros.

        I think Lebron should have one more MVP and I think Kobe should have 2 more MVP’s

  • lol

    Can we all just agree that KOBE > LBJ

    • Zach

      Nah, ’cause LBJ has four MVPs to only one for Kobrick. Not even close.

      • lol

        okay well then bill russell has 11 rings, hes the best nba player ever. no one will catch him.

        • Zach

          I’m okay with that. We’re agreed then.

          • lol

            finally!

  • numb1lakefan

    i agree with jennings ive watched kobe way back when he was air balling and the crowd would hold thier breath but he kept shooting anyways right then and there i knew kobe was something special*****

  • numb1lakefan

    the legendary masked kobe
    and achilles kobe hands down my all time favorite kobe personas

  • They call me Pringles

    I think that was a little biased. MJ indeed had Pippen, Rodman, Harper, Grant, Kerr, Kukoc, Paxson & Armstrong.

    But Kobe played with MDE, Payton, Malone, Harper, Grant, Fisher, Shaw,
    Salley, Green, Rice, Fox, Horry, Odom, Gasol, Bynum, Ariza, Artest.

    Kobe had less help? Mitch Kupchack has gotten him the best help possible,
    acquiring Playoff experienced players, former champs, hall of famers,
    All Stars and great role players that would fit well within the triangle
    offense.

    I like Kobe, but I have to say MJ is still the greatest. Two back2back three-peats in a span of 8 years? Come on. Many forgot what he went through to get there, having to face hall of famers such as the Celtics Bird & McHale. Pistons against the badboys. Knicks against Ewing & Starks, Indiana against MIller, Davis & Smits, Orlando against the MDE, Hardaway, Scott, Shaw, Anderson, Grant & Armstrong. Jazz against Malone, Hornacek Russell & Stockton. Supersonics against Kemp, Payton, McMillan, Hawkins & Schrempf. Lakers against Magic, Divac, Green, Perkins, Scott, Thompson & Worthy. Phoenix versus Barkley, Ainge, Ceballos, K. Johnson, Majerle, Rambis & West. Trailblazers versus Ainge, Duckworth, Kersey, Drexler, Porter & Robinson.

    Who did Kobe have to face? I see four teams which gave the Lakers a tough fight throughout the Championship years. The Spurs, Kings, Blazers & Celtics.

  • Wyatt Lowther

    why is Brandon Jennings drinking?

    • asdaf

      ur mom’s breastmilk

  • DPARK

    If Kobe (the chicken) came first, and Jordan (the egg) came second, who would be the greatest?

  • James Alverad

    I agree Jordan had a better supporting cast for all of his 6
    rings than Kobe. I think Kobe had at least 3 titles rings with great supporting
    cast at least 2 of them with Shaq not all 3 titles with Shaq had great
    supporting cast behind them it was just 1-2 punch Shaq and Kobe. But it’s
    always has to be team effort all 12 players. But I agree with supporting cast and
    will give the edge to Jordan 100% to 75%.

    • vdogg

      kobe is the player that put the three-peat team over the top. remember, shaq was dominant when he arrived in LA, having already taken the magic to the finals. the lakers didn’t start winning titles until KOBE came into his own and not before.

  • fdasf

    im a koben fan, but the greatest basketball player of all time is JORDAN. again THE GREATEST BSKETBALL PLAYER OF ALL TIME is MICHAEL JEFFREY JORDAN

  • Gregory Gaylen

    As smalls go, Kobe and MJ are the best… but the GOAT is Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (period)

  • KB

    Counting rings isn’t the sole declaration of greatness…if that’s true, there are several players with more rings than either of them…one being Horry.

  • CORKY CARROLL

    Kobe vs Jordan, Magic vs Bird …….. apples and oranges. These guys are all GREATS, but for yet one more dog day August afternoon I guess a “whose best” debate is as good as anything. It is refreshing to see that one Kobe/Lakers basher who seems to be here all the time doing his best HATE is not involved in this one. Through all of this do you know who I really miss….. Chick Hearn. That dude could make you root your heart out for the worst scrub in the world as long as he was in a Lakers uniform. That guy was the best at what he did.

  • Mark

    Dude im a die hard lakers fan but brandon jennings is a freaking idiot. Talented basketball player, a millionaire… but an idiot haha.

  • Lakerfan714

    BRANDON JENNINGS SUX!!!! He’s just trying to salvage his brand. Isnt this the same punk ass who threw a hissy fit about Kobe wanting to play in the Drew League & the same ass hat that wore a “nobody likes a snake” shirt with Kobes logo on it???

  • Bruce Leroy

    THIS ENTIRE DEBATE IS MOOT in that it doesn’t matter who’s better. The primary thing that Kobe fans should be arguing is that the difference between the two is negligible. Michael is always touted as the GOAT, but honestly, the difference between him and Kobe — in skill, style and success — is slim to none. Both had a couple of HOFers supporting them at one point or another, both were good on both sides of the ball, both had global impact. There’s no way to prove who the GOAT is, but we should agree that if (and frankly, that’s still a big “if”) it’s between these two, it’s a toss-up.

  • Chris Brozik

    I love it when sports discussions get personal Lol! Wtf people

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